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Topic: bad american
gary86's photo
Sun 03/18/07 11:12 PM
in your veiw who is bad for america

KoolDude79's photo
Sun 03/18/07 11:35 PM
Conservative media hogs like Anne Coulter.

gary86's photo
Sun 03/18/07 11:40 PM
yes i agree anything to sell a book

derfw3's photo
Mon 03/19/07 03:55 PM
People who say "This is what we need to do regarding _____."; but
don't/can't say how we should go about doing what they think we should.

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Mon 03/19/07 04:54 PM
GB is running this country to the ground!... so hes bad.mad mad
mad

gardenforge's photo
Mon 03/19/07 07:07 PM
Liberal media hogs like Hillary Clinton

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Mon 03/19/07 07:11 PM
cry the blues all yall want gentleman point is amarica is not bad it
just got some bad leaders, bad media, and even some bad people here an
there. if any thing we are to good, at least to the other countries.

gary86's photo
Mon 03/19/07 07:19 PM
mine is ann coulter. another nutcase who can talk a good fight but no
she does not have to fight.

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Mon 03/19/07 07:34 PM
I think that a person that spends over 20 years in the military, and
uses it to his benefit. Then when he told he has to go to war he then
said "I don't believe this war is right,and I won't go." Well I have to
say that is a BAD AMERICAN. Remember what J.F.K. said "Ask not what your
Country can do for you, But what you can do for you country"

gary86's photo
Mon 03/19/07 08:40 PM
see it not about what jfk said . that coming from a rich man with silver
spoon in his mouth unlike most people in serve i was never brain washed
by our government i done things my way. because i no can never trust the
government. i dont every sell my soul at no price

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Mon 03/19/07 08:48 PM
you sayd in "your view who is bad for America". Well in my view that
would be bad for america. By the way J.F.K. served in WWII.and in
battle.

gary86's photo
Mon 03/19/07 08:53 PM
yes i,m sure he was in combat. whats sad is folks like you who live in
the past. you trust your government right . i,m sure when jfk got shot
one bullet hit three people . since you trust your government so much

FedMan's photo
Mon 03/19/07 08:56 PM
I trust my govt before anyother, if anyone has a problem with their govt
they can move and denounce their citizenship, no ones asking or begging
you to live here, and as far as the military and who serves it's who
joins is who serves until the draft is in effect.

gary86's photo
Mon 03/19/07 09:07 PM
well thats nice. another brainwashed american. they come in all shapes.i
have taken a few bullets. for the red white and blue. i can and will say
what i beleive. our government are all crooks. its time to take our
county back. not later but now.

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Mon 03/19/07 09:23 PM
Gary, Why are you so upset about what I have to say? You put up the
thread not me. Aren't I allowed to say how I feel about who is bad for
this country. I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I served
for this country. Do I need to check with you before I write on how I
feel?

gary86's photo
Mon 03/19/07 09:41 PM
first you are the ringwing guy not me.you remind of a lt i punch in the
mouth.new al the answers

Fitnessfanatic's photo
Mon 03/19/07 09:48 PM
I find it interesting that Mysteriousman choose a picture of soldier
from a overwhelming anti-war movie as his profile image.

ShadowEagle's photo
Mon 03/19/07 10:13 PM
Here's so facts about history past of Our Government involved with the
enemy.'

On June 6, the US national archives released some 27,000 pages of secret
records documenting the CIA’s Cold War relations with former German Nazi
Party members and officials.

The files reveal numerous cases of German Nazis, some clearly guilty of
war crimes, receiving funds, weapons and employment from the CIA. They
also demonstrate that US intelligence agencies deliberately refrained
from disclosing information about the whereabouts of Adolf Eichmann in
order to protect Washington’s allies in the post-war West German
government headed by Christian Democratic leader Konrad Adenauer.

Eichmann, who had sent millions to their deaths while coordinating the
Nazis’ “final solution” campaign to exterminate European Jewry, went
into hiding in Buenos Aires after the fall of the Third Reich. Utilizing
friendly contacts in the Catholic Church and the Peron government in
Argentina, Eichmann was able to reside in the South American country for
10 years under the alias of Ricardo Klement. He was abducted in 1960 by
Mossad, Israel’s foreign intelligence agency, put on trial in Israel and
executed in 1962.

The documents show that the CIA was in possession of Eichmann’s
pseudonym two years before the Mossad raid. The CIA received this
information in 1958 from the West German government, which learned of
Eichmann’s alias in 1952. Both the CIA and the Bonn government chose not
to disclose this information to Israel because they were concerned that
Eichmann might reveal the identities of Nazi war criminals holding high
office in the West German government, particularly Adenauer’s national
security adviser Hans Globke.

When Eichmann was finally brought to trial, the US government used all
available means to protect its West German allies from what he might
reveal. According to the declassified documents, the CIA pressured Life
magazine into deleting references to Globke in portions of Eichmann’s
memoirs that it chose to publish.

In addition to the revelations regarding Eichmann, the documents
chronicle the CIA’s creation of “stay-behind” intelligence networks in
southwestern Germany and Berlin, labeled “Kibitz” and “Pastime,”
respectively. The Kibitz ring involved several former SS members. In the
early 1950s, the CIA provided these groups with money, communications
equipment and ammunition so that they could serve as intelligence assets
in the event of a Soviet invasion of West Germany.

