Topic: Jesus Camp
madisonman's photo
Fri 09/12/08 09:56 PM
Jesus Camp follows several young children as they prepare to attend a summer camp where the kids will get their daily dose of evangelical Christianity. Becky Fischer works at the camp, which is named Kids on Fire. Through interviews with Fischer, the children, and others, Jesus Camp illustrates the unswerving belief of the faithful. A housewife and homeschooling mother tells her son that creationism has all the answers. Footage from inside the camp shows young children weeping and wailing as they promise to stop their sinning. Child after child is driven to tears. Juxtapose these scenes with clips from a more moderate Christian radio host (who is appalled by such tactics), and Jesus Camp seems to pose a clear question: are these children being brainwashed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD2Hyiitpys

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Fri 09/12/08 10:01 PM
It's not just Jesus Camp thats brainwashing. Religion itself is a form of brainwashing.

Abracadabra's photo
Fri 09/12/08 10:16 PM
I truly believe that much of religion is really nothing more than a lame replacement for humanities utter incompetence with respect to good parenting skills.

Even our formal educational institutions reflect our complete ineptitude at mentoring skills.

If humanity could benefit from any single thing it would have to be in the department of learning how to mentor with genuine patience, love and understanding rather than via the detached blind enforcement of unquestioned rules and regulations.

It is truly unfortunate.

People often ask what we would do if we could be God. I think the single most important thing I would do as a God is teach people who to mentor their children with loving care, devotion and patience.

That would be the focal point of any doctrine I would give to humanity. People would be so involved with learning how to mentor others with positive constructive encouragment that they wouldn't have time for all the other crap. laugh

This crap of instilling guilt feelings in children is disgusting. Shame, shame, shame be on these religious organizations.

ChefBadger's photo
Fri 09/12/08 10:20 PM
Ah Jesus Camp...best horror movie I've seen in a long time...wait, waddya mean it was a documentary!?

madisonman's photo
Sat 09/13/08 09:28 AM

Ah Jesus Camp...best horror movie I've seen in a long time...wait, waddya mean it was a documentary!?
I watched the full version for the first time the other day part one is the link above, my skin is still crawling

Krimsa's photo
Sat 09/13/08 10:44 AM
Goodness gracious. It reminds me of that movie from several years ago called "Carrie". It was a horror film based on a Stephen King novel and directed by Brian DePalma so actually its considered a classic now in the genre of "scary flicks". Anyway, Carrie's mother was like this crazy, overbearing Christian type woman but horribly abusive and disturbing. She would have fit in wonderfully as a counselor at "Jesus Camp" I think. sad2

madisonman's photo
Sat 09/13/08 10:47 AM
Edited by madisonman on Sat 09/13/08 10:48 AM
Did you notice that indoctrination of those poor kids? seperated from their families and then subjected to all that? I remember my first camp away from home and the fear that was there

and to see that fear exploited is just awful. In my book it is child abuse

Krimsa's photo
Sat 09/13/08 10:59 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Sat 09/13/08 11:33 AM
I would consider it child abuse and most assuredly emotionally crippling in some respect. However I think you get into the issue of if these kids are under the age of consent and no actual physical harm is befalling them, how can we say what they can and cant subject their own children to. Im not sure what the legalities are. If we attempted to say that they cant send their own children to Jesus Camp if they want to then you know they would run screaming to the ACLU saying that we are violating their civil rights and how they should be allowed to raise their own kids.

Its just like back when the overzealous fundamentalists wanted science pulled from the public school curriculum and only Creationism taught. They had that famous legal battle. "The Monkey Trial" it was called. Its a can of worms. If we dont allow them to be crazy then they will say we cant have science and math in public schools.

madisonman's photo
Sat 09/13/08 11:12 AM

I would consider it child abuse and most assuredly emotionally crippling in some respect. However I think you get into the issue of if these kids are under the age of consent and no actual physical harm is befalling them, how can we say what they can and cant subject their own children to. Im not sure what the legalities are. If we attempted to say that they cant send their own children to Jesus Camp if they want to then you know they would run screaming to the ACLU saying that we are violating their civil rights and how they should be allowed to raise their own kids.
great points for sure, I wonder how those kids turned out

Krimsa's photo
Sat 09/13/08 11:14 AM
Probably serial killers or else they turned 18 and got away from that abusive nonsense. We can only hope for the best. sad2

guitaedreams's photo
Sat 09/13/08 11:18 AM
i was exposed to that kind of nonsense when i was growing up. Now look at me , im crazy as hell lol

Krimsa's photo
Sat 09/13/08 11:21 AM
You do look a little wacko in that photo. No just kidding, you are a handsome kid. :tongue:

madisonman's photo
Sat 09/13/08 12:43 PM

Probably serial killers or else they turned 18 and got away from that abusive nonsense. We can only hope for the best. sad2
I was browsing in U tube and came accross part of this vid translated in arabic I wonder what the rest of the world thinks about our country after seeing that stuffnoway

Krimsa's photo
Sat 09/13/08 01:14 PM
Well I honestly think the world view of the US is already pretty negative. It will be hard to make it any worse at this point. This primarily has to do with our current foreign policy. However its not just that. Americans have a reputation throughout the rest of the globe as being spoiled, stupid, belligerent asses. Of course its not true of all of us but it is a commonly held stereotype and unfortunately, we can live up to it in certain cases. Sometimes there is a lack of sensitivity to differing peoples and cultures. Its not that we dont acknowledge the opinions of other nations, its that we really dont acknowledge that other nations even have opinions and pretty much go along with whatever we have decided to do regardless of the long term consequences. happy

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Sat 09/13/08 01:23 PM

Well I honestly think the world view of the US is already pretty negative. It will be hard to make it any worse at this point. This primarily has to do with our current foreign policy. However its not just that. Americans have a reputation throughout the rest of the globe as being spoiled, stupid, belligerent asses. Of course its not true of all of us but it is a commonly held stereotype and unfortunately, we can live up to it in certain cases. Sometimes there is a lack of sensitivity to differing peoples and cultures. Its not that we dont acknowledge the opinions of other nations, its that we really dont acknowledge that other nations even have opinions and pretty much go along with whatever we have decided to do regardless of the long term consequences. happy
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