Tell me why this book is not a forgery.

Why does it go off on its own and says things that do not agree with the other evangels?

Why? Blessings...Miles

Why do you think it's a forgery?

For 1 and i will post if you wish the scriptures.

The moneychangers in 2 evangels say Yahshua went into jerusalem on a donkey getting ready for his death and he was angered and through over the moneychangers tables and said My Fathers House is a House of Prayer and You Have made it a Den of thieves.

The Book of John says in chapter 2 and 3 that John the Baptists was baptizing and Yahshua was going around preaching. When the moneychangers happened

Yet the disciples came to John in Prison when Yahshua had just started his ministry and The Baptists asks is he the chosen Messiah. And they tell him about healing the sick and such.

It can not be both ways thier are many other things that The Book of John goes off on it's own about and has become the beloved book because it says so many of Yahshua words.

I was really getting into the book of John how interesting it was untill things i started to remember from the other evangels. The more I look the more I find John making up his own Messiah.

I am curious if anyone else sees John as a possible Forgery and why..Blessings of shalom...Miles

Please post the scriptures as to why this is confusing you.

AS to the money changers, I have always understood this to be two separate but similar stories. Having about 3 yrs in between them.

If I were to go into a place of worship and find something wrong happening I might say something, and then if I went back and saw the same happening 3 yrs later, I may use similar wording.

It is clearly a forgery just like the rest of the New Testament. Well, more like a pure fiction with made up characters and made up authors. Is that a forgery? Nope its a fraud.

JB

As for the moneychangers you can compare these scriptures.

Matt 21:7-14

7 brought the ass and the colt, and did put on them their garments, and set [him] upon them;

8 and the very great multitude spread their own garments in the way, and others were cutting branches from the trees, and were strewing in the way,

9 and the multitudes who were going before, and who were following, were crying, saying, 'Hosanna to the Son of David, blessed is he who is coming in the name of Yahweh; Hosanna in the highest.'

10 And he having entered into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, 'Who is this?'

11 And the multitudes said, 'This is Yahshua the prophet, who [is] from Nazareth of Galilee.'

12 And Yahshua entered into the temple of Yahweh, and did cast forth all those selling and buying in the temple, and the tables of the money-changers he overturned, and the seats of those selling the doves,

13 and he saith to them, 'It hath been written, My house a house of prayer shall be called, but ye did make it a den of robbers.'

14 And there came to him blind and lame men in the temple, and he healed them,
YLT


Mark 11:9-18

9 And those going before and those following were crying out, saying, 'Hosanna! blessed [is] he who is coming in the name of the Lord;

10 blessed is the coming reign, in the name of the Lord, of our father David; Hosanna in the highest.'

11 And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple, and having looked round on all things, it being now evening, he went forth to Bethany with the twelve.

12 And on the morrow, they having come forth from Bethany, he hungered,

13 and having seen a fig-tree afar off having leaves, he came, if perhaps he shall find anything in it, and having come to it, he found nothing except leaves, for it was not a time of figs,

14 and Yahsua answering said to it, 'No more from thee — to the age — may any eat fruit;' and his disciples were hearing.

15 And they come to Jerusalem, and Yahshua having gone into the temple, began to cast forth those selling and buying in the temple, and the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those selling the doves, he overthrew,

16 and he did not suffer that any might bear a vessel through the temple,

17 and he was teaching, saying to them, 'Hath it not been written — My house a house of prayer shall be called for all the nations, and ye did make it a den of robbers?'

18 And the scribes and the chief priests heard, and they were seeking how they shall destroy him, for they were afraid of him, because all the multitude was astonished at his teaching;
YLT

Luke 19:36-47

36 And as he is going, they were spreading their garments in the way,

37 and as he is coming nigh now, at the descent of the mount of the Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began rejoicing to praise The Master with a great voice for all the mighty works they had seen,

38 saying, 'blessed [is] he who is coming, a king in the name of Yahweh; peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.'

39 And certain of the Pharisees from the multitude said unto him, 'Teacher, rebuke thy disciples;'

40 and he answering said to them, 'I say to you, that, if these shall be silent, the stones will cry out!'

41 And when he came nigh, having seen the city, he wept over it,

42 saying — 'If thou didst know, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things for thy peace; but now they were hid from thine eyes.

