good grief!

symbelmyne,

You do realize that this forum is for discussing religion, right? I'm simply suggesting that instead of insulting each other's beliefs, we could all just talk about how we feel about our own beliefs.

I mean, I could run from thread to thread accusing everyone of being a Satanist and quoting verses about how sinners will be punished and calling everyone a fool and quoting proverbs. I really can do that, I can do that all day. I can talk about lepers and damnation and curses and all kinds of great stuff. Or I can just say that your beliefs are stupid and anyone who believes them must be stupid. Oh, I could do that all day and it would accomplish nothing but piss people off and annoy the moderators and admins with all of the emails and reports they would get.

Do you get the point? Can't we all just agree to respectfully ask questions to one another and speak in glowing terms about the truth we find in our beliefs? What is accomplished by a post insulting Christians or Muslims or Jews? You claim to be a Jew, didn't you know that Jews aren't supposed to insult the beliefs of others? Jews are told to respect the non-Jews, but never deny their own beliefs? Why are you challenging me on this, when it's what has been practiced by Jews for the past 3300 years?

ok..to not make things more complicated so that you can clearly understand we will use the "Christian" concept of God

DISCLAIMER:
I {funches} are only using the christian god so "Spidercmb" can clearly understand the concept so the moderators won't delete it or send me e-mail ..I get more e-mail from them than from the mutual matches

ok "Spidercmb" since Jane's Husband is God..he will threaten and promise the other women that he will burn them in his open pit bar-b-q if they do not worship or submit to him ...the other women may think he is insane and delusional and may be scared of being harmed by him so they make take out a restraining order against Jane's Husband

I know what a restraining order is. I know why someone would get one. What does the restraining order stand for in this analogy?

Why do you insist on saying that God plans to torture people who the Bible says the opposite? I'm very confused by you. You put items into analogies that have no analog and you repeat incorrect statements about Christianity.

Spider, you take everything way too personal.

I couldn't care less what you personally believe.

I speak to the issue of organized religions and their doctrines.

If it bothers you on a personal level to discuss religious issues generically you'd do yourself a huge favor by simply not participating on religious discussion forums.

That's a personal choice on your part.

You're totally out of line trying to claim personal foul and insult every time other people explain why they don't buy into the idea that a particular doctrine is the word of God.

If people had to refrain from doing that because it would be considered to be "insulting" then we'd no longer have freedom of speech.

And your so-called "analogy" isn't even close to being an analogy for the reason that Funches gave.

You are more than welcome to praise Jesus until the cows come home. When you cross the line is when you tell me that I'm lost without him, or that I'm somehow in defiance of God for not believing like you do. So Funches is perfectly correct. You're so-called "analogy" is no analogy at all because the woman isn't proclaiming that everyone else has to marry her husband or face the wrath of God.

You're just trying to make out like everyone who doesn't agree with you is a big bully and they are just mean hateful people.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

That poor woman is miserably and desperately co-dependent, and sadly submissive. Those conditions are common in our modern societies, and are considered normal, but are nonetheless mild to serious delusional mental disorders.

The relationship is decidedly unhealthy, and if she were in my circle of friends, I would uncompromisingly and compassionaltely suggest and support her to snap-out of this state of regression, and restore wholeness of her own self, ... and reconquer sovereignty over her life.

Abdication of 'self', and substitution of such with some unhealthy compulsive 'dependent compensation', is never good news, and is never 'true'.

NEVER MIND EVER FINDING THE TRUTH IN SUCH DESPERATE QUEST! We've got to support a person in such a state to restore balance in 'self', and get back to a mentally sain perspective of life.


DISLAIMER:
This is my personnal observation of the OP 'analogy'. It doesn't constitute, neither should be perceived as an insult, personnal attack, editoprial comment on one's personnal choce of beliefs, or religious convictions. Anyone feeling they might be personnally targeted by the comment above is sikmply and categorically mistaken, and this poster will not entertain their delusion in any way shape or form. With all due respect.

So you understood Funches analogy? Could you explain what the "restraining order" is? What is the analog of the restraining order?

Wife = believers
Husband = god or belief
restraining order = ???

Thanks for your input.

I want to some day find a woman whom I can talk about in such glowing terms and I hope that she can talk about me with the same terms.

Here are some of my thoughts... http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/148239

the restraining order is the analogy for the "Free Will" not to be harassed or tortured by Jane's husband simply because the other women choose not to submit to him



did God create Hell not to torture people? ..or did God create hell to use as a screen saver on his Heaven's computer ..no need to deny the obvious



"Spidercmb"..it's amazing that you left out what the incorrect statements were..which only means you may be in denial that they are actually correct statements ..feel the "Free Will" to point them out to me

Thank you for sharing.

