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Topic: Provisional Ballots
Winx's photo
Fri 11/07/08 08:01 AM
I don't understand something. Maybe somebody knows about this.

Missouri, my state, is still a gray state on the electoral map.
Obama and McCain are almost tied.

They aren't making a decision until they count the provisional ballots. That should take about a week.

But...they are only going to count about a third of the provisional ballots.

That doesn't make sense to me. These people stood in line to vote. Something was wrong with the books so the Board of Elections had to be contacted. Then they were allowed to fill out a provisional ballot.

They are only counting a third of them. I don't understand why they don't count all of them.

franshade's photo
Fri 11/07/08 08:11 AM
A provisional ballot is used to record a vote when there is some question in regards to a given voter's eligibility. A provisional ballot would be cast when:

* The voter refuses to show a photo ID (in regions that require one)

* The voter's name does not appear on the electoral roll for the given precinct.
* The voter's registration contains inaccurate or out-dated information such as the wrong address or a misspelled name.
* The voter's ballot has already been recorded

Whether a provisional ballot is counted is contingent upon the verification of that voter's eligibility, believe they have 10 days to provide such proof.

A guarantee that a voter could cast a provisional ballot if he or she believes that they are entitled to vote was one of the guarantees of the Help America Vote Act of 2002.




Winx's photo
Fri 11/07/08 08:13 AM
Edited by Winx on Fri 11/07/08 08:35 AM
Okay, I see that the vote being counted is contingent upon the verification of that voter's eligibility.

Two thirds not being counted sounds like a lot to me. The people I know that had to have them did nothing wrong. The books just didn't have their names.

This count decides who won in our state. We are the only state that is not red or blue. We're gray.

Thanks, Fran.flowerforyou

no photo
Fri 11/07/08 08:21 AM
only a third may be valid because the Mo. secretary of state
believes that the rest of the ballads are no good.
(people voting at the wrong precinct, not being registered, or not legally having the right to vote).

read more here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5108320.ece

and here:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/F85F88091CAD44AD862574F900174E9F?OpenDocument

hope this helps

Winx's photo
Fri 11/07/08 08:30 AM

only a third may be valid because the Mo. secretary of state
believes that the rest of the ballads are no good.
(people voting at the wrong precinct, not being registered, or not legally having the right to vote).

read more here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5108320.ece

and here:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/F85F88091CAD44AD862574F900174E9F?OpenDocument

hope this helps



This sounds harsh to me: "The chief reason? Under the law, "If you cast a provisional ballot in the wrong polling place, it won't count," said Laura Egerdal, spokeswoman for Secretary of State Robin Carnahan."

luke213's photo
Fri 11/07/08 08:30 AM
Its all rigged... Who ever they want in office will be in office some way.. some how.. never trust the government to do anything!

no photo
Fri 11/07/08 08:31 AM


only a third may be valid because the Mo. secretary of state
believes that the rest of the ballads are no good.
(people voting at the wrong precinct, not being registered, or not legally having the right to vote).

read more here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5108320.ece

and here:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/F85F88091CAD44AD862574F900174E9F?OpenDocument

hope this helps



This sounds harsh to me: "The chief reason? Under the law, "If you cast a provisional ballot in the wrong polling place, it won't count," said Laura Egerdal, spokeswoman for Secretary of State Robin Carnahan."



that's what it boils down to
how do we know that what they decide is the truth?
that's the real question

Winx's photo
Fri 11/07/08 08:32 AM


only a third may be valid because the Mo. secretary of state
believes that the rest of the ballads are no good.
(people voting at the wrong precinct, not being registered, or not legally having the right to vote).

read more here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5108320.ece

and here:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/F85F88091CAD44AD862574F900174E9F?OpenDocument

hope this helps



This sounds harsh to me: "The chief reason? Under the law, "If you cast a provisional ballot in the wrong polling place, it won't count," said Laura Egerdal, spokeswoman for Secretary of State Robin Carnahan."



And this: Oh, boy. "The army of lawyers hired by both sides have rolled their sleeves up to contest any decisions, and Republicans will be quick to question provisional ballots wrongly handed out or filled in by voters at the wrong polling station."


Thanks, HeartSoul.flowerforyou

Winx's photo
Fri 11/07/08 08:32 AM
Edited by Winx on Fri 11/07/08 08:34 AM
Oops.

no photo
Fri 11/07/08 08:33 AM



only a third may be valid because the Mo. secretary of state
believes that the rest of the ballads are no good.
(people voting at the wrong precinct, not being registered, or not legally having the right to vote).

read more here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5108320.ece

and here:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/F85F88091CAD44AD862574F900174E9F?OpenDocument

hope this helps



This sounds harsh to me: "The chief reason? Under the law, "If you cast a provisional ballot in the wrong polling place, it won't count," said Laura Egerdal, spokeswoman for Secretary of State Robin Carnahan."



And this: Oh, boy. "The army of lawyers hired by both sides have rolled their sleeves up to contest any decisions, and Republicans will be quick to question provisional ballots wrongly handed out or filled in by voters at the wrong polling station."