43'Because days shall come upon thee, and thine enemies shall cast around thee a rampart, and compass thee round, and press thee on every side,

44 and lay thee low, and thy children within thee, and they shall not leave in thee a stone upon a stone, because thou didst not know the time of thy inspection.'

45 And having entered into the temple, he began to cast forth those selling in it, and those buying,

46 saying to them, 'It hath been written, My house is a house of prayer — but ye made it a den of robbers.'

47 And he was teaching daily in the temple, but the chief priests and the scribes were seeking to destroy him — also the chiefs of the people —
YLT

Now Johns Version

John 2:13-3:36

Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Yahshua went up to Jerusalem. 14 And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. 15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers' money and overturned the tables. 16 And He said to those who sold doves, "Take these things away! Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!" 17 Then His disciples remembered that it was written, "Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up."
18 So the Jews answered and said to Him,"What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?"
19 Yahshua answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
20 Then the Jews said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?"
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Yahshua had said.
23 The Discerner of Hearts

Now when He was in Jerusalem at the Passover, during the feast, many believed in His name when they saw the signs which He did. 24 But Jesus did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all men, 25 and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man.

John 3

3:1 The New Birth

There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Yahshua by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from Elohim; for no one can do these signs that You do unless Elohim is with him."
3 Yahshua answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of Yahweh."
4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
5 Yahshua answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of Yahweh. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him,"How can these things be?"
10 Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in Yahweh"
22 John the Baptist Exalts Yahshua

After these things Yahshua and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He remained with them and baptized. 23 Now John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there. And they came and were baptized. 24 For John had not yet been thrown into prison.
25 Then there arose a dispute between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purification. 26 And they came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified — behold, He is baptizing, and all are coming to Him!"
27 John answered and said,"A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. 28 You yourselves bear me witness, that I said,'I am not the Messiah,' but,'I have been sent before Him.' 29 He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease. 31 He who comes from above is above all; he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. 32 And what He has seen and heard, that He testifies; and no one receives His testimony. 33 He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true. 34 For He whom Elohim has sent speaks the words of Elohim, for Elohim does not give the Spirit by measure. 35 The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand. 36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Elohim abides on him."
NKJV


Now as far as John Baptising.

Matt 4:7-23

7 Yahshua said to him, "It is written again, 'You shall not tempt the Yahweh your Elohim.'"
8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, "All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me."
10 Then Yahshua said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship Yahweh your Elohim, and Him only you shall serve.'"
11 Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.
12 Yahshua Begins His Galilean Ministry
(Mark 1:14,15; Luke 4:14,15)
Now when Yahshua heard that John had been put in prison , He departed to Galilee. 13 And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is by the sea, in the regions of Zebulun and Naphtali, 14 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying:
15 "The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali,By the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan,Galilee of the Gentiles: 16 The people who sat in darkness have seen a great light,And upon those who sat in the region and shadow of death Light has dawned."
17 From that time Yahshua began to preach and to say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
18 Four Fishermen Called as Disciples
(Mark 1:16-20; Luke 5:1-11)
And Yahshua, walking by the Sea of Galilee, saw two brothers, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea; for they were fishermen. 19 Then He said to them, "Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." 20 They immediately left their nets and followed Him.
21 Going on from there, He saw two other brothers, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in the boat with Zebedee their father, mending their nets. He called them, 22 and immediately they left the boat and their father, and followed Him.
23 Yahshua Heals a Great Multitude

NKJV


Now I find it quite hard to believe that in the other evangels when John the Baptist was in prison the Disciples were still being picked. It also at this time the kingdom of Heaven began to be preached.

He had just came down from fasting for 40 days and Yet the Book of John has the Baptist baptizing.

That does not add up at all. There is a lot more but so much scripture has to be posted that unless you are really into studying them it is hard for some to stay with what is happening. You have to know the evangels fairly well. I am not the best at showing the word in an easy to follow manner.
Also what about Nicodemus. Does Johns version agree?

What about I will destroy this temple in 3 days.

Does Johns version agree?

I can not see it. And this is just the tip of the Iceberg. If the Book of John is a Forgery and should be thrown out. I will tell you other scriptures of Yahweh and his power come to life. For now can anyone explain these verses away? Blessings Miles.

Ps 133

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brethren to dwell together in unity!

