I received this email from my mother, who really needs a reality check.

I want to apologize to everyone before reading this as it is a prejudice bigoted hate mail of the worst kind. But it is what people are buying into in this country and people need to be made aware that they are participating in prejudice hatemongering and fearmongering when they entertain these type of ideals, conversations, etc....


"Professor Wichman E-mail

Claim: A Michigan professor sent an e-mail telling Muslim students to leave the country.

Status: True. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wichman.asp


The story begins at Michigan State University

with a mechanical engineering professor named

Indrek Wichman.



Wichman sent an e-mail to the Muslim Student's Association.

The e-mail was in response to the students' protest

of the Danish cartoons

that portrayed the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist.

The group had complained the cartoons were

'hate speech'

Enter Professor Wichman.

In his e-mail, he said the following:

Dear Moslem Association,

As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU

I intend to protest your protest.

I am offended not by cartoons,

but by more mundane things like beheadings of civilians,

cowardly attacks on public buildings, suicide murders,

murders of Catholic priests

(the latest in Turkey ),

burnings of Christian churches,

the continued persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt ,

the imposition of Sharia law on non-Muslims,

the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women

(called 'whores' in your culture),

the murder of film directors in Holland ,

and the rioting and looting in Paris France .

This is what offends me,

a soft-spoken person and academic,

and many, many of my colleagues.

I counsel you dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal,

and uncivilized slave-trading Moslems

to be very aware of this as you proceed

with your infantile 'protests.'

If you do not like the values of the West

- see the 1st Amendment -

you are free to leave.

I hope for God's sake

that most of you choose that option.

Please return to your ancestral homelands

and build them up yourselves instead of troubling Americans.

Cordially,
I. S. Wichman
Professor of Mechanical Engineering


As you can imagine,

the Muslim group at the university didn't like this too well.

They're demanding that Wichman be reprimanded

and the university impose mandatory diversity training for faculty

and mandate a seminar on hate and discrimination for all freshmen.


Now the local chapter of CAIR has jumped into the fray.

CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations,

apparently doesn't believe that the good professor

had the right to express his opinion.

For its part,

the university is standing its ground

in support of Professor Wichman,

saying the e-mail was private,

and they don't intend to publicly condemn his remarks."

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If you are asking why this is fearmongering and hatemongering then you may be one of the gullible ones in this country buying into this hatred.

The reason this is prejudice is because not all muslims are extremists, just like all christians are not abortion clinic bombers, religious killers, etc..... Second reason is that terrorists, unlike babyshrubs brainwashing of this country, are not arabic. Terrorists come in every background, race, religious back ground, etc.......

And also the students and muslims are right, the cartoon is prejudice. How would christians like a pic of Jesus with bombs strapped on his back about to bomb an abortion clinic?

I would have to say that both parties are in the wrong. it is again freedom of the press with the cartoon, but the professor could have been more professional with his letter. as far as I know Muhammad being portrayed as a terrorist does not fall under slander in the legal since.

Since when did you become a scholar and a lawyer ?. .

are you one?

I don't believe I said anything about slander or it being illegal, did I?

I said hatemongering, fearmongering, prejudice, bigoted, etc...

and I also said that both parties are in the wrong. you are trying to say that the only one in the wrong is the proffesor. this isn't the case

Did you forget your comment following my post about a woman crying in a church ?.
How hypocrite people can be from one day to another .

How is protesting the cartoon, illegal or slander or for that matter wrong?

??? what? that doesn't even makes sense? there is no question of religion here, this is law.

I didn't say that protesting it was wrong. they can protest it all they want. that doesn't mean that anything will happen to it. we are talking about law. slander can be removed from print. as far as i know that doesn't fall under slander. and for that matter, I guess I have to say that if you think about it, noone was in the wrong. all articals in question are opinion based.

So protesting their beloved prophet being portrayed as a terrorist is the same as the hatefilled email the professor sent? Not even close.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention 'dragoness'.

It is a perfect example of a serious disease contaminating US society.

One of the greatest challenges of our time, in western societies and in the US in particular, will be the measure by which we learn and succeed to welcome and live powerfully with people from the rest of this global village, we call our planet.

The forefathers of the US, while having to deal with the challenge of their times, either had great vision, or were plain lucky, when they wrote the first amendment of the constitution, dealing with SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

The hate and fearmongering you are correctly pointing out in the case above, is 100% religious intolerance based. Mixing law, governing and religion will never make for a 'happy meal'!!!

A christian professor flogging bigoted, primitive and barbaric racist slurs at 'AMERICAN STUDENTS'!!!

'... Both wrong...' laidroccordial writes hastily???

Since when is it wrong for Americans students to protest???

Please 'laidroccordial', and with all due respect, get on the side of the solution here!!!

And since when does a university professor become judge and jury with respect to the perfectly legitimate nature of students right to protest, afforded them by the same ammendment of the constitution garanteeing 'free speech' (read right of assembly, rigt of dissent; AKA right to protest).

The point I believe 'dragoness' is making with this piece when she says :

'... But it is what people are buying into in this country and people need to be made aware that they are participating in prejudice hatemongering and fearmongering when they entertain these type of ideals, conversations, etc...'

... is that when people sink in such low-life exercises as bigotery and hatemongering, they are certainly not investing themselves in the distinctions of acceptance, and living powerfully together afforded by the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE principles of the constitution!!!

The US needs to shift real fast,
... from an asphyxiating 'xenophobic' agenda, as demonstrated by this message 'dragoness' has posted, and many others that crawl like slime on these forums and elsewhere,
... to a grounded and open-minded spirit and determination to accept change as a gift, rather than as a plague.

Lowering the volume of religion dogma in the public arena would be a formidable jump start.

