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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other?
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It just seems to me that people would basically try to avoid judging the book by its cover...you always miss so much of the important stuff when you do that, you know? We are a visually driven, want it now, society. People glance at the cover, if if the cover art isn't good enough, then what is inside the book won't be looked at in any way. The book is better than the cover...most of the time, anyway. I wholeheartedly agree. One of my criteria for buying a book is that, regardless of the cover, I will open it up and start reading the first chapter. If it grabs my attention, I'll take it. It's not so much the cover as the content. It'd be nice if a lot more people could figure that out. Cheers mate! 
Really, I enjoy your openness when you reply. 
Cheers.
I always try to be as open as possible. No pint in not letting people know what I am really about...lol |
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? To be honest, "ordinary" is a term that is used by the upper-class in order to have a set amount of control over the middle-class and do away with that class as a whole, thus leaving just the upper-class and the lower-class people...new world order if you will. |
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? |
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? I'm very glad you bring that up! Because you make a good point. To direct in Hollywood and stuff like that, you probably will have to use "beautiful people". I don't intend on doing just High concept Hollywood stuff though. But even so, you are right. However, it's Hollywood...movies....fiction by very definition. So why can't we see that it's a fictional thing, not something that we should all strive for--that accepted perfection?? |
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? Kevin Smith really opened the door for the "ordinary" people with the Clerks Script, it is a movie based completly off the ordinary day to day interactions that a clerk comes across. He spent less than 50,000 on the production and made multi-million dollars off of the underground viewing audience that watched the movie. |
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? I'm very glad you bring that up! Because you make a good point. To direct in Hollywood and stuff like that, you probably will have to use "beautiful people". I don't intend on doing just High concept Hollywood stuff though. But even so, you are right. However, it's Hollywood...movies....fiction by very definition. So why can't we see that it's a fictional thing, not something that we should all strive for--that accepted perfection?? Because of all the influences found in the media. Plain and simple. The media ( movies, tv, etc ) tell us what " beautiful " or " handsome " is. It is instilled from the very beginning. |
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? Kevin Smith really opened the door for the "ordinary" people with the Clerks Script, it is a movie based completly off the ordinary day to day interactions that a clerk comes across. He spent less than 50,000 on the production and made multi-million dollars off of the underground viewing audience that watched the movie. This is very true. And thanks for the reminder on that. I think overall, Hollywood could use a makeover...it was just talked about in a forum post by Wonderbread that movies are all the same junk being remade again...and not very well at that... |
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? Kevin Smith really opened the door for the "ordinary" people with the Clerks Script, it is a movie based completly off the ordinary day to day interactions that a clerk comes across. He spent less than 50,000 on the production and made multi-million dollars off of the underground viewing audience that watched the movie. Yes he did. BUT....who does he have in his movies now?? Ben Affleck, Matt Damon etc. Even Clerks2 wound up being guilty of it. |
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? Kevin Smith really opened the door for the "ordinary" people with the Clerks Script, it is a movie based completly off the ordinary day to day interactions that a clerk comes across. He spent less than 50,000 on the production and made multi-million dollars off of the underground viewing audience that watched the movie. Years later and watching them now....boy they are both not very good or witty. Love me that Rosario Dawson, though. Hey, I think I learned something here. |
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? I'm very glad you bring that up! Because you make a good point. To direct in Hollywood and stuff like that, you probably will have to use "beautiful people". I don't intend on doing just High concept Hollywood stuff though. But even so, you are right. However, it's Hollywood...movies....fiction by very definition. So why can't we see that it's a fictional thing, not something that we should all strive for--that accepted perfection?? Because of all the influences found in the media. Plain and simple. The media ( movies, tv, etc ) tell us what " beautiful " or " handsome " is. It is instilled from the very beginning. I agree with you on this JustAGuy, but at what point do we as adult human beings start taking a more responsible and mature view of life and the real people around us rather having it being spoon fed to us via the media?? I mean, while they suggest it to us, it's only so if we allow it to be so in our own minds and lives... |
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? Kevin Smith really opened the door for the "ordinary" people with the Clerks Script, it is a movie based completly off the ordinary day to day interactions that a clerk comes across. He spent less than 50,000 on the production and made multi-million dollars off of the underground viewing audience that watched the movie. Yes he did. BUT....who does he have in his movies now?? Ben Affleck, Matt Damon etc. Even Clerks2 wound up being guilty of it. And I don't deny that, but you need money to cast stars such as that. He had the money because he went slim on production, he was given a budget of 27,000$ on the film. He maxed out 8 or so credit cards, sold his comic book collection and grossed over 3 million off the movie. He did what any ordinary person can do, take their own occupation and create a movie out of it using less than 50 grand. |
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? I'm very glad you bring that up! Because you make a good point. To direct in Hollywood and stuff like that, you probably will have to use "beautiful people". I don't intend on doing just High concept Hollywood stuff though. But even so, you are right. However, it's Hollywood...movies....fiction by very definition. So why can't we see that it's a fictional thing, not something that we should all strive for--that accepted perfection?? Because of all the influences found in the media. Plain and simple. The media ( movies, tv, etc ) tell us what " beautiful " or " handsome " is. It is instilled from the very beginning. I agree with you on this JustAGuy, but at what point do we as adult human beings start taking a more responsible and mature view of life and the real people around us rather having it being spoon fed to us via the media?? I mean, while they suggest it to us, it's only so if we allow it to be so in our own minds and lives... But it goes beyond simply being " suggested ". The very presence and saturation of these images take it beyond suggestion. Remember the line " If you tell a lie enough times, it will come to be seen as truth "?? I know that's not the exact quote, but that's close enough. The images are shown so many times, that after years of exposure to it, people see that as reality. As the goal. |
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? Kevin Smith really opened the door for the "ordinary" people with the Clerks Script, it is a movie based completly off the ordinary day to day interactions that a clerk comes across. He spent less than 50,000 on the production and made multi-million dollars off of the underground viewing audience that watched the movie. Yes he did. BUT....who does he have in his movies now?? Ben Affleck, Matt Damon etc. Even Clerks2 wound up being guilty of it. And I don't deny that, but you need money to cast stars such as that. He had the money because he went slim on production, he was given a budget of 27,000$ on the film. He maxed out 8 or so credit cards, sold his comic book collection and grossed over 3 million off the movie. He did what any ordinary person can do, take their own occupation and create a movie out of it using less than 50 grand. Correct. But what I am saying is that even though he " opened " that particular door, he didn't exactly walk through it and stay there. I take nothing away from him. The man is brilliant for the most part. 