"Spidercmb"..may I suggest The Christian Coffeehouse for Chat thread ..there you will find two lovely hostess to greet you and welcome your angelic views... the enchantress "Britty" and "Feralcatlady" or is that pharoahcatlady?

anyplace else besides there ..then fudgitatboutit

Of course you must realize that my beliefs are the only truth in existence in this reality. If you don't come to realize this you will forever be lost in confusion and slavery to a mythical god.

My beliefs are the only perfect ones. They give freedom to all beings and you will come to realize that you are part of the prime source and that you are free from the bondage of sin forever. I believe one day you will all be free from your bondage and the idea of serving in hell or in and heaven for eternity will pass away like all other myths.

May the force be with you and may you learn to use it.

JB

indeed all you write sounds as sweet and eloquent, and perhaps at first glance as truth, but there is one part that be the most truth that has been left out..........

if jane say to all others that her husband is good, and loving, and the sweetest in the world, and generous, and others do not believe, then jane smile with content, as what other could ever know since they have not lived with her husband..........

but, if jane gets mad, and offended, and even accuse all others as ignorant, and then blind, and then jane even begins to feel that others that do not SEE are blinded, and even call all that do not believe unbelievers, and pray for the saving of others, and call all others as LOST, and then even proclaim when this does not work, that all others will surely perish in hell, for not seeing her truths.......

this be a jane that any wise man would run from forever until no breath was left, as this women surely believes that love is PLEASING HER............

all evidence then shows this jane could be recieving such good things from her own husband, but indeed it is noticed what you percieve your god or good husband to be, as there is no mention of wisdom, or truth, which be the greatest gift to any, and the only asset to any man, that crerate all the rest sought.....

what christian seeks generosity for themself, or anything else for that matter........

the story you tell would now be more complete, and it's attempt to justify the self-righteouss distain of christinas of others, as the intentions here are easily seen.......

those proclaiming to be christians with their mouth, indeed if they were, no such words would EVER utter from their mouth, as it was said within their own text that to find the truth was as a gift, like winning the lottery, and who that wins the lottery has anything bad to say about anthter who has not..........please

many will come and say we are christians, we know the truth, but these hear only what the mind seek the greatest, and deny all their own heart constantly whispers to themself, and why constant affirmation is needed, and why each run to hide themselves with white garmets, and these have been coined even as foolish virgins, that heed not their own hearts whisperings............peace

awh......funches points out more truth about christianity than most that call themself christians, and he does not speak anything that is offensive to anyone that knows the truth, that all words are to worshipped and inspected, not discarded as ruble and trash to a mind that seeks most to hear praises.............

when the truth of the questions funches poses are answered, then more answers will be had by the wolves in sheeps clothing, that rip and tear with their words each one that attempts to answer the very questions the bible was written to inspire, and to bring forth to FREE......

every scripture written is merely a question, to make one have to find the true "wise" answer.............

fear will NEVER do this, nor even attempt to, and only seek comfort in following to appease fear, but indeed warriors of truth will NEVER be satisfied with a mouth full of regurgetated words as vomit for answers........

You aren't any better with analogy's than Funches.

You got the message, it rang with truth and yet you still seek to disprove it. That's what you need to worry about, instead of trying to find a way to twist the analogy into falsehood.

Awesome, thanks for explaining. But the analogy is faulty. Free will gives one the ability to choose what one believes, it does not make your beliefs real. So if you use your free will to worship Ba'al, that doesn't exempt you from your sins. It doesn't wash away your sins. It doesn't prevent the true God from judging you.



No, God did not. Jesus said so explicitly.

Matthew 25:41




For those who were following, I challenged your incorrect description of hell and it's purpose.

If we are using the analogy that Jane is a Muslim. (as opposed to a christian)



The other women would react with disdain.
Jane's husband is not forgiving, he is a bully and he is a misogynist.

No, she has not insulted other wives husbands as she blindly concerned with feeding her husband's ego so that he will feel great, even though it is as the expense of her own self-esteem and freedoms.



Christians dont all love their religion. Catholics, for example, are consumed with guilt for everything that they do incorrectly in their lives, so much so that it forces them to seek forgiveness and confess.

I was christened. I had no choice. I was an infant. I disowned all religion. You dont "love" christianity, it is used as an emotional crutch when you want to talk to yourself.

because it is asked for in the majority of paperwork, and because he wants to feel part of a group.
Humanity is afraid of being an outsider and if you are afraid of being abnormal, you will conform, or you will have been indoctrinated to believe.