The CIA documents were reviewed by Timothy Naftali, a historian with the
National Archives Interagency Working Group, the government body that
oversaw their declassification and release. According to an article
published by Naftali, the stay-behind program was dissolved “in the wake
of public concerns in West Germany about the resurgence of Neo-Nazi
Groups.” Specifically, the Kibitz-15 group, led by an “unreconstructed
Nazi,” became a potential source of public embarrassment for the US, as
its members were broadly involved in Neo-Nazi activity. [1]

The CIA terminated the program by 1955 and arranged for many of its
contacts to be resettled in Canada and Australia. According to the
documents, Australia provided funds for relocation while the CIA
provided its ex-assets with a “resettlement bonus.”

The CIA employed Gustav Hilger, a former adviser to Nazi Foreign
Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop. As an employee of the German foreign
office, Hilger was present at the negotiation of the Stalin-Hitler pact
in 1939. The CIA deemed his experience with the USSR sufficiently
valuable to free him from incarceration at Fort Meade in Maryland and
employ him as an intelligence evaluator in West Germany.

In 1948, Hilger moved to the United States and obtained a position at
the CIA’s K Street building in Washington as a researcher and expert on
the USSR. Hilger eventually left the CIA to work for the West German
foreign office.

According to a paper analyzing the CIA documents published by Robert
Wolfe, a former senior archivist at the US National Archives, “it is
beyond dispute that Hilger criminally assisted in the genocide of
Italy’s Jews.... During the roundup of Italian Jews in late 1943, a note
signed ‘Hilger’ recorded Ribbentrop’s concurrence that the Italians be
asked to intern the Jews in concentration camps in Northern Italy, in
lieu of immediate deportation. The SS intended thereby that the Italian
Jews and their potential Italian protectors should believe that
internment in Italy was the final destination, rather than eventual
deportation to the murder mills in Poland to be immediately murdered or
gradually worked to death. The stated purpose of this ruse was to
minimize the number of Italian Jews who would go into hiding to avoid
deportation to Poland” [2]

In another instance, the CIA employed Tscherim Soobzokov, a former Nazi
gendarme and Waffen SS lieutenant, who, according to a paper published
by Interagency Working Group Director of Historical Research Richard
Breitman, “participated in an execution commando [combat group detailed
to executing Jews and Communists en masse] and had searched North
Caucasian villages for Jews.”

Soobzokov was employed by the CIA for seven years. Over this period, he
repeatedly used his intelligence contacts to avoid investigation by the
FBI and the US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in regard to
his complicity in war crimes.

According to Breitman’s paper, CIA examiners noted that Soobzokov was an
“incorrigible fabricator” who repeatedly lied about his past in order to
conceal his participation in criminal activity. Nevertheless, the CIA
shielded him against investigation, at one point sending the INS a
document asserting that Soobzokov had never worked for the Nazis. [3]

Prior to the outbreak of war, a significant section of the American
ruling elite had favored cooperation with the Nazis as a European hedge
against the spread of Bolshevism. Henry Ford was notorious for his
anti-Semitism and his political affinity for German Fascism, and a
number of major American companies retained their business ties with the
Third Reich. Notably, IBM sold Germany the punch cards that were used to
catalog the “final solution.”

However, as one European nation after another fell before Hitler’s
onslaught, the threat of German imperialist dominance in Europe spurred
the American ruling class to enter the European theater.

US imperialism mobilized popular support in its war against the Nazi
regime by appealing to the democratic and anti-fascist sentiments of the
American people. After the defeat of Germany, it organized, together
with its World War II allies—Britain, the Soviet Union and France—the
Nuremburg trials to prosecute top Nazi officials for their complicity in
war crimes.

However, with the start of the Cold War, the United States reversed its
policy of identifying, trying and executing prominent Nazi war
criminals. As is starkly demonstrated in the case of Eichmann, the
knowledge possessed by many of these individuals made trying them
inconvenient.

Regardless of its limited prosecution of upper-echelon Nazis, the United
States had no qualms about recruiting Nazi Party members and war
criminals into its military research apparatus. Prominent German
military developers such as Werner Von Braun and Bernhard Tessmann were
assimilated into the US rocketry program, while Kurt Blome, a Nazi
scientist who experimented on concentration camp prisoners, was employed
by the US to develop chemical weapons.

Likewise, the early stages of the Cold War saw high-level Nazi cadres
drafted into the US intelligence machine and deployed in Europe, the
Middle East and the Americas. According to the Department of Justice
Office of Special Investigations (OSI), the bureau assigned to
investigate German war criminals living within the US, at least 10,000
Nazis entered the US between 1948 and 1952. Of the thousands of German
Nazis who fled—or were brought—to the United States, only some 100 have
been prosecuted by the OSI.

reference for the basis of information presented:

1. Timothy Naftali, “New Information on Cold War CIA Stay-Behind
Operations in Germany and on the Adolf Eichmann Case”
http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/naftali.pdf
2. Robert Wolfe, “Gustav Hilger: From Hitler’s Foreign Office to CIA
Consultant” http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/wolfe.pdf
3. Richard Breitman, “Tscherim Soobzokov”
http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/breitman.pdf

See Also:
Newly released files show: Postwar German government and CIA shielded
Adolf Eichmann
[3 July 2006

Fitnessfanatic's photo
Mon 03/19/07 10:27 PM
Oh Shadow Eagle, ever used the KISS princle. Keep It Simple and Short. I
think instead of reading all that I just watch the movie "The Good
Shepard" they say it's the "Godfather of CIA movies."

KoolDude79's photo
Mon 03/19/07 10:29 PM
I bet Ann Coulter has a gapping vagina.laugh

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