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Tue 07/29/08 05:46 PM
I am interested in knowing some of the creatures that have been written in the bible?

As far as I know we know of a Lucifer who is or was an angel and became a demon or devil? Is this correct?

Are there other beasts, monsters, or demons that have also been witnessed or written in the bible?

Thanks for the information!

John

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Tue 07/29/08 05:52 PM
Edited by Abracadabra on Tue 07/29/08 05:53 PM
God tells Job that he created a flame-breathing beast in the book of Job (a dragon?)

There are also dragons in the book of Revelations, but I think those dragons are considered to be metaphors.

Don't forget the obvious winged angels. bigsmile

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Tue 07/29/08 05:52 PM

I am interested in knowing some of the creatures that have been written in the bible?

As far as I know we know of a Lucifer who is or was an angel and became a demon or devil? Is this correct?

Are there other beasts, monsters, or demons that have also been witnessed or written in the bible?

Thanks for the information!

John


Demon is a term used to describe a fallen angel. Lucifer is a term that refers to the morning star, it's not the name of a fallen angel. The devil, aka Satan, is a fallen angel, hence a demon.

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Tue 07/29/08 05:56 PM
Ok, Let's see.

Unicorns - Were there Unicorns? Weren't they on Noah's ark? mmm, What about pan, the half man half horse, oh wait was that another myth?

Well, all I can say is, look in the book of Revelations - there you will find many beasts, however, how they are defined and what they look like are codes that only the chosen (who hear god through the holy spirit)can understand. Some say one of the beast is the United States. It all rather like trying to interpret Nostrodamous, you know Hister, the Eagle all that stuff. Who really knows?


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Tue 07/29/08 05:57 PM

God tells Job that he created a flame-breathing beast in the book of Job (a dragon?)

There are also dragons in the book of Revelations, but I think those dragons are considered to be metaphors.

Don't forget the obvious winged angels. bigsmile


hmmm interesting if dragons were written in the bible, but as you said it is a metaphor!

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Tue 07/29/08 05:58 PM


I am interested in knowing some of the creatures that have been written in the bible?

As far as I know we know of a Lucifer who is or was an angel and became a demon or devil? Is this correct?

Are there other beasts, monsters, or demons that have also been witnessed or written in the bible?

Thanks for the information!

John


Demon is a term used to describe a fallen angel. Lucifer is a term that refers to the morning star, it's not the name of a fallen angel. The devil, aka Satan, is a fallen angel, hence a demon.


Thank you for the explanation

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Tue 07/29/08 05:58 PM

Ok, Let's see.

Unicorns - Were there Unicorns? Weren't they on Noah's ark? mmm, What about pan, the half man half horse, oh wait was that another myth?

Well, all I can say is, look in the book of Revelations - there you will find many beasts, however, how they are defined and what they look like are codes that only the chosen (who hear god through the holy spirit)can understand. Some say one of the beast is the United States. It all rather like trying to interpret Nostrodamous, you know Hister, the Eagle all that stuff. Who really knows?




okay what ashame I can't find out more then this! Okay well Unicorn sounds promising!laugh

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Tue 07/29/08 06:07 PM

Ok, Let's see.

Unicorns - Were there Unicorns? Weren't they on Noah's ark? mmm, What about pan, the half man half horse, oh wait was that another myth?

Well, all I can say is, look in the book of Revelations - there you will find many beasts, however, how they are defined and what they look like are codes that only the chosen (who hear god through the holy spirit)can understand. Some say one of the beast is the United States. It all rather like trying to interpret Nostrodamous, you know Hister, the Eagle all that stuff. Who really knows?




Lot's of people in the middle east had stories of re'em (called unicorns in KJV). They were a type of aggressive wild ox. They were hunted into extinction. They didn't have one horn, the Assyrians always depicted them from the side, which means they were always drawn with only one horn. Re'em to the Hebrews, Rumu to the Assyrians, in both cases they were named for their depictions (with one horn) in Assyrian art.

sa‘ir was translated satyr in KJV, but it referred to a goat idol, not a half-man / half-goat.

In neither case is a mythical creature being discussed.

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Tue 07/29/08 06:17 PM
I am sure there are many animals that lived 2000 years ago that are now none existent today. Perhaps such mythological creatures did exist that we don't find plausible today?

Unicorns
Dragons
types of oxes or bulls

etc.etc.

What does the Bible say exactly and is it in a writing that could have many different meanings when it comes to mythological creatures or demons? Is there a vision of somesort?

Was Lucifer handsome and not this demon that most would envision with red skin, horns and a tail. Maybe wings?

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Tue 07/29/08 06:18 PM

I am sure there are many animals that lived 2000 years ago that are now none existent today. Perhaps such mythological creatures did exist that we don't find plausible today?

Unicorns
Dragons
types of oxes or bulls

etc.etc.

What does the Bible say exactly and is it in a writing that could have many different meanings when it comes to mythological creatures or demons? Is there a vision of somesort?

Was Lucifer handsome and not this demon that most would envision with red skin, horns and a tail. Maybe wings?


