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Just saying there are instances where a lie will cause less harm than the truth. I see things not as black or white, but shades of gray. Suppose you are planning a surprise for your significant other,(this could be something like a bd party or maybe you are planning to propose and are ring shopping) they notice that you have been gone a lot and ask them what you have been up to. Do you tell the truth and ruin the surprise and all the work you put into it, or do you lie? I personally would lie and then when the surprise happened let them know that I was actually planning that all along. You just like picking arguments...lol. That would be a completely different story than someone lying to be a jerk. I am not picking arguments. Your thread is refers to stating the obvious and you say all lies are bad. My point is they are not. Everything is relative (thank you Einstein). I am not trying to cause trouble, just give an alternate point of view. |
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You say no lies are good, what about when a woman asks you if her outfit makes her look fat and it does. Isn't lying about that appropriate? First of all, if you truely love a woman you will not see her as fat period. Secondly you little trouble maker...lol, its okay to say "Not fat, it just doesn't flatter your beautiful body as much as that other one you had in your hand" or point out one that does flatter her more. In addition, women have different body types so, regardless if she is overweight or not, a particular style or cut may not be the best choice for her body type. Forcus on body type and not weight. Wow you guys dont get the point. Its not the weight issue. Its the things women do, they ask for your opinion on how something looks on them and get mad if you don't give a positive response. Thats all I am referring too. ONLY drama queens do that. Most women are smart enough to either NOT ask at all, or really want a second opinion if they do. Again you are giving a definite. I am sure there are some women out there that wouldn't be drama queens that would be a little hurt with a negative response when asking a similar question. |
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Just saying there are instances where a lie will cause less harm than the truth. I see things not as black or white, but shades of gray. Suppose you are planning a surprise for your significant other,(this could be something like a bd party or maybe you are planning to propose and are ring shopping) they notice that you have been gone a lot and ask them what you have been up to. Do you tell the truth and ruin the surprise and all the work you put into it, or do you lie? I personally would lie and then when the surprise happened let them know that I was actually planning that all along. You just like picking arguments...lol. That would be a completely different story than someone lying to be a jerk. I am not picking arguments. Your thread is refers to stating the obvious and you say all lies are bad. My point is they are not. Everything is relative (thank you Einstein). I am not trying to cause trouble, just give an alternate point of view. Fibbing to suprise someone and lying to outright deceive them are two completely different stories. The thing is, the average person is a pretty good judge of when someone's lying. I think they'd rather "catch" someone lying about a party or engagement then to find them cheating or doing anything else in the line of betrayal. |
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You say no lies are good, what about when a woman asks you if her outfit makes her look fat and it does. Isn't lying about that appropriate? First of all, if you truely love a woman you will not see her as fat period. Secondly you little trouble maker...lol, its okay to say "Not fat, it just doesn't flatter your beautiful body as much as that other one you had in your hand" or point out one that does flatter her more. In addition, women have different body types so, regardless if she is overweight or not, a particular style or cut may not be the best choice for her body type. Forcus on body type and not weight. Wow you guys dont get the point. Its not the weight issue. Its the things women do, they ask for your opinion on how something looks on them and get mad if you don't give a positive response. Thats all I am referring too. ONLY drama queens do that. Most women are smart enough to either NOT ask at all, or really want a second opinion if they do. Again you are giving a definite. I am sure there are some women out there that wouldn't be drama queens that would be a little hurt with a negative response when asking a similar question. I'm no longer going to defend my very well intentioned post. Most people get the drift, you're the only one who seems to have some type of issue with it. |
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Just saying there are instances where a lie will cause less harm than the truth. I see things not as black or white, but shades of gray. Suppose you are planning a surprise for your significant other,(this could be something like a bd party or maybe you are planning to propose and are ring shopping) they notice that you have been gone a lot and ask them what you have been up to. Do you tell the truth and ruin the surprise and all the work you put into it, or do you lie? I personally would lie and then when the surprise happened let them know that I was actually planning that all along. You just like picking arguments...lol. That would be a completely different story than someone lying to be a jerk. I am not picking arguments. Your thread is refers to stating the obvious and you say all lies are bad. My point is they are not. Everything is relative (thank you Einstein). I am not trying to cause trouble, just give an alternate point of view. Fibbing to suprise someone and lying to outright deceive them are two completely different stories. The thing is, the average person is a pretty good judge of when someone's lying. I think they'd rather "catch" someone lying about a party or engagement then to find them cheating or doing anything else in the line of betrayal. I agree, which is why I chose to look at things on a case by case basis than to say all of one thing is good or bad. If people took this philosophy to heart and applied it to other things we could help reduce stereo types and prejudices. |
