ok well if you feel there's no use in talking to anyone, why should anyone else feel the use in talking to you?

This thread is pissing me off now.

me too

If trying to help someone pisses u off, maybe ya might try not trying to help so much? lol

Personally I will try to give advice but I know I didn't have to,wink..so if it goes unrewarded so be it, and if it helps so be it..

Some people will never see life through your mind.
And vie-so-verse-sa. So we ALL just try.
and try

Believe me when I say I have no intention of trying to piss someone off. I'm just asking to hear my side of it and look at it from my perspective, that's all?

I know all very well about body language and I don't believe that factors into it at all. The lady bartenders could speak to whom ever they like at the bar but when ever they get some spare time they chose to chat with me. Now if I was boring, unfriendly, rude, had no humor would they waste their time? I'm certainly not tipping well enough to garner their attention...

I can understand a woman being a little too shy to approach a guy. But your not asking a guy out if you come up to the bar to get a drink? Setting near guy at the bar isn't asking a guy out either. So, why do I see other women do this with other guys but they never come around me?

you really aren't pissing me off

You ARE pissing me off, cause it revolves around just being confident in you and just saying something. I am not trying to be mean, but when I say "Nutt Up.", I really mean it. Life is too short to be scared to talk to women.

Yep.I have went out alone ,And had a blast with just three other people in the bar.

Well I'm sorry you lack the compassion to listen to others peoples situations. I wished I lived in such a perfect world as you where your always right and everyone else is wrong.

There isn't anyone I'm fearful of speaking with, that's not what I'm talking about. I can have the coolest shirt on and no one will say what a nice shirt you have. I've given compliments to a lady's attire only to be given the cold shoulder. I wasn't even intrested in her just thought it was a very nice outfit worthy of a compliment.

maybe it was the place you were at.. Maybe only snotty people hang out there..

Believe me that thought has crossed my mind on more than one occassion? But I've really had to rule that out as it happens that way no matter where I go...

I'll chat more about this tomorrow, I need to get some rest it's been a long and dreadful night. I hope to hear some good answers, comments, suggestions in the future. I sure would like to understand this situation much better, as I can't fix what I don't know is broken...

I thank everyone for their contributions and wish you all the best.

Good night.

No. I listened to you dude. But, when this thread began, you started off saying it like women should approach you, and not vice versa. I am just saying that you need to stop living in fear. I get that you want to have meaningful conversation. I do see you want to be respectful. But you are also coming off as being shy. I'm saying live a little. Just start with small talk and move forward.

I never said I was right...or always right. I just want you to see that all you need to do is just talk. I overcame my shyness when I learned that the majority of women out their want guys to talk to them...not their boobs...and not just so they can get an easy lay...but to talk to them about anything. See what I am saying?

I regret that either you're not understanding or I'm not getting my message across? I'm not saying women should approach me. I was simply pointing out that I see women approach other men but avoid me. It's as if they are passing judgement on something they know not. It's as if I'm being treated as a serial killer.

Believe me I do talk and I don't watch the woman's chest when I speak to her. I thought I made that pretty clear when I pointed out the female bartenders enjoy conversing with me. I don't think a $2 tip is worthy them wasting their time speaking with me if I was a boring, rude, unfriendly, worldly experienced individual. Now, I'll admit I don't discuss hair care products with them. I wouldn't have the slightest clue what's the best? I buy the cheapest stuff on sale at the dollar store. So, it's normally typical chit-chat, you know local stuff or what's in the news. Sometimes some sports stuff if they are a fan? But all in all I keep it simple and normal everyday small talk.

The point is the lady patrons of the establishment will not chat with me. There's something a miss here?