if i was going to ban him id do it just because im a democrat an a bush
hater . but i dont feel that i have the right to ban anyone even if he
is a bush lover if not should do away with that awful picture. cant
stand the site of bush. but i wont be like our country did with the
dixie chicks an ban them because they said something i didnt like
because unlike our politicians i beleive in free speech.

free speech is a silly thing of the past, go ask Imus.


and back to Doc, where is my bogus sites?

you still havent defended this governments story about the 3 steel
buildings falling to the ground in less than a couple of hours and
Bush's brother being head of security of the WTC on 911.

Hey BW did you see my reply on the trade centers?

'GRIZZ'

Stop looking at pictures, read the threads!!!

I'll WAY OUT ON A LIMB HERE, but I don't think 'shadow...' is a 'bushy'.

grizzy if you look careful at the pic of Bush I think shadow is actually
making a mockery of him... He smoking from a glass Bong...

I looked at the picture and kind of saw a halo, one of God and the Mary,
mother of Jesus and I also saw that he gets his messages from God and
that we should love him and what he does, because he loves us and
protects us and he plays golf with Bill Clinton and they all love us,
and they will protect us from these guys with box-cutters and row-boats,
because they say so, and Hillary will be the next president and we will
follow her because there is crazy TERRORISTS that will kill us, and
these TERRORISTS mean business because they used box-cutters and killed
us, so we have to have the Patriot Act that kills the Constitution and
we will all be safe.....



wave your flag everyone, on the count of 1, 2, 3...ok do it


yeahhhhhhhhh


God bless this government that keeps us safe from those crazy
box-cutters....and cross your fingers that they dont get a row-boat,
cuzz with open borders they could really hurt us.

Just a reminder to everyone - the forum rules allow you to attack and
debate the message, but not the messenger. We encourage healthy debate
on all topics, but you may not allow that debate to degrade into
personal attacks on one another.

There are several posts in this thread that are very close to if not
over the line.

Attacking another user will result in a suspension of posting privileges
or even permanent banning from the site. So please make sure to avoid
personal attacks at all times. If you have an issue with another user,
use the Report Abuse button and we will investigate. That is the only
permissible manner to handle an issue with another user.

Again, we do encourage healthy debate and we know these subjects are
areas people are very passionate about which can lead to somewhat heated
discussions. And that is fine with us as long as they don't lead to
personal attacks on each other. First of all, you're not going to
convince anyone they are wrong by calling them names, etc. and you're
not going to be able to listen to someone when they are insulting you.
And second of all, it's just not the mature way to handle a
disagreement. And finally, we don't allow it on the forums.

Strong, rigorous arguments are absolutely fine as long as
they don't become personal.

Thanks,
Mike

understood, thanks for reminding me/us.

Just this topic makes me cringe, the question that "should we ban
someone" is one question that should be highly frowned apon and
discouraged.

Fanta46 said
Hey BW did you see my reply on the trade centers?



Yes, I did, and was shocked. You said it was interesting and kind of
phoo phooed it and you still regard You Tube as a site for the bizzare.
Then you wanted me to watch a video of your choice from there......Im
sure the one your thinking of will be quite bizzare. But You Tube is
just a site its not a propaganda machine. Why dont you pick a video that
disproves 911 mysteries?


I have shown that video (911 mysteries) to about 200 people and none of
them thought it was interesting, but they all thought it was horrifying
and tried to prove it wrong, but none of them could. But maybe your a
rare person who can, or maybe I have a group of friends that all think
alike.

here is the video for those who want to view it, and please if you have
some information to the contrery of her thoughts I would love to
see/view them, Im open to all on the subject, I just havent found
anything that backs up the offical/governements story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMWn-bQYfSc


What is more shocking to me, is that some people I respect like
Gardenfordge will not watch the video.

why ban him? he's got a right to express his opinion...even if it's
only good for a

I said it was interesting,,,,
It was interesting that someone put that much effort and thought into
trying to distort the facts, and others opinions of the facts. I thought
it was interesting that the other --?number of engineers and experts
opinions and theories were totaling ignored. I have seen programs on the
discovery channel, and other broadcasts that take an unbiased look at
the tragedy of 9/11, even mentioning the theory discussed on the
you-tube video you mentioned, and I watched. You will have to find these
other sources for yourself bear, they are public knowledge and
accessible if you are willing to watch them, Google them. The truth is
out there.....

The reason some people want to ban him is simple.

Because he says that Bush lied, our soldiers are getting killed and
killing innocent people over in the Middle East because the neo-cons
want Empire and even in pre-911 PNAC documents it says that this country
needs to conqour the Middle East but the people would never get behind
such madness and so, as its printed "we need a Pearl Harbor type event
so the people will rally behind us"

Some people still believe that this government is following the US
Constitution and dont want to hear anything to the contrary. But as you
have noticed less and less American Flags are not being displyed since
911. I used to see hundreds and hundreds of flags and now I never see
any, that is because people dont agree with what is happening by this
government, they have woken up, others want people "shut-uped" and
"banned"

Like I said Fanta, your very rare, 1 in 200 in fact.

Agreed Bearandwhiskey on the fact that this topic isn't a great one. To
be honest, the whole subject is moot - no one can ban anyone on the site
other than mods or admins. But perhaps a debate as to when a user
*should* be banned isn't a terrible topic to discuss. In this case, at
least, it seems to have led to some agreement that user's should not be
banned for what they say, even if you disagree, but rather for how they
say it, i.e. personal attacks. And that's certainly along the lines of
what we strive for as admins.

I Think the key goal that shadoweagle was trying to get across is that
we as Americans. has been blind-sided into thinking one-way without
objectivity. without rationality of thought of both sides and analyzing
the possibilities we never progress onwards we just live in a shroud we
believe to be true. But, isn't

Ok, how about we just ban the OP? Don't even know who this shadow
person it, never seen any posts as I very rarely come to this site, but
think it is way out of line to make a thread like this.