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Even Dogma one of Kevin Smith's acclaimed screens was under budget film production, completly based out of one city and almost completly based out of one store. Grossed over 30 million dollars (USD).
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? I'm very glad you bring that up! Because you make a good point. To direct in Hollywood and stuff like that, you probably will have to use "beautiful people". I don't intend on doing just High concept Hollywood stuff though. But even so, you are right. However, it's Hollywood...movies....fiction by very definition. So why can't we see that it's a fictional thing, not something that we should all strive for--that accepted perfection?? Because of all the influences found in the media. Plain and simple. The media ( movies, tv, etc ) tell us what " beautiful " or " handsome " is. It is instilled from the very beginning. I agree with you on this JustAGuy, but at what point do we as adult human beings start taking a more responsible and mature view of life and the real people around us rather having it being spoon fed to us via the media?? I mean, while they suggest it to us, it's only so if we allow it to be so in our own minds and lives... But it goes beyond simply being " suggested ". The very presence and saturation of these images take it beyond suggestion. Remember the line " If you tell a lie enough times, it will come to be seen as truth "?? I know that's not the exact quote, but that's close enough. The images are shown so many times, that after years of exposure to it, people see that as reality. As the goal. Still messed up though, don't you agree? The human "zombies" out there need to wake up and get a clue! |
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? Kevin Smith really opened the door for the "ordinary" people with the Clerks Script, it is a movie based completly off the ordinary day to day interactions that a clerk comes across. He spent less than 50,000 on the production and made multi-million dollars off of the underground viewing audience that watched the movie. Yes he did. BUT....who does he have in his movies now?? Ben Affleck, Matt Damon etc. Even Clerks2 wound up being guilty of it. And I don't deny that, but you need money to cast stars such as that. He had the money because he went slim on production, he was given a budget of 27,000$ on the film. He maxed out 8 or so credit cards, sold his comic book collection and grossed over 3 million off the movie. He did what any ordinary person can do, take their own occupation and create a movie out of it using less than 50 grand. Correct. But what I am saying is that even though he " opened " that particular door, he didn't exactly walk through it and stay there. I take nothing away from him. The man is brilliant for the most part.
And I'm not trying to downplay you, but Kevin Smith has successfully kept almost every screenplay of his under 50 grand and grossed well over 1 million dollars. |
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It's totally messed up. But the media and marketing companies absolutely thrive on leading the " sheeple " where they tell them to go.
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Edited by
JustAGuy2112
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Sat 11/01/08 11:18 PM
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Well, I have to be honest, I'm glad to see that there are exceptions to the traditional "rules". I would think that most of us all consider ourselves "ordinary people" so then why aren't we looking for "ordinary people" and not beauty queens and buff hunks in each other? " They " aren't looking for ordinary people, because there are so many things telling them that " ordinary " is what we see in the movies and in the media. Lemme ask you this. You want to write and direct in Hollywood, correct??? What do you think the chances are of you being able to get financing for a movie full of " ordinary " looking people??? Kevin Smith really opened the door for the "ordinary" people with the Clerks Script, it is a movie based completly off the ordinary day to day interactions that a clerk comes across. He spent less than 50,000 on the production and made multi-million dollars off of the underground viewing audience that watched the movie. Yes he did. BUT....who does he have in his movies now?? Ben Affleck, Matt Damon etc. Even Clerks2 wound up being guilty of it. And I don't deny that, but you need money to cast stars such as that. He had the money because he went slim on production, he was given a budget of 27,000$ on the film. He maxed out 8 or so credit cards, sold his comic book collection and grossed over 3 million off the movie. He did what any ordinary person can do, take their own occupation and create a movie out of it using less than 50 grand. Correct. But what I am saying is that even though he " opened " that particular door, he didn't exactly walk through it and stay there. I take nothing away from him. The man is brilliant for the most part.
And I'm not trying to downplay you, but Kevin Smith has successfully kept almost every screenplay of his under 50 grand and grossed well over 1 million dollars. Filming something like Dogma cost less than 50 grand?? He couldn't get Ben Affleck to break a sweat for less than a million. Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back cost well over 1 million to produce. The 50 grand may have held true for movies like Clerks and Chasing Amy....but that's simply not the case anymore. |
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It's totally messed up. But the media and marketing companies absolutely thrive on leading the " sheeple " where they tell them to go. It is a shame, but we can break away from this and many movies have shown us how (Boondock Saints being one of the many along with Kevin Smith's movies). |
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