JB......indeed all you say is truth as well, so it becomes as truth is a tree, that grows more each day, and if all words are as truth, which i totally agree, then words heard, even the ones not liked, make for the tree to grow continually....

it is often thought that unkind words, or harsh words, are not as truth, but this is only because of human emotion, which dictate what is liked to be heard, but this would stunt growth, and even cause emotional death after some time, just as a tree that only wished for sunshine, and feared the night, and hated the rain would die.........

not all trees grow in the same dirt.

two in the garden do, and they as as different as good vs. evil and life, itself.

but then, not all seeds are the same, and to that end, there are two seeds in man.

yet, these two seeds will not grow in the same dirt, but will germinate like a two-fold metaphor and yet represent a third.

one seed is propogation, the other is grafted into the germinated seed.

thwe first seed when growing is the second seed's greenhouse.

the gardener, who gratfs the second seed into the first ahead of the world's intrusion into it's being is also germinated and tended by the intent of the gardener.

the gardener decides where to plant that second seed when the first seed is no longer viable as host, ergo the greenhouse, for the second seed.

Sometimes the first seed rebels and wants to be the gardener himself and do as it pleases with the second seed.

This is a form of control that is rooted in envy and covetousness.

The second seed may also be ground to a pulp with the permission of the first seed to never germinate at all and deprive the grdener of seeing the second seed sprout.

NOw, one might come to the conclusion that the gardener is a meddler.

One also might come to the conclusion that the first seed is the meddler and a jealous one at that.

Then, the gardener can only be seen as being a tender* nurturer if the second seed is also tended* by the first seed as the gardener shares the tending* and care of the second seed with the first seed.

*(so tend, tender, intent, con'-tent and con-tent' are symbiotic in this example.)


What may be sifted and ground to a pulp may also be nurtured and sprout, and what may render food, either ground or whole, may also be viewed by the gardener as the will and desire of the first seed.

It stands to reason that the first seed has more control over the second seed than the gardener, at first glance.

But it is the outcome imposed on the second seed that determines the outcome of the first seed's will.

If the first seed refuses to co-operate with the second seed's liberties, then the first seed's lliberties will follow intent imposed on the second seed and receive itself the same fate as the second seed unto itself.

That is justice and judgement and wisdom and righteousness.

In that, the gardener has succeeded in sharing nurture and knowledge and understanding that wisdom prevail.

BRAVO! Wouldee...

Jesus would marvel at your parables.

Good soul... er...um ...soil...or is it soul? Either way it's ALL good!

I didn't chew on it.

I didn't want to pulverize it and lose it.

you know how the gardener gets.

JB.......awh, not sure we are on the same page here, as how is condemnation a bad thing?

humans can't live without it, as it is the cause and effect that keep all able to reside toether, lol......

you see it as bad, so proclaim you do not do, which is humanly impossible is it not?

if all things were a equal states, then this would make as equal sight......

condemnation of a man to 30 days communtiy service picking up trash for littering.........a bad thing?

hell no, so the word condemnation is not as a bad word or thing, lol.....

why the thank you?

for what?

if all truth is all words, then all words as equal, none being bad or good, rather all words needed for use in decribing the truth that is happening at all times around us?

what is truth except seeing all that happens, identifying, and conprehending until wisdom, and hearing all noise and first indentifying, then conprehending until wisdom......

identifying is thought to be as wisdom, but only lead to wisdom, when identifying all oneself is be opened up as a book, by hearing all words as equal, that show more truth each one........

if this has not been present in society, as a history of war and unrest would show it has not, then where would the holy grail of more truth be hidden, in front of the eyes as a snake, unlocking any tree to grow to the sky...........

words that are pain, are like a knife to the heart, but they are from any, as from the great surgeon love, that reward each grateful reciever with a perfect heart, that can know the bliss, that a painless heart can feel............peace

well said, david.

The thank you is my gratitude. Your words have made me more aware. I am always grateful for that.

I have alway felt that condemnation was a negitive but you say it is not.. well all things are for learning. If it is not a negative then why did you say:

".. too bad she hears her own wisdom and uses it for condemation of others, lol......."

Why it is "too bad?" then if it is not a bad thing?

JB

Well I suppose we can all be accused of accusing others of using condemnation when all people are pointing out are discrepancies & flaws in what others ar saying.

