Freedoms like muscles are only strong when exercised.

I have freedom of speach.

Only way to take it away from me is to shoot me.

But that might be difficult cause I also have the right to bear arms.

AB,

my freedom of religion lets me be able to say this.

I bless you.

your words perfectly spoken.


doc

ps good to see you here.

To army doc from the 1st post.

The only defense the government cheerleaders have to my questions about
911 are "where are all the people on the planes" and "It would involve
thousands of people"

They wont talk about the 3 steel buildings that came down perfectly in
demolition form, that the Lease holder on those buildings, Larry
Silverstien told PBS that the firefighters decided to "pull" building 7,
and it did. The 40+ story steel building came down in perfect form
without no planes ever hitting it. They wont talk about the fact that
there is no 757 plane parts around or in the Pentagon, they wont take
about the fact that 9 of the original hijackers are still alive, they
wont talk about all the gag orders put on some of the FBI and CIA
employees, preventing them from speaking, they wont talk about the PNAC
documents that say in order to invade and occupy the Middle East we need
a Pearl Harbor type event, otherwise the people wont get behind us. And
just because President Bush's brother Marvin Bush was head of security
for the WTC complex is just another coincidence.

I remember in school as a young child we learned that the Indians were
savages and they attacked and killed innocent whites from Europe. We
even learned that they scalped the men, women and children for their
ceremonial dances and hung them around their necks. As I got older I
learned just the opposite, that our ancestors were the savages, that
they gave bounties to other whites for Indian scalps.

Those taking the scalps of Indians quickly learned that they could cut
them up and claim they killed more. The invaders then changed the
bounties for Indian noses, and ears, gosh they were imaginative.

If you further study what happened to the Indians at the hands of this
government, it would sicken you. They butchered the men, raped the women
and in slaved some of the children. And after killing them and taking
their land, they marched them to the reservations with in-planted
Measles disease in their blankets (kind of like the Tuskegee experiment
on the blacks that this government did) to see if it could be used as a
future weapon.

But to most people that you ask, the Indians were all savages who killed
and attacked innocent white people, they don't want to be bothered by
the facts and they surly don't want to think that this government would
torture people the way they did. Because, after all they said they
needed their land and resources.

And yes, we need to start over. This government of lies, murder,
genocide and tyranny needs to go, and I'm referring to both parties.

If we don't stand up to these liars and murderers then it will only get
worse, just as Hitler's Germany did.

Ask your father what kind of Country he wants his grandchildren to live
in since some dont understand what is happening right before their eyes.

Wars don't happen by accident. Economies and depressions don't happen by
accident. That is why our government is so secretive, if the people only
knew the truth about the Federal Reserve, the IRS, the Criminal Justice
System, the Drug War, the pharmaceutical wickedness, the open borders,
the failed school system and the true reason for wars, they would be
marching to Washington DC today.

But maybe, they already know, and just live with the devil they know and
have learned to love.

BaW

being an american of native american decent complete with a lot number
and all that goes with it i am well aware of the unjustices that were
faced. having said that, people who do not always understand a subject,
no matter what the issue, tend to think the worst, they close off their
minds to other possiblities.

Do nations lie to its people, yes undoubtedly. Do i condone that, hell
no, but i can understand why it is done. A person can be smart enough to
handle the trut, however people as a group are irrational and fearful,
and i dare say have no common sense.

speading of additional lies to couteract the already told ones, just
adds more lies to the flames of ignorance.


doc

which lies did I tell.


and better yet, which truths about 911 that are on this post can you
defend with this government's own sorses and documentations.

go watch this 30 second clip then cry.

http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/

and by the way, you said to put the drinks down...


why did you say that??????


thats not very polite.

Hey Doc you got a picture or do you always hide behind Kanji letters all
day.

Speak of the devil the person of question shows up. But does he have any
reliance in any serious topic?

BaW- a play on words withyour name and drinks, not trying be out rightly
rude to you, but i think the names got something to do with it.


outright calling you a liar, i did not do, and intentionally i did not,
i think your misguided and want to believe so bad that we did the 911
tradjety ourself.

as far as bodies not being there. do you realize what happens to the
body, which is 70 water is incinerated. they tend to disappear in drove,
not to mention the i dont know how many tons of crushing debries that
pulverizes bones into powder, so i dont you, just using my own common
since here, but it stands to reason that the bodies would not all be
found, i stood in front of my television and watched myself as the
second plane hit the building so the argument that it never hit is about
as stupid as saying the moon is covered with water.

about my pic, hey check out my profile you'll see me there.


doc


airborne!!!

Engines of a 757 dont disappear.
and you didnt talk about the buildings esp. building 7


my name is after my dogs. they are Bear and Whiskey.

My spelling is bad because Im dyslixic and my format is bad too.

and you use that against me instead of the topic at hand......

people wanted to see me .... So here i am good luck finding me.

