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I am proud to be a northerner
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I'm proud to be an AMERICAN
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Im proud to be an open minded free thinking human being who knows that love is the answer
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Im proud to be an open minded free thinking human being who knows that love is the answer PERFECT! |
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Edited by
Unknow
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Mon 11/10/08 03:53 AM
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I will acknowledge your attempt to insult me with a reference to Michael Moore, I don't find Mr. Moore offensive and I believe I lean on common sense to guide my opinions. Please look around. The truly poor don't have those things as Winx said and the middle class owes credit card companies out the wazhoo for them. And, the upper class either owns the manufacturing, sale, or financing, etc. of them. Our elderly are out living the meager money they have managed to save, or more often comes from the sale of the family home.
Your personal experience may have been better than that, but the figures you quote don't mean a whole lot to the average American. The average American family has approx. $8000 in credit card debt. That does not include a house payment, car payment, medical expenses. Those of us who are affected by this have to wake up from false sense of prosperity. That's the only way the economy can survive, in my opinion. Have a pleasant evening, Nan http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/ (among many others) I don't find Michael Moore offensive. He's not stupid either but he makes money off of people who are naive and easily led astray. Are you honestly trying to tell me that credit card debt was forced upon people? I work with poor and homeless people every month. The main factors keeping people from rising above their situations are usually drugs and criminal behavior. I have met hundreds of people in S. Florida who have literally walked ashore here from another country, then worked as taxi drivers, dishwashers, or some type of laborers and within one year been able to have bought nice cars and establish themselves in this country. Many bought homes in just a few years. The answer to their problems was work and common sense. Oh, and many of the successful had a STRONG belief in God, even when they had nothing. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Mon 11/10/08 07:54 AM
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I will acknowledge your attempt to insult me with a reference to Michael Moore, I don't find Mr. Moore offensive and I believe I lean on common sense to guide my opinions. Please look around. The truly poor don't have those things as Winx said and the middle class owes credit card companies out the wazhoo for them. And, the upper class either owns the manufacturing, sale, or financing, etc. of them. Our elderly are out living the meager money they have managed to save, or more often comes from the sale of the family home.
Your personal experience may have been better than that, but the figures you quote don't mean a whole lot to the average American. The average American family has approx. $8000 in credit card debt. That does not include a house payment, car payment, medical expenses. Those of us who are affected by this have to wake up from false sense of prosperity. That's the only way the economy can survive, in my opinion. Have a pleasant evening, Nan http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/ (among many others) I don't find Michael Moore offensive. He's not stupid either but he makes money off of people who are naive and easily led astray. Are you honestly trying to tell me that credit card debt was forced upon people? I work with poor and homeless people every month. The main factors keeping people from rising above their situations are usually drugs and criminal behavior. I have met hundreds of people in S. Florida who have literally walked ashore here from another country, then worked as taxi drivers, dishwashers, or some type of laborers and within one year been able to have bought nice cars and establish themselves in this country. Many bought homes in just a few years. The answer to their problems was work and common sense. Oh, and many of the successful had a STRONG belief in God, even when they had nothing. Can we please mention two other main factors that keep people from rising above their situations? Mental illness and disabilities. It's great that you have met people that have done so well. I have someone clean my house on occasion. She has rheumatoid arthritis and is on SSI. She supplements her income by cleaning when she is able. She doesn't have a car and just had her gas off for two months. Some weeks she runs out of money for food. And she has a teenager to support. I also know another person that I have hired to paint. He also is a cook at TGIF's. His family lives in 3 rooms and that causes them to having no living room. They have two rooms of beds and a kitchen. He did buy a $200 car and a second hand TV. I have had mentally ill patients that can't afford to live on their own. I know elderly people that have to give up food to buy their meds and don't use their electric and gas when needed. I could go on. |
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Edited by
Unknow
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Mon 11/10/08 12:26 PM
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I will acknowledge your attempt to insult me with a reference to Michael Moore, I don't find Mr. Moore offensive and I believe I lean on common sense to guide my opinions. Please look around. The truly poor don't have those things as Winx said and the middle class owes credit card companies out the wazhoo for them. And, the upper class either owns the manufacturing, sale, or financing, etc. of them. Our elderly are out living the meager money they have managed to save, or more often comes from the sale of the family home.
Your personal experience may have been better than that, but the figures you quote don't mean a whole lot to the average American. The average American family has approx. $8000 in credit card debt. That does not include a house payment, car payment, medical expenses. Those of us who are affected by this have to wake up from false sense of prosperity. That's the only way the economy can survive, in my opinion. Have a pleasant evening, Nan http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/ (among many others) I don't find Michael Moore offensive. He's not stupid either but he makes money off of people who are naive and easily led astray. Are you honestly trying to tell me that credit card debt was forced upon people? I work with poor and homeless people every month. The main factors keeping people from rising above their situations are usually drugs and criminal behavior. I have met hundreds of people in S. Florida who have literally walked ashore here from another country, then worked as taxi drivers, dishwashers, or some type of laborers and within one year been able to have bought nice cars and establish themselves in this country. Many bought homes in just a few years. The answer to their problems was work and common sense. Oh, and many of the successful had a STRONG belief in God, even when they had nothing. |
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Maybe we should consider that our opinions are based on our own personal experiences. What's true for one is obviously not true for the other. In my reality and that of people around me, it's not just the "poor" that are struggling. Those that I know that are now struggling are not drug users, alcoholics, mentally or physically ill. It's the $35,000 and up crowd. Decent jobs, educated. Are those people innocent victims? No. But, they were lured into the false sense of wealth. A carrot was precariously dangled in front of their noses. And the carrot was easy credit. It sounds like there might of been a little dangling in Florida, too.
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