I think it's better to just state what you are for or what you mean instead of trying to paint someone else as being condemning or insulting is all.

Maybe being short & to the point would be a better form of communicating in the future. Good grammer goes a long way too.

Just sayin...

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awh wouldbee, but hidden within your post lie distain of others seen as rebellious, and as unhearing of wisdom, and why QS loves to hear, for she eats these words daily for bread, and the taste of has become insatiable to her.......

who can be condemed for not hearing so called wisdom?

all words as from all others guide all do they not?

if one speaks and anotrher does ont hear this will always be called by the speaker to the hearer as rebelliousness, lol....

how can this be a spirit of peace and unity?

does this lead to the two trees planted as good and evil and as life becoming as one, no longer having any need for any dirt to grow at all, as now the tree is not rooted in the dirt of the dust of the mind, but rather now in the heavens, from the heart, where all is as wisdom........

indeed, the second birth does provide a white coat, to become dirtied by self righteousness, but this coat is removed by oneself giving it away when it is no longer wanted, and then the wedding supper of the lamb, as a feast of wisdom is had, and the coat be now converted into a coat of many colors, that see all religions and secs of peoples as equal, by seeing HOW one was propelled, and so HOW all are propelled, by more than the conscious will, and for WHAT GOOD REASON the father destiny and truth propelled all, as peoples as children, that were merely mortal, and the understanding of all is taught, and who that has undersrtanding, will make anothers prodical journey as wicked, seeing oneself as not wicked or as eqaul and able to be made to do anything by a "god" that is said to be so powerful that even satan could be controlled.....

so then what man has power over this and is rebellious?

the very word cannot be spoken as an identifier of people by any wisdom except the wisdom of self righteousness.........

all pain and regret of mistakes is converted into wisdom, not a law of religion, by any that see pain and ignorance is the price for ALL wisdom, and this make for true understanding, and not self righteoussness...........

just as jesus said that i and the father are one, and i can do nothing but the will of my father, so is each human that is born, and none be any different, or the words of jesus are used to promomte onself to greater wisdom, creating divisivness and war......

if one has met their own father, that none can resist, would not a knowing of how and why each man cannot resist the will of the father as destiny and the truth be known? if one meet their own father, is not all the father knows now explained to the son?

what are friends except those that can speak with candor and openness about ALL things, and things held back do not make peace, but rather for a greater and greater tension in peoples, as collective energy of tension has great power, to fill a space with energy, by peoples sitting on it, creating more of the same decepetion that kindness can save the world, not seeing only the truth of each spoken can do this..........

Yes...I admit...I have a sense of Humor...something some others might want to get for THEMSELVES.

So now according to David...having a sense of humor is being mean spirited & evil. that's hysterical.

David, since you brought up my name let me tell you something..if you want to be taken seriously you might want to stop with the double talk & say what you mean instead of speaking around things. You sound like a snake oil salesman to me. You also like to point fingers at others...don't you know you have a bunch pointing back at you?

Just sayin'...

You don't have a sense of humor. You laugh at people and mock them. Don't you realize this? Oh I think you do, you just play innocent.



I take him very seriously and you should too. He does not need to change a thing about himself or how he writes.

You Q.S. are the one who points fingers and then you laugh and mock people.

You should stop denying this and stop playing innocent. We can see way past that act. Don't you realize this?

JB

has anyone EVER heard me SAY ANOTHER WAS MEAN SPRITED?
has anyone EVER heard me say another was EVIL?

your perception is not the truth QS, as these are not words used in my speech........

one pointed out leave 3 pointing back.......you love this saying i know, but i do not mind the 3 pointed back at me, as three have more power to guide than one, and three of all pointed back at onself are the more to guide......

but you it seems do not like the 3 pointed back at you, because you do not heed them, and why you say to me to avoid the three, as fear of judgment, and conedemnation, are your greatest friends..........

each human have a playback mode, that playback each time they speak, and condem themself, after another is condemed, and this service of the brain for teaching wisdom hates words of condemnation, as this device work most when one speak, lol.......

indeed three bigger guns are pointed back, but if one accepts this condemantion that comes to oneself naturally by speaking all one sees, then the 3 become as 1 with all others.............