Thanks, HeartSoul.flowerforyou



YWflowerforyou

Winx's photo
Fri 11/07/08 08:33 AM



only a third may be valid because the Mo. secretary of state
believes that the rest of the ballads are no good.
(people voting at the wrong precinct, not being registered, or not legally having the right to vote).

read more here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5108320.ece

and here:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/F85F88091CAD44AD862574F900174E9F?OpenDocument

hope this helps



This sounds harsh to me: "The chief reason? Under the law, "If you cast a provisional ballot in the wrong polling place, it won't count," said Laura Egerdal, spokeswoman for Secretary of State Robin Carnahan."



that's what it boils down to
how do we know that what they decide is the truth?
that's the real question


You're right. Please read my post again. I added more.

Winx's photo
Fri 11/07/08 08:33 AM
Edited by Winx on Fri 11/07/08 08:35 AM
Oops again.frustrated

no photo
Fri 11/07/08 08:53 AM
that doesn't surprise me
it's like the hanging chads all over again

I hope all the votes count
people have a right to have their voices heard

Winx's photo
Fri 11/07/08 09:13 AM
Edited by Winx on Fri 11/07/08 09:52 AM

that doesn't surprise me
it's like the hanging chads all over again

I hope all the votes count
people have a right to have their voices heard


I hope so too. It would be wrong if they aren't counted.
And wrong polling location or not, it is a vote. IMO.

HeartSoul, I'll tell you why I think that so many people are going to the wrong polling places. It started with the last census. The lines around the neighborhoods changed big time. They changed the wards. The polling place you had for 20 years is no longer your polling place. We all have different wards and aldermen now.

Look at the electoral map. The Show Me State is the only gray state.laugh

franshade's photo
Fri 11/07/08 09:31 AM


that doesn't surprise me
it's like the hanging chads all over again

I hope all the votes count
people have a right to have their voices heard


I hope so too. It would be wrong if they aren't connected.
And wrong polling location or not, it is a vote. IMO.

HeartSoul, I'll tell you why I think that so many people are going to the wrong polling places. It started with the last census. The lines around the neighborhoods changed big time. They changed the wards. The polling place you had for 20 years is no longer your polling place. We all have different wards and aldermen now.

Look at the electoral map. The Show Me State is the only gray state.laugh


always wanting to be different laugh

Winx - people had ample time to make sure they went to the right polls, they had ample time to register, to change their address, etc. jmo




adj4u's photo
Fri 11/07/08 09:40 AM
ok how do they know which vote was cast by which voter

if it is truly anonymous

they pull the pages apart and supposedly once you put the ballot in the box there is no way of identifying the voter to the ballot

i used a written ballot because i was writing in a candidate
all of them went in the same box

and no numbers were on the ballot

(i am in ohio)


Winx's photo
Fri 11/07/08 09:45 AM
Edited by Winx on Fri 11/07/08 09:52 AM



that doesn't surprise me
it's like the hanging chads all over again

I hope all the votes count
people have a right to have their voices heard


I hope so too. It would be wrong if they aren't counted.
And wrong polling location or not, it is a vote. IMO.

HeartSoul, I'll tell you why I think that so many people are going to the wrong polling places. It started with the last census. The lines around the neighborhoods changed big time. They changed the wards. The polling place you had for 20 years is no longer your polling place. We all have different wards and aldermen now.

Look at the electoral map. The Show Me State is the only gray state.laugh


always wanting to be different laugh

Winx - people had ample time to make sure they went to the right polls, they had ample time to register, to change their address, etc. jmo



Those procrastinators.grumble

I just think about some poor old lady that didn't pay attention to the card and thinking that she had to go to the same place she used to go.

no photo
Fri 11/07/08 09:45 AM


that doesn't surprise me
it's like the hanging chads all over again

I hope all the votes count
people have a right to have their voices heard


I hope so too. It would be wrong if they aren't connected.
And wrong polling location or not, it is a vote. IMO.

HeartSoul, I'll tell you why I think that so many people are going to the wrong polling places. It started with the last census. The lines around the neighborhoods changed big time. They changed the wards. The polling place you had for 20 years is no longer your polling place. We all have different wards and aldermen now.

Look at the electoral map. The Show Me State is the only gray state.laugh


I believe people went to the right places
in my area they had 2 places to vote and some people were sent to where I voted and some to the other polling place

they had removed some people and sent their information to the other polling place
some people were removed and not notified

it happens a lot
I don't think people are lazy, I believe the system is flawed

Winx's photo
Fri 11/07/08 09:45 AM

ok how do they know which vote was cast by which voter

if it is truly anonymous

they pull the pages apart and supposedly once you put the ballot in the box there is no way of identifying the voter to the ballot

i used a written ballot because i was writing in a candidate
all of them went in the same box

and no numbers were on the ballot

(i am in ohio)




OMG! I didn't even think about that! What a good question.

adj4u's photo
Fri 11/07/08 09:51 AM


ok how do they know which vote was cast by which voter

if it is truly anonymous

they pull the pages apart and supposedly once you put the ballot in the box there is no way of identifying the voter to the ballot

i used a written ballot because i was writing in a candidate
all of them went in the same box

and no numbers were on the ballot

(i am in ohio)




OMG! I didn't even think about that! What a good question.



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