Special Division Spec Ops Mi

Its not BEER AND WHISKEY like you said

Some ARMY and Soldiers believe this kind of crap;


In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as
"dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy. Kissinger
often took up a post outside the doorway to Haig's office and dressed
him down in front of the secretaries for alleged acts of incompetence
with which Haig was not even remotely involved. Once when the Air Force
was authorized to resume bombing of North Vietnam, the planes did not
fly on certain days because of bad weather. Kissinger assailed Haig. He
complained bitterly that the generals had been screamin for the limits
to be taken off but that now their pilots were afraid to go up in a
little fog. The country needed generals who could win battles, Kissinger
said, not good briefers like Haig.

On another occasion, when Haig was leaving for a trip to Cambodia to
meet with Premier Lon Nol, Kissinger escorted him to a staff car, where
reporters and a retinue of aides waited. As Haig bent to get into the
automobile, Kissinger stopped him and began polishing the single star on
his shoulder. "Al, if you're a good boy, I'll get you another one," he
said.

And to think that Kissinger was President Bush's choice to lead the 911
investigations! Talk about the fox guarding the hen house! This
Rockefeller stooge has as much compassion for the victims of 911 as he
did the victims of the Vietnam War. To these people its all a business
deal. Remember that President Kennedy had Kissinger thrown out of the
White House and refered to him as being insane! Of course they murdered
Kennedy and brought Kissinger back into the White House.



Kissinger needs to be hanged, he is a traitor to this country, but yet
he is at the utmost of the elite, even above puppet Bush, such a shame,
disrespect, and above all, he has murderderd our troops.

for the love of all thats unholy i didnt take you to task on a topic of
your disability, didnt even know you had one, dont go there with me
because its not going to play well. you brought that up, did i bring up
the hours of sleepless nights because of PTSD, NO! so lets get over the
everyones a victim here, and the topic at hand is what, you said we
killed ourselves on 911, i think thats great you have an opinion, the
dogs in your pic BTW are freaking awesome. or do you want to get angree
about that as well. you wanna talk cool we'll talk. i wont be mean to
you anymore.

HEY SHADOW, where did you download that pic from.

They believe Kissinger is a hero.... not what I posted about what
Kissinger said.


again, im dyslexic and meant that soldiers and citizens believe
Kissinger is STILL A GOOD PERSON AND IMPORTANT AND NOTHING COULD BE
FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH...AND ME AND OHTERS ARE TRYING TO WAKE YOU UP
FROM YOUR DREAM.......


but you wont see the truth...


its so sad

nice doc...your changing the topic..but thats what i expected from you..


your getting there, I have hope for you.

not changing the topic, actually im jumping ship, throwing myslef on the
sword your weilding.

one last jab in regards to kissinger and the bombings during vietnam,
amazing the stupidity of politicians to think that they know better than
a soldier how to fight a war.

politicians told the bombers when and where to bomb, total fiasco. not a
fan of haig either. but that was not my wart this one is.

sorry BEAR and WHiskey


doc

I would like to interject a small possibly insignificant point here
about facts.

Fact - 9/11 happened. Fire rained down on the streets of NY city.

Fact - We have military forces in Iraq.

Fact - There are differing opinions about the causes of each.

Fact - none of us can do a darn thing about the above facts but voice
our opinions and hope they are heard.

What is more important when generating electricity. The water that has
gone down stream or the water still to come.

We need to be concentrating our energies on bringing a peaceful solution
to the-world-as-it-is not wasteing them on that which was.

Right now I don't care who bombed who or what started it all. I just
want it to end before it claims my sons life, before it claims the lives
of your sons or daughters.

How can we expect peace, we can't even (appearently) get along in a
forum.

I'm with bearandwhiskey...

Doc, you think i wanted to believe all the stories and theorectical
conspiracies. At, first I denied it but, one of the biggest botch job we
soldiers had was the Vietnam War.

I served 3 years Intel and i was also an advisor to Signal Corp division
when they were setting up a base in Kandarhar airforce base. I heard
all the pleas and the distrust of the soldiers about this war and i
accused them all of being non-patriotic and traitors to the USA
Government.

My eyes were open by many people many sources.... When you start to do
the research you gonna denied it being truth but, if you keep an
open-mind and think of possibilities things of clarity start to hit
mind.

You , yourself said that this government has done many things wrong for
a good reason... That's the part i don't agree with. Nothing done wrong
for a good reason. Men and women serving in our military force everyday
just to Protect this Great Country of Ours and they are dying for the
wrong reasons. They have been brainwashed into believing what they are
doing is right. After, all to incited a war sometimes as says the
Government Accetable losses are acceptable in order to gain the support
from the American People and bring their Patriotic support back into the
war.

Hey Doc,


sorry your having to learn the hard way, but I still love you. I have
been disowned because I help tell the truth, just like the original
poster is trying to do.

30 sec clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5I7NFracPU