the words written are as neutral and unbiased and uninflametory as possible, but to not speak what each see lead to only half-speech, blind leading the blind, but for the very sake of understanding human nature, all words with as few labels are left out.....

have you heard me say somone was an idiot, or stupid, or delusional, or double minded, or evil or any name?

have you heard me agree with others that say such things?

it seems these are your methods dear QS, and my heart is not your heart QS, and your heart condem you for words you speak from hearing mine, and so you ask me to stop........

this is not bad, but good, as to listen and just say yes to the heart is all that is needed for peace and wisdom...........

no more can your words could come out of my mouth, than my words come out of your mouth......

you speak as you see fit, and each speak as each see fit, and all words make for a merry go round of the truth that spins off all excess words of emotions and more truth is revealed when the merry go round is not tried to be stopped and restricted, my words are not shaped for hearing by the same motive that shapes yours, so they will sound different than your......

why is make up sex so great......because one has gotten out all the crap that is stopping up the wells of love and passion....

why do you wish to not be condemed QS?

because since it was heard as a condemantion, as you used it as a response to feralcat saying my idiot proclamation was all she most ageed with, lol.......so you did not pay heed to it, and look into it for more truth, and recognize it as coming from wisdom and god and truth straight to you.....

this be some of the greatest wisdom not seldom heard mentioned aloud.....


the greatest happiness canont be felt when these are turned outward, as the guide that speak the mind, awaits the heart to answer back the truth that create bliss and utopia, and even is the very third birth, as what come first in a birth but pain of labor..........

who would not pay the price of admission for all happiness if the ture cost was seen and explained........

if all words spoken are as truth in some way, then would not this apply to the ones that come into the mind?

wouldbee.........

if there be some sight, then there must be more information to be heard, and if not enough is heard, then how be any at fault, as even many is jesus day were away, in other lands, and did not hear the words spoken, and also jesus condemed his own diciples, placing them into unrest by his very words, full well knowing peter would deny him in the morning, but still even seeing this was as denying him, loved him anyways the more, not because he has some greatest love, but seems rather because he KNEW more to make him see thru a greater love..........

if a women come to a man, the most powerful in the world, and say to him she is in love with his words, and believe they be as truth, and say she has heard his words and wishes to follow all words, when all words written by each inspired along the way were as words written describing the path of civilization, and say she will devote herself to this man, and love him always, and only speak his words he has spoken all her days, and never speak one that would be dishonoring, then does not this women have no idea of what the man that wrote the book really wants, which is real love of communication of all things the women feels and see and hears............

what human man that love a women want anything but this.....

what human man would like to have such as this for a companion, as would not the man who wrote the words have to hear back his own words every day, a forever telling to the author his own words, some spoken some centiries ago, by a women attempting to do a good service, but not knowing what love be, never giving the man what he seek as love, to know the women, with a true open and honest communication of all of what a women feels and thinks, and what he himself feels and thinks now, fro times current, not as times past, and the essence of all things spoken be as from the same character as described in the book, but never the same repeating words.........

is not this women that come only seeking to please the man, with ideas of what is good, not even knowing yet that all was about mankind as a whole, and not personal, as personal words are spoken lip to ear, and are as such words never spoken to another lover, and individual words, as never heard ever before, and what human man would be happy without the same, at least after youth is expired, and if a human man does not want ideas and pretenses of knowledge of that which is good and evil to be served up as a sacrifice of love, then how much more a god, or angel, that has each ones destiny in it's mouth, just as jesus heard his, and if the "father" has many times more wisdom and understanding than mortal, would not this be only a wish to be spoken to as a real human, as a real friend, leaving out defintions of pretenses of what is pleasing and wanted........

is not this fakery and even boredom of repetition, and what real words could one hear from their own father or angel if one who hears them run from half of them, feeling as naked and bad, and try to cover with fig leaves of the fig tree of religion and rightness, lol........

did not jesus curse the fig tree going up the hill, and when asked said it was only because he WANTED to, not quoting some scripture or reason at all even to his own diciples..........

there be no need, as this has no purpose of the love of owns own angel to be allowed to be described even to onself, and so a knowing of oneself, and understanding of oneself, and if this cannot be had, this certainally seem to proclude any understanding of others to be had.........