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You say no lies are good, what about when a woman asks you if her outfit makes her look fat and it does. Isn't lying about that appropriate? First of all, if you truely love a woman you will not see her as fat period. Secondly you little trouble maker...lol, its okay to say "Not fat, it just doesn't flatter your beautiful body as much as that other one you had in your hand" or point out one that does flatter her more. In addition, women have different body types so, regardless if she is overweight or not, a particular style or cut may not be the best choice for her body type. Forcus on body type and not weight. Wow you guys dont get the point. Its not the weight issue. Its the things women do, they ask for your opinion on how something looks on them and get mad if you don't give a positive response. Thats all I am referring too. ONLY drama queens do that. Most women are smart enough to either NOT ask at all, or really want a second opinion if they do. Again you are giving a definite. I am sure there are some women out there that wouldn't be drama queens that would be a little hurt with a negative response when asking a similar question. I'm no longer going to defend my very well intentioned post. Most people get the drift, you're the only one who seems to have some type of issue with it. Well intentioned by stating that everyone lies and we just need to look past it so we can trust them? Prejudging people because of what others have done is not something I consider well intentioned, though stating that we should trust people is good. I think a better message would be that just because someone hurt you in the past doesn't mean the next person will. We are all individuals and all do things differently so you shouldn't prejudge people before you get to know them. Give people a chance and you might be surprised at what you find. |
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You say no lies are good, what about when a woman asks you if her outfit makes her look fat and it does. Isn't lying about that appropriate? First of all, if you truely love a woman you will not see her as fat period. Secondly you little trouble maker...lol, its okay to say "Not fat, it just doesn't flatter your beautiful body as much as that other one you had in your hand" or point out one that does flatter her more. In addition, women have different body types so, regardless if she is overweight or not, a particular style or cut may not be the best choice for her body type. Forcus on body type and not weight. Wow you guys dont get the point. Its not the weight issue. Its the things women do, they ask for your opinion on how something looks on them and get mad if you don't give a positive response. Thats all I am referring too. Actually, I use to work at a women's clothing store (for fun) part time. Women actually appreciated the truth. If something did not look good on the them, we would tell them why & make a recommendation which they always appreciated. It usually had do with the cut, design, or color. Believe it or not, not all women know much about clothing. I didn't until I had worked at the store. |
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You say no lies are good, what about when a woman asks you if her outfit makes her look fat and it does. Isn't lying about that appropriate? First of all, if you truely love a woman you will not see her as fat period. Secondly you little trouble maker...lol, its okay to say "Not fat, it just doesn't flatter your beautiful body as much as that other one you had in your hand" or point out one that does flatter her more. In addition, women have different body types so, regardless if she is overweight or not, a particular style or cut may not be the best choice for her body type. Forcus on body type and not weight. Wow you guys dont get the point. Its not the weight issue. Its the things women do, they ask for your opinion on how something looks on them and get mad if you don't give a positive response. Thats all I am referring too. ONLY drama queens do that. Most women are smart enough to either NOT ask at all, or really want a second opinion if they do. Again you are giving a definite. I am sure there are some women out there that wouldn't be drama queens that would be a little hurt with a negative response when asking a similar question. I'm no longer going to defend my very well intentioned post. Most people get the drift, you're the only one who seems to have some type of issue with it. Well intentioned by stating that everyone lies and we just need to look past it so we can trust them? Prejudging people because of what others have done is not something I consider well intentioned, though stating that we should trust people is good. I think a better message would be that just because someone hurt you in the past doesn't mean the next person will. We are all individuals and all do things differently so you shouldn't prejudge people before you get to know them. Give people a chance and you might be surprised at what you find. "Members of both sexes lie, not all of either one. " What part of that isn't clear? I didn't say all of either one lied!! |
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You say no lies are good, what about when a woman asks you if her outfit makes her look fat and it does. Isn't lying about that appropriate? First of all, if you truely love a woman you will not see her as fat period. Secondly you little trouble maker...lol, its okay to say "Not fat, it just doesn't flatter your beautiful body as much as that other one you had in your hand" or point out one that does flatter her more. In addition, women have different body types so, regardless if she is overweight or not, a particular style or cut may not be the best choice for her body type. Forcus on body type and not weight. Wow you guys dont get the point. Its not the weight issue. Its the things women do, they ask for your opinion on how something looks on them and get mad if you don't give a positive response. Thats all I am referring too. If I ask "does this outfit make me look fat," I want an honest opinion. I'm not fishing for compliments. I'm asking for the truth. If someone told me later something like, "How could you leave the house wearing that," I'd be pretty pissed at you for not telling me the truth.  