2 It is like the precious oil upon the head,
Running down on the beard,
The beard of Aaron,
Running down on the edge of his garments.
3 It is like the dew of Hermon,
Descending upon the mountains of Zion;
For there Yahweh commanded the blessing —
Life forevermore.
NKJV
1 Thess 5:16-22

16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of Yahweh in Messiah Yahshua for you.

19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.
NKJV

TEST ALL THINGS. HOLD FAST TO THAT WHICH IS GOOD

24 But Jesus did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all men, 25 and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man.

my favorite verse.

miles:

Does Johns version agree?


tribo reply;

do memories have to be in a certain order, in order to be true?

do all the gospels agree word for word? are there not differences in all?

are not some things left out of each that are found in others?

do not people interrogating criminals give more weight to stories that differ to some degree than if all are exactly the same? would that not more readily show a contrivance to fool those investigating the criminals.


just asking - shalom.

Then by what you're saying, the other three gospels are more likely to be a contrivance since they are so similar.

Most religious scholars in the academic world that I've talked with seem to be convinced that there was really only one rumor of Jesus and all the gospels are just different recounts of the same rumor.

People who want to believe that the bible is the 'inspiried' word of God would be hard-pressed to accept any discrepencies at all I would think.

In fact, if Jesus was indeed our creator then why not just write his own message down himself so there would be no ambiguity?

What kind of a supreme Heavenly Father would leave such an important message to all of mankind up to hearsay?

Supposely this is the message that will make or break your soul for all of eternity and God leaves it up to hearsay accounts?

That's not a very sincere God if you ask me.

If Jesus was truly God there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that he shouldn't have written his very own book and that book alone should have become the "Word of God", if he was indeed God.

The very idea that God himself would leave his own message up to the hearsay of others is so absurd that this alone should be more than enough reason to discount the entire tale.

The more I think about the whole biblical picture the more convinced I am that it can't possibly be the word of any God.

There is absolutely no excuse at all for a supreme being to come to earth in the flesh and not write down his own message in his own hand.

That is totally inexcusable.

Especially when that message is supposedly about the eternal fate of human souls.

This whole biblical picture is just absurd beyond belief.

miles just for conciderations sake lets look at this from a different view for a moment.

NEW STORY BUT A DIFFERENT SCENARIO:

let's say that you are in the wilderness of Montana and with you is the book of john only that someone has given you and over time you read it over and over and fall in love with what he wrote and through his words Jesus.

then a few years later someone happens by and while talking you bring up john and he/she replies well if you like john i have 3 others you will find comforting also and she hands you 3 more gospels - MATT, MARK, LUKE, and later you begin to read them and you see that they are good but don't line up with what john says about what took place. You would still have a decision to make as to which was correct but this time you would be weighing john [the book you believe is most true for the obvious reasons of having read it first] against the other 3, would it not be just as easy for you to dismiss the other 3 and hold on to johns words? or again maybe accept the fact that they are different in many aspects but none that would ruin your faith in the words of john, that you could accept that all were from god. Does john teach anything less than Jesus is the son of god and the Savior/Christ/Messiah? Is the differences so much that there can be no reconciliation?

just a thought?

a Cherokee blessing:
[Yahweh Elohim]
anasguti hia newadohiyadu "Unelanuki" gudodi niki ale niki

may the peace of god be with you and in you.

be blessed my friend.

we are talking of a mythical book that some believe in james for what ever reason - my questions go to miles my friend as a friend respecting his beliefs. i cannot change them so im just asking in my own way if there could be other reasons than what he states? i'm not playing from within, im playing next door.

The new testament is mostly letters written to the churches. Each one is in the authors own words and there is a slight variation from one to another.

Even in today's modern society, you can have 10 people witness something. Each will have a slight different description of the event. Each person just has a different point of view and it will not be word for word of the other person's statement.

Exactly.

The Bible is not the word of God. It's the hearsay testimony of supposed witnesses.

Clearly, even if Jesus was God if he had wanted a book to be called "His Word", he would have written it himself.

So even if we assume that Jesus was God, it only goes to show that even God himself did not want any books to be written claiming to be "His Word" otherwise he would have written it down himself.

I think that's pretty conclusive right there that something fishy in Peoria.

When the Day of Penetecost came and the Breathe of heaven came upon the 120 with cloven tongues being Yahweh is a consuming fire yet not to his word.

