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Topic: Pork or the Rat
anoasis's photo
Mon 08/25/08 02:20 PM


I would think you might be able to get a ham sandwich in the christian sections, there are also many agnostic or non-practicing jews there who therefore find no reason to obey dietary laws and eat whatever they would like....

FYI- I was curious so I wanted to check out your specific point- I was unable to check the theorhetical question as it appears that there is no Subway in Israel....

hopefully this won't deter anyone from visiting what I'm sure is otherwise a lovely and certainly incredibly culturally fascinating nation....
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LOL, my point was that he was saying that the difference in cancer cases was related to pork. The only way that could be verified is if the only different variable was pork and we all know that isnt the case. I was just being sarcastic.


Me too...

anoasis's photo
Mon 08/25/08 02:21 PM

I would currently kill for a bacon sandwich, so I suppose pork is dangerous to health!


But then it would not be dangerous to your health but that of others.... sort of like second hand smoke?!?!?

no photo
Tue 08/26/08 07:45 AM
According to the bible, the first people were vegetarians. The first two chapters of Genesis tell a story of man and animal being companions, and trees being the source of food. In Genesis chapter 1, verse 29, God commands man to only eat fruits and vegetables.....

Genesis 1:29
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

It is very clear, that right there it says God gave the first people the plants and the trees for food. Some people try to twist this scripture to mean other things, and try to argue that this does not prove people were eating only the fruits and plants. One popular argument is that it was allowing man to eat vegetables as well as meat, but this is wrong. Humans did not meat eat until after the flood. To prove this we need to turn to the 9th chapter of Genesis.....

Genesis 9:3
Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

Now notice God says "just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything". This is proof that before this point, people were only eating fruits and vegetables. At any rate, at this point God allowed man to eat meat, which opens up the argument that abstaining from meat is a subconscious form of questioning God's mercy. This is not true at all. In fact, vegetarians who believe in the bible are merely preparing themselves for heaven. When the kingdom of heaven is established, all beings will become herbivores. Some might argue that we will not need to eat in heaven, but the bible teaches that even in heaven, beings must eat. For example, in Genesis 19:1-3, angels from heaven ate a meal made of bread. So in heaven, beings will continue to eat. The prophet Isaiah gave many descriptions of this kingdom, and all his visions point to all beings being vegetarian. If all beings in heaven are going to be herbivores, then it would be safe to say that vegetarians living today are merely more prepared for that time. Isaiah chapter 11 gives a lengthy description of the peaceful kingdom, and the 65th chapter has a particular verse that strongly supports the idea of a kingdom filled with nothing but herbivores....

Isaiah 65:25
"The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, but dust will be the serpent's food. They will neither hunt nor destroy on all my holy mountain," says the LORD.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/biblical_%20vegetarianism_denis_giron.htm

singlewoodsman's photo
Wed 09/03/08 05:15 PM
vegitarian is indian for poor hunter, i kill my dinner myself,so i know how the animal looked before i eat it

Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 09/04/08 03:34 AM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Thu 09/04/08 03:42 AM
Interesting. Red i have been gone for awhile but thier are way more laws given that just not eating pork or the rat.

It is interesting we must hold on to tradition and reject what the word says.

This is the very reason Yahshua nail to the tree those things or commandments that were against us.

solomon was right thier is nothing new under the sun.

The Jews were blasted by Yahshua for the very thing that is argued on this thread.

We make our own rules. The commandments of men make the commandments of Yahweh of no effect.

Do we believe Prophecy. We must not because Isa 66:17 says those eating pork will be consumed. I guess that is what they want.

Shell fish of any kind is forbidden. Fish with out fins and scales are forbidden.

Both have caused disease outbreaks in this country because they are bottom feeders.

Remember all the samanalia poisining from shell fish from the Gulf of Mexico?

Every year the dept of conservation issues warnings not to eat catfish because they are consuming the pesticides that the farmers put on thier fields and the run off goes to the bottom of the lakes and the catfish become contaminated.

This is in Mo. but i would bet if anyone is on the threads from the corn belt they have seen these warnings on thier local TV stations.

Pork did Yahshua ever eat it? Is he not our example?

pigs were wild then. I guess the herds of pigs that were being raised by the pagans were just wild.

yahshua when coming up on a boy who was throwing himself in the fire and was demon possessed Yahshua told them they could enter the swine.

If those swine even though they killed themselves can be demon possessed then can you have a demon enter you while eating pork?


Why the fighting over Yahweh being wrong?

thats what you are saying.

Whether it be the sabbaths or festivals or anything else did Yahweh not know what he was doing when he said do not eat do not touch?

read about the laws of Mold in the bible. It will get rid of mold or the house was to be destroyed.

How many of us see mold as a small thing?

Yahweh said it was very important not to be around or breathe mold.

This was 4000 years ago the israelites knew more about the dangers of mold than we do today.

Let let our house be full of mold and see how we feel?

Was anything unclean offered for a sacrafice?

7 thing most of the year was offered for the people.

3 things for yahweh. Do you think any priests offered something unclean to Yahweh?

See what happened to the High Priest aarons sons for offering strange fire.

No we need our traditions. We can not find any referense in the scriptures but it has been passed down through the Priests though.

Thier word to most is more important than Yahweh's commandments. Why? Can they save you?

What does 1st 2nd and 3rd John warn about?

What does Malichi warn about?

It is the same today as it was with the Pharasees who were suppose to take care of thier parents in thier old age as we are today.

The priests said it is more prophetable (Corban) to take thier inheritancee earlyand do away with the burden off thier parents. this is where Yahshua Blasted them that they had made the commandments of Yahweh of no effect.

These may not speak of food but it is the same princible.

Once a thief gets by with stealing he will not quit untill he is made to.

yahshua is ccomming as a thief in the night?

What are you going to tell him about his fathers commandments?

May Yahweh Bring His People Knowledge as They are Being Destroyed..Shalom... Miles





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