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"Lies are lies, none are good"
Is not necessarily true is my main point. You may not have stated that all people lie, but your post comes across as the majority do and if you look hard enough you may find the minority that don't. Thats just how it came across, that might not how it is intended. |
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You say no lies are good, what about when a woman asks you if her outfit makes her look fat and it does. Isn't lying about that appropriate? First of all, if you truely love a woman you will not see her as fat period. Secondly you little trouble maker...lol, its okay to say "Not fat, it just doesn't flatter your beautiful body as much as that other one you had in your hand" or point out one that does flatter her more. In addition, women have different body types so, regardless if she is overweight or not, a particular style or cut may not be the best choice for her body type. Forcus on body type and not weight. Wow you guys dont get the point. Its not the weight issue. Its the things women do, they ask for your opinion on how something looks on them and get mad if you don't give a positive response. Thats all I am referring too. If I ask "does this outfit make me look fat," I want an honest opinion. I'm not fishing for compliments. I'm asking for the truth. If someone told me later something like, "How could you leave the house wearing that," I'd be pretty pissed at you for not telling me the truth.
You may be that way, but I am sure you know others that aren't and who like to fish for compliments. To tell the truth, I give the honest answer because that is the type of person I am and if you get mad then you shouldn't have asked. I don't however try to put it in a rude way. |
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My daughter tells it like it is and MAN does it suck but I would so much rather hear the truth.
She'll say stuff like, "Wow, Mom... that dress shows your chunk over there." I'll look, and sometimes I'll ask if it can be ignored, but she'll say no.
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You say no lies are good, what about when a woman asks you if her outfit makes her look fat and it does. Isn't lying about that appropriate? First of all, if you truely love a woman you will not see her as fat period. Secondly you little trouble maker...lol, its okay to say "Not fat, it just doesn't flatter your beautiful body as much as that other one you had in your hand" or point out one that does flatter her more. In addition, women have different body types so, regardless if she is overweight or not, a particular style or cut may not be the best choice for her body type. Forcus on body type and not weight. Wow you guys dont get the point. Its not the weight issue. Its the things women do, they ask for your opinion on how something looks on them and get mad if you don't give a positive response. Thats all I am referring too. If I ask "does this outfit make me look fat," I want an honest opinion. I'm not fishing for compliments. I'm asking for the truth. If someone told me later something like, "How could you leave the house wearing that," I'd be pretty pissed at you for not telling me the truth.
You may be that way, but I am sure you know others that aren't and who like to fish for compliments. To tell the truth, I give the honest answer because that is the type of person I am and if you get mad then you shouldn't have asked. I don't however try to put it in a rude way. I hate to burst your bubble but, most women are not simply fishing for a compliment which is a self esteem issue. |
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My daughter tells it like it is and MAN does it suck but I would so much rather hear the truth. She'll say stuff like, "Wow, Mom... that dress shows your chunk over there." I'll look, and sometimes I'll ask if it can be ignored, but she'll say no.
got to love kids
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You say no lies are good, what about when a woman asks you if her outfit makes her look fat and it does. Isn't lying about that appropriate? First of all, if you truely love a woman you will not see her as fat period. Secondly you little trouble maker...lol, its okay to say "Not fat, it just doesn't flatter your beautiful body as much as that other one you had in your hand" or point out one that does flatter her more. In addition, women have different body types so, regardless if she is overweight or not, a particular style or cut may not be the best choice for her body type. Forcus on body type and not weight. Wow you guys dont get the point. Its not the weight issue. Its the things women do, they ask for your opinion on how something looks on them and get mad if you don't give a positive response. Thats all I am referring too. If I ask "does this outfit make me look fat," I want an honest opinion. I'm not fishing for compliments. I'm asking for the truth. If someone told me later something like, "How could you leave the house wearing that," I'd be pretty pissed at you for not telling me the truth.
You may be that way, but I am sure you know others that aren't and who like to fish for compliments. To tell the truth, I give the honest answer because that is the type of person I am and if you get mad then you shouldn't have asked. I don't however try to put it in a rude way. I hate to burst your bubble but, most women are not simply fishing for a compliment which is a self esteem issue. Thanks for clearing that up. Good thing you know most women and can speak for them  .
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My daughter tells it like it is and MAN does it suck but I would so much rather hear the truth. She'll say stuff like, "Wow, Mom... that dress shows your chunk over there." I'll look, and sometimes I'll ask if it can be ignored, but she'll say no.
Out of the mouths of babes....lol |
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