Now if the spirit came on the Prophets this same spirit and gave them visions and told them words to write about the coming Messiah. The for Yahshua to be the Messiah these had to come to be.

Yahshua said we would have the same spirit that was in him.

Did Yahshua contradict himself and not fullfill prophecy would you claim as the Prphecied Messiah?

If him speaking that the only sign he would give that he was who he said was he would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights if that did not come true would you believe?

My point is that all things in the NT was inspeired by the same one. Yahweh.

The same as he inspired the prophets. Many many years apart they agree.

We can reason that well the Book of John was looked at a different perspective. But if it has things in iit that only it has then can it be believed.

Was the Prophet lying when he prophecied that thier would be a lyong Pen of the Scribe.

Why would Yahweh warn us of this?

If satan wanted this to happen would he not pick out the book that has supposedly the most recorded words of Yahshua and the clearest message of the last supper.

We are told satan attacks the most humble servant. Look at Job. Or he puts in line a lie for us to believe. Our weapon that is given us is the Holy spirit. The rightful dividing of the word. We are told thier will be deception in the word.

Just look at the Messiah deception?

He said his only sihn would be he would be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights as was Jonah .

Now how many who call themselves believers claim good friday as when he was killed put in the tomb at dusk friday night and then rose early on Sunday morning/

Do you practice this? Will you please count how many days and nights that is for me?

The days and nights he did not say was partial as he said are thier not 12 hours in a day.

The earth did not have a different timetable for night and day then.

Someone please tell me who made this Heresy of the only sign Yahshua gave us up?

The word is consistant. The Holy spirit is consistant.

When you have a event recorded that says Yahshua entered Jerusalem before Passover and through out the moneychangers and then after that says John the Baptist is out Babtising. when the other writers say John the baptist was thrown in prison and When Yahshua found out immediarely went down by the sea to Fulfill prohecy. Thier is something very wrong.

We are Told to test the Spirits. Does that not include the writings we have?

Were they not inspired by the same spirit?

Do we blindly follow an emperor who after the books were decided which ones would be in the canon we have now put out a decree in 325ad that whoever does not agree with this shall be killed and many as Arian had to run for thier lives.

Now want to say the scriptures are true by a pagan emporer who would have you killed at the drop of a hat if you did not agree with him. Is his council of Niacia to be our mark for Truth?

Why do you think you celebrate Easter?

Its says its an abomination to do this ritual in the Prophets.

If you believe you will rightfully divide the Spirit of Truth and see what is really true instead of saying well it has always been this away it must be true. Do you think those are the people you see on the clouds in Rev 14 and 15?


Once again we though out the original as old and swallowed a camel as New. Wake up do not be afraid to say i have been taught a lie I want to know the truth and do it.

Satan wants tradition to stay around. Ue wants what you believe and do claiming it as rightous to keep right on doing it. Because you have Declared Helel Satans true name as your creator and taken Yahweh and said he does not give his people discernment to know what is right and what is wrong.

You chose this Day who it is you are going to follow?

A deciever or the only one who is called Good?

Blessings,,,Miles

ok my friend i see what your saying, like i said just some thoughts on my part, if you've looked at all that and have decided for yourself that it is a lie and herasy, then it is.i still continue to look for things that don't line up so i know where your coming from as well.




"anasguti hia newadohiyadu "Unelanuki" gudodi niki ale niki"

shalom.

Shalom Tribo.

Yes we are told to test the spirits. We are told about the lying pen of the scribe.

We need to Prove all things. This i would think every believer would want to do personally.

To have an answer for every man of your faith and hope.

But we are steeped in Tradition.

The average Joe can not possibly know something his/her preacher does not teach us.

What are Satans Ministers called before Yahshua comes back?

Are they not refered to as wolves in sheeps clothing?

Are they not called Ministers of Light?

How is Almost the Whole world discieved if we are being taught the truth?

Does the Spirit of Truth not see all men as Equal?

Does it not say his people would not be taught by men but by the spirit of truth?

Why all the churches of a million members or more..Why? Who are they can we tell?

Yes we can and here we can start but do not just say well i am going to keep my traditions and change some of the annointed ones who have been prophisyed about what the words really say.

Be honest with yourself are you one of these people?