was not the very first sin that created all others running from truth or god in the garden, by hearing the tree of knowledge of good and evil the mind speak, and percieving it as evil in the mind, making one run from god or truth, and if sin is to be torn down, by seeing more, then would not the very first root sin that create all others need to be reocognized first, as this make the second greatest sin to come to past, as blame, so then when words of truth come in the mind, and if not heeded as they are spoken to oneself, they be used as blame, which keep from re-admission back into the garden, where all was heard with no hiding, or no fear.......

does not this descibe just simple human nature, as lookign into the minds of man.......

but once the words spoken, "if you eat of the tree you shall surely die" was heard in the mind of all men, as prophecied, by the sopry of adam as all men, each ran to acomplish some good, and ofrce the women to do good, to not be killed, tring with righteouss avail to overt eternal death, but not waiting and asking what this meant, as then it oculd have been explained, but instead adam blamed the women for making him srtuggle by not suporting him, and for not doing what he thought was right, and what has changed in this even to today......

seems adam was the one first to blame, as the women had courage to admit what she was and did, but of course there was a reason, since each born is kicked is a kicked from the garden, to gather experience to be turned to wisdom, and this be by adam was lacking in the INFORMATION NEEDED TO NOT BE AFRAID, as it was not time, or mankind would not have crawed to understanding over many centuries, but indeed, if man hear now the things kept hidden from him since the begining of time, then it would seem this would indicate what time was at hand now, and where in time civilization is, and what then come as next for the glory of bliss to be created in all, and how to achieve this ending of all wars and strife amoungst all mankind, and how to bring all to peace, and to a greater love that each seek so desperatly to bestow upon their fellow man, but cannot find nor have until the understanding of the purpose of a single women and man as all being adam and eve be understood............

ideas, ideas, ideas, that as the mind turn hearing all, bring more new ones as heard from a lover, ones that have never been heard before, but change not one jot or tittle of all that was ever inspired to be spoken along the path, as a guide of love............

indeed if the truth that quicken is heard, there is a quickening even of the breath of a man, and of the step, even to pace in circles of understanding being heard, some by fear to believe heresy, but no doubt it be the desire of the heart of any man born to walk in perfect love and union as one with a women, and it was spoken that god give a man the desires of his heart, and no merit can earn, so this be as already having been fulfilled, just not yet realized by "hearing a second time, as all believing of anything is".........

indeed mankind shall be suprised to find true that all was spoken to purpose the wisdom of man to love a women, and that no purpose was ever spoken as a commmandment of how to be good......

david,

The Father and the Son have both already said that which I said, and were it not for the Father and the Son having said it again through me as only an echo of that which they say for themselves, being one, then the rebellion is not my depiction, nor is the disdain mine.

Unless you would preclude me as being presumptuous and irresponnsible in that regard.

As for the selfrighteousness, i expect that it can be seen as that if just me speaking out off the top of my head.

Quickstepper may very well have recognized what I wrote as an echo of that which she has come to know.

Ask her about that.

I posted it also in the coffeehouse and quite a different reception than yours was met by it there.

In addition, my post elicited some remembrances that may be similar to the echo my words are to QS in this thread.

One of those affirmations led me to another site, privately shared, whoch I chose to post because it comforted me.

Were I to post something as knowingly lifted from another, believing myself led by the Holy Spirit and not men, then it can be inferred that my delight was kindled to see that I am not alone in my poersonal revelation of the depth of God'' words in my heart in truth.

As to what my post means, well, it means what it says it means quite simply.

I do not know how else to put it other than I have.

If it remains hidden to you and unapparent, I can only offer that you might study it deeper and contemplate it more fully if you are sincere in grasping it.

Most, assuredly, will not.

I believe you will.

That is why I posted it, my friend.

david,

simply put, when the Holy Spirit comes upon you just as jesus depicts and paul teaches, and the others affirm from the beginning, then you will know where the answer is

The woman you described at the top of your post?. She is the church that knows the heart of her husband and all that is in it.

Thus obedience is an echo.

But the trust in the oneness of the voice of God.

True submission of the weaker vessel recognizes the submission of the stronger vessel to the same authority found in the voice and presence of the same God in each heart.

There, the oneness is.

Though the weaker may be so, she is not. her strength is the man which is her. He is soft and gentle, which is she.

They are one, in Chirst. But only as a metaphor of something gresater.