The forefathers of your great nation gave you the tools to do it, more than 200 years ago.

Time for the laggers to catch up!!!

Exactly!!

everyone is missing the big picture

if and i say IF

you keep the """"PEOPLE"""" fighting among themselves

then the """PEOPLE""" are distracted from

what the govt is really doing

like passing the patriot act of 2001 (google it as written)

you get everyone hating something and then the govt

can pass legislation to """protect you from that which you hate"""

and in the process you lose a few more rights and liberties

everyone should be judged on their own merits

there are good and bad in every sect of every society

We're not missing the big picture!!!

Take religion out of the public arena!!! People will stop hating and fighting each other, and will focus their collective energy and neurones in showing the world, how the people, when it unites, kicks their public institutions to serve the people's higher purpose agenda, rather than the primitive and barbaric 'conquer and divide' agenda of old, which governments have been fully exploiting for centuries.

Give 'em games!!!

Give 'em cake!!!

Give 'em a crusade against terrorists!!!

Take the religion out of the public arena. The wisdom of 'free thinking people' shall quickly claim back its governments as the PUBLIC SERVICE THAT IT OUGHT TO BE!!!

I dont see his letter as hate mongering, fear mongering, prejudice, bigoted, or any of the above or conceived.

I see it as a statement in reality!
If they dont appreciate freedom of speech as practiced in the west, the cartoon isnt from here, then let them go home!
How is that prejudiced?
Freedom of speech as they are protesting by protesting this cartoon is a right guaranteed in our constitution. They can protest it all day, but it wont do any good. Do they think they will change our constitution by protesting?
Not!!
If they do and cant live by our constitution then that leaves one last choice.
Leave, and that's reality as the Professor stated correctly!!

He wasnt telling them to get out or else. He was just saying if you cant live with our constitution then maybe you should leave!

I disagree with you here my friend.
Who brought the religious dogma into the debate?
The Professor?
I dont think so, more like the Muslims.
Their protest is religious based, and made possible by utilizing our constitutional rights of freedom of speech.

Now, some want to say the Professor is a bigot for his use of the same constitutional right. (probably the same group)

Stating facts about the be-headings and killings done by Muslims around the world is not a racist remark.
While not all Muslims are guilty of this way too many are, and the professor was just stating fact.
Why should the Professor lose his right to freedom of speech?

Arent the students, by protesting the right to free speech for their religion's sake, contradicting that same right by so eagerly practicing it in the first place?

If you ask me they are abusing our rights and taking advantage of our rights for their own bigoted selfish reasons!

The Professor is just giving them a POLITE reality check, and some people just dont get it!

Fanta,

This is interesting. First time I find myself facing you in a debate!!!

As for your rebuttal, let me just point out that it is confusing the 'right to protest', with that which it is 'protesting against'.

It is the exact mistake of genre that our distinguished Professor made.

Here's what I mean.

If those American students had asked me to protest against the Danes caricatures, I would have declined their invitation, pointing out to them that I found nothing for myself which would motivate MY need to protest.

By the same token, it would never have occurred to me that they didn't have a right to protest. On what basis? You suggest free-speech. That is not right.

I can protest against something someone said and that doesn't rob anyone of his or her free speech!!!

On whta other basis then???

Protesting is not condemning. Protesting is voicing your 'opinion' against a particular issue. Whether of a religious, environmental, economic, social or other, matters none.

It is voicing one's opinion against something. That is a fundamental right period. I can say something. And you can say something else, opposing what I just said, which by the way is exactly what your an I are doing right now.

Freedom of speech in full action. With respect and admiration on top of it all.

Back to our students, even if I don't agree with the basis of their protest, I will unquestionably defend their right to hold a protest and voice their opinion on any issue they deem of importance. And I will remind that professor to stand for their right as well.

And if we don't all wake-up and do just that, one day some professor, or group of students will come up to each of us, and tell us we no longer have the right to protest for that which we feel motivated to protest against.

Defending that right my friend, is of much greater importance and value, than any religious principle, whether of Muslim, Jewish, Veda, or Christian origins.

I repeat,

I DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO THE STUDENTS MOTIVE FOR PROTESTING,

but defend their right to protest 100%,

I would unconditionally remind the professor that he doesn't have a constitutional leg to stand on, suggesting that the students have no right to protest.

And suggest instead that we launch a major march to promote and celebrate CARICATURAL FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION: WHICH COULD GO AS FAR AS A CRICATURE OF JESUS-CHRIST WITH A BOMB-BELT, BLOWING-UP AN ABORTION CLINIC IN THE PAGES OF A MIDDLE-EAST DAILY.

One's right to voice an opinion against anything, his not negotiable. The protest may not amount to anything in the end, but the right to voice an opinion is unalienatable.

Now just cross the floor, and claim your old chair, behind our pulpit!!!

The robbing of free speech, and the only robbing being done, is by trying to get the Professor fired and calling him a bigot to boot!

I could care less about the Muslim students protest, but it was that protest and only that protest which constitutes religious dogma in either opinion.

Because the Professor mentions the killing of Catholic Priests, and other crimes against humanity committed by Muslims worldwide, as a statement of fact does not justify the label religious dogma.

He showed a little anger in his statements but that is reality. A lot of people are angered by these actions.

The students who protest need reality, as their contradicting protest proves!

How can you justifiably protest against freedom of speech while utilizing that same freedom to do so without it coming back to bite you in the Arse?

That is exactly what those students the Professor is addressing and Muslims in Europe are doing when they protest the effigy of Mohammed used in a cartoon.

They are abusing the good will and laws of a free society with their religious dogma and showing their own bigotry.

Not the Professor, and I applaud his employers for standing behind him.