Rev 12:17

17 and the dragon was angry against the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, those keeping the commands of Yahweh, and having the testimony of Yahshua Messiah.
YLT

Are you keeping the commandments of Yahweh? If so how are you doing it and what are they?

What do they really say?

See Satan accusses you everyday. He can still go to the throne and accuse.

Rev 12:10

10 And I heard a great voice saying in the heaven, 'Now did come the salvation, and the power, and the reign, of our Elohim and the authority of His Messiah, because cast down was the accuser of our brethren, who is accusing them before Yahweh night and day.

Thank all those who tell you that you are believing a fairy tale?

If you will prove for yourself and forget about tradition and what your minister has said and BELIEVE That the SPIRIT of TRUTH will show you all things. May Yahweh be with you..Blessings..Miles


Tribo i have just began to investigat the Book of John.

I can see very well why it would be messed with.

Satan messing with the most beloved book in the scriptures to most.

The Book that is said to have more of what Yahshua said while here than anyone .

Yes if you are going to mess with a book and i would venture to say it was at the council of Nicea when the canon we have today was decided.

But we are told that the Spirit of Truth will Bring All Things To Remberance To Those who Believe and keep his Commandments.. Shalom...Tribo

I'm not so sure you can blame that on Satan. The books were messed with alright, all of them, by men with an agenda.

shalom my friend, nuwadookiyadu Unelanuki niki

I didn't read this whole thread.......but I have read the whole Bible.......and it has some pearls in it, but by no means would I consider it fact.........

ONE, did u ever consider the other gospels and how much a like they are??? Have you ever read biographies by completely different authors that were so much alike in what they choose to focus on. Take note that if EVERY good work of Jesus were recorded all the books in the world couldn't contain them...... John 21:25, of course you're opinion of John may taint ur view of whether the rest of the New Testament would agree. But just imagine, ALL the gospels claim that he went on to do many miracles...........so tell me why the other gospels all focus on the same exact miracles????

I mean, if you seen many miracles a day, and decided to write a book of what you witnessed (how about what happened before the "apostles" were even made "apostles"??? Were they going off of what they were told happened???) Would you choose the EXACT or very SIMILAR ones?? NOT likely, and your writing style should definitely be different..... Unless you were copying from something/someone else, rather than your own eye witness account.

Anyhoo, if I believed the Christian way, or that the Bible was indeed fact.......I would question why everything else "agrees" so well, when they were supposedly written by completely different people.

NOTE: The Bible is/was a compilation of works gathered together by scribes of the time that seemed to corroborate what they wanted taught............. They decided what was included and was was not.........

Some claim, that though this may be true, their hands/minds were guided by Christ/God himself...........but I've learned in my short little life to never trust someone who claims that God himself told them they should/should not do something.....and claims that because of this, they are infallible.

Hope this helps with ur confusion.

Shaalom Plainome


I can understand where you are coming from.

But we must relize if we believe that Yahweh sent his son to willingly die on our behalf and that the same spirit he had we can have. The the Spirit can teach anyone. Anything is possible.

We are told to prove all things. I enjoy when people who do not believe bring up something i have not ever thought of and may never of thought about.

When that happens i have to go back to the instruction book.

If i am wrong I rejoice If i am right it strengthens my faith.

I am not going to be blinded by what the world says.

I have posed very serious questions about the book of John. now they may of seen different things and been inspired to write that down after Yahshua's assension.

They will not contradict each other.

How can the book of John having Yahshua being talked to by nicodemus. Yahshua saying he will destroy the temple in 3 days and rebuild it.so to speak.

These in all the evangels but John have this being said and done before or at when he entered Jerusalem on the 10th of Abib. Which why did he have to enter on the 10th of Abib?

But the things I spoke of that is recorded after around 3 years of ministry.

that John would have these events to happen before John the Baptists was taken and thrown in prison.

Way off from the other accounts. They say when yahshua came down from 40 days of fasting. The disciples only some have been picked and when Yahshua heard john was thrown in prison he did not go to John his Cousin. No he headed toward the sea to fullfill prophecy for John being thrown in prison was a sign to him.

We can not have accounts so far apart.

If you can show me as i have only investigated John up to chapter 3 when he says John was thrown in Prison. How Johns accounts mainly chapter 2.

I would welcome that discernment. Shalom...Miles