The Bible doesn't describe Satan's appearance other than to say that he can appear as an angel of light.

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Tue 07/29/08 06:23 PM


I am sure there are many animals that lived 2000 years ago that are now none existent today. Perhaps such mythological creatures did exist that we don't find plausible today?

Unicorns
Dragons
types of oxes or bulls

etc.etc.

What does the Bible say exactly and is it in a writing that could have many different meanings when it comes to mythological creatures or demons? Is there a vision of somesort?

Was Lucifer handsome and not this demon that most would envision with red skin, horns and a tail. Maybe wings?


The Bible doesn't describe Satan's appearance other than to say that he can appear as an angel of light.


so sort of disguised one would say perhaps??

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Tue 07/29/08 06:52 PM
seems lucifer was said to be as the fairest of all the angels also.......

also a beast was spoken of that was said to be so alluring that all the world marveled at.........

also said that when the books of life are opended, dragons with eyes all around, come forth........

also men that wear breastplates, and have tails as scorpions, and shining teeth as gold, and make the sound of many chariots............

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Tue 07/29/08 07:32 PM
you have both the "Behemoth" and the "Leviathan"

Job - chpt: 40-41

Behemoth is said to eat grass like an ox,and low his strength is in loins and his force is in the navel of his belly. - he moveth his tail like a cedar( a tree reaching heights over 100 ft) his bones as are as strong pieces of brass and like bars of iron.beholdeth, he drinketh up a river and hasten not (thirsty little booger) he trust he can draw up the Jordan river in his mouth. he taketh it with his eyes his nose pieceth through snares.

leviathan:

None is "so fierce" that dare stir him up (arouse him), who can open the doors of his face his teeth are terrible round about. his scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal. one is so near to another no air can come between.
Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out, out of his nostrils goeth smoke, his breath kindle coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. his heart is as firm as stone when he raises himself up the mighy are afraid.nithe spear,dart,or sword can hurt him, he reguards not iron to him it is as straw, and brass is as rotten wood, the arrow can not make him flee, he luaghs at the shaking of the spear, he maketh the deep to boil like a pot - upon the earth there is none like him, that who is made without "fear", he is king over all the children of "pride"

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Tue 07/29/08 07:49 PM
leviathan:

Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out, out of his nostrils goeth smoke, his breath kindle coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.


Yes, that's it. Sure sounds like a fire-breathing dragon to me. It's a fire-breathing something. bigsmile

And this came directly from the mouth of God supposedly. This was supposed to be God talking to Job.

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Tue 07/29/08 07:52 PM

leviathan:

Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out, out of his nostrils goeth smoke, his breath kindle coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.


Yes, that's it. Sure sounds like a fire-breathing dragon to me. It's a fire-breathing something. bigsmile

And this came directly from the mouth of God supposedly. This was supposed to be God talking to Job.


yep sure was.

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Tue 07/29/08 08:46 PM


God tells Job that he created a flame-breathing beast in the book of Job (a dragon?)


hmmm interesting if dragons were written in the bible, but as you said it is a metaphor!


The one described in Job isn't a metaphor. What would it be a metaphor for? Clearly God is speaking directly to Job when he's telling Job that he (God) was responsible for creating this fire-breathing beast that supposedly Job was aware of.

It wouldn't make much sense if Job wasn't aware of this animal, because of the way that God is speaking to Job. The conversation suggests that Job should know which animal God is referring to. And it's clearly not a metaphor.

I don't see how it could be claimed to be a metaphor for something else.

In the metaphors occur in Revelations. Revelations is supposed to be a dream anyway (or a vision). The conversation between God and Job is an entirely different thing. There's reason to think that would be a metaphor. There's absolutely nothing to equate it to.

God seems to be telling Job that if he can create this fire-breathing animal that no man can tame Job should understand that God has absolute power and can do all things.

But why claim to have created a fire-breathing animal if he didn't actually create one? It seems to me that this is God claiming that this animal actually exists and that Job should know which animal he's referring to.

That's my take on it. You can read it for yourself.

Tribo cited the exact verses. But if you want a simple English translation version you can check this one out,...


http://www.easyenglish.info/english-learners-bible/job-taw.htm

God starts speaking to job in Chapter 40

In chapter 41 he talks about the Leviathan

No metaphors here. He's talking directly about an animal that he supposedly created and that Job supposedly should be familiar with.


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Tue 07/29/08 08:48 PM
gotta love people who claim no God yet spam the Religion topics =)

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Tue 07/29/08 08:49 PM
Whats a dragon?

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Tue 07/29/08 08:54 PM

gotta love people who claim no God yet spam the Religion topics =)



yep, gotta love everybody correct?

even you - smiles

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Tue 07/29/08 08:56 PM


gotta love people who claim no God yet spam the Religion topics =)



yep, gotta love everybody correct?

even you - smiles


Odly and ironic enough people love to question as thought they know, however still roam around lurking spiting evil venmon, yet they still post asking why? Seems to me people arnt so non-religious after all?

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