However, the fulness of joy by the experience of the lesser metaphor and its employ is no less than the fulness of Joy in God.

Joy unspeakable., anchored in a sure hope.

indeed all you say is as each word spoken from all, a guide bringing all to the oneness of the heart and mind.....

all your post is as it is supposed to be, as each word spoken, and as each grow each day, as every flower of the field that is alive, so do all as they exchange all words spoken and discard with hearing, more that which did not bring true everlasting peace for all........

the more answers heard from all words brings more increased perception of the sight of the truth, peered thru seeing with full confidence how all peoples and nations and secs were led as lambs to the slaughter, for the price of bliss and wisdom, and innocence rings thru the land, and laughter and tears of unblief, as a gold truth reveal the heaven in the story, and it be told one and all is guiltless, and the fire ignite as mr morrison once sang, and brother springsteen of dancing in the dark with no fear, as mr plant climbed the stairway to heaven, and mr lennon seen the vision of the imagination of no heaven and no hell, and mr daughtry seen he had not seen her, and kid the rock of the sweet summer, and as the peace and joy of the essence of the latter rain of holiness that seen peoples of evil and good fades away, the view is increased, and the sight of the eyes are dazzeled, and the view is blissful, and the eyes dance with spirit of fire, as the innocence of all as the prize the holy grail made comes into focus, and the truth lead with strong gentle hands, to the oneness of the spirit of energy of the truth, and peace is amoung all mankind, and not one is dropped, nor one hair cinghed, and each tongue and heart is loosed, and the law that hollered and led astray, is gaged and bound, and dropped as a millstone to bottom of the sea, and all tears are wiped away with eyesight, and hearts gain courage as the lion of the tribe of judah roars forth the truth, leave em alone, they are free forever more........peace my awesome family

indeed the women is the church, but obediance had no place with jesus, as the one of the leaders of the church of love, as he commanded the text of obediance the law, satan his mind tried to give, to get behind him, as to say YOU are not my guide as to what love be, or the truth is, but rather my heart, as god as truth give each the desires of the heart as prophecied, and no human if seeing the sun can forget, nor not know, and if any see the same son as truth, neither can this be not known or rebelled against, and the mind that impose the law was called as satan, that decieve the church the women, and make her into a harlot, as a whore that seek to please a man for merit as money, so has the church done, thinking that her husband god the truth wish for obediance offering up fruits of labor as cain......

if NO HUMAN MAN WITH WISDOM WISH FOR OBEDIANCE FROM HIS WIFE, THEN WHAT GOD OR TRUTH WISH FOR OBEDIANCE FROM HIS WIFE, as love need never speak a command, as the dersire of the heart be only to share ALL, as if the truth make one free, then no law will allow such freedom, and corrupt the truth of love, and make it as filthy rags offered up, and as moses brought the law, and jesus came and smote it with actions and words of the heart, and did not see outward the real people as evil, but rather only the professors of the law of the harlot church, that held up the law as a goodness for themselves, and in so doing, corrupted the truth, and used it to peer thru with beady eyes of holiness, and this revealed no marriage was had with the sight of god, as the truth, that all men in the sight of god are seen as EQUAL, and if the father was not willing one should perish, than what that is married to the father will think it has found all truth if it's truth does not provide the same perception of eyesight to be seen as gods, and as the glass darkly that seen as dark and light people, and good and evil people, is forever banished when the wedding supper of wisdom has been laid forth, and the feast of love of solomons wisdom shatter the illusion of darkness, and the women esther the love church sees, and gives up herself with great risk, and walks to the king, and the love of the peoples causes the sceptor of truth to be extended, and the bridegoom as prophecied looses the mysteries sealed up, and unveils the truth of the love of god, and the law is sunk as the great ship the titanic, to the bottom of the ocean floor in 1912, where all things religious that seperate men and are called as unsinkable truths are sunk, and hamon with the law of "bow to the king", is amazed when the king is not pleased with the self seeking sacrifice of self glory, and the love of easter was what he sought, and hamnon is hung upon the gallows that were built by holiness spirits for all peoples that did not bow, and the harlot the church is dead, and abracadabra the doors of the hearts fling open, and peoples of all secs and colors and creeds run forth, and peace and singing fill the streets, and love is alive, as never felt in a mortal time, and smiless are everywhere............