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To set things straight, yes I believe there is a God, and that life begins in the womb. personally, I wouldn't have an abortion (hypothetically speaking) unless the my life were in danger.
BUT, my religion can never decide for you what is right for you; it's your choice to make, not mine. I can tell you what I believe and congratulate you if you're about to become a mother...but you must choose what you believe is right. |
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well, since we bring God into this...He says that life begins in the whomb; no actually, you were already on His mind before he created the world.....If you don't believe in God, do what you want, whatever you feel is right. If there is a God, you will have too fight it out with him. If there isn't, don't worry, right? i agree you dan. i am against abortion/eugenics. if it's a single cell, it's still a living creature and to end that life is not our call. |
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Its a woman's choice..Should not be debate by a room of grey haired grandfathers who should be debating the real issues affecting all of us!!!! Grand fathers have more life experience and wisdom than the hair on your head . |
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That was a bash for Congress and the HOR
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We don't base our laws on any religion, specifically. And when it seems we do, there are huge battles waged against it. For the Constitution itself, stand offended by such a thing. Therefore, when speaking about any civil, political and ethical legality no religion can pervade the conversation.
Sam, the courts do not protect life. The legislators to that by creating state and federal code. The courts, with the exception of the supreme courts, determine legal adherance to the law. The law currently holds the privitization between physician and patient to secrecy, with certain exceptions. Even those exceptions do not make it acceptible to make any kind of public announcement of a personal nature. Therefore, you cannot speak about the topic of abortion from the perspective of prevention when the law clearly states that no one is entitled to the information or to know the actions of a pregnant woman (as long as those actions are within the law.) HOWEVER, you can discuss abortion from the perspective of science - and attempt to argue when life is considered viable and relavent- without the concept of religion. For THAT, is what the entirety of the law is currently based on. Just remember to keep the decisions of the woman out of it and the fact that it IS CURRENTLY legal (within the specifications of the law) and remember too, doctor patient privacy. Consider, Exactly, how much MORE control over the individuals health do we want to give to our physicians? We already allow them to report POSSIBLE abuses, that have ruined many peoples lives, we already expect them to report POSSIBLE CDC infractions, we already ask them to place their hypocratic oathes above their religious values - how much control do we REALLY want to give to our physicians? |
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This is easy. Abortion, according to pro-life folks is murder. Interestingly, many of these people point to the bible and call abortion a sin. These are the same people (sheep) who follow their preachers, pastors and ministers largely without question. These leaders, selectively use the bible to support their small minded hateful agenda's. All designed to keep the sheep in tight flocks. Careful sheep there are wolves at the door! Quite different from the teachings of Christ..but that's a whole different argument. Do they strictly follow the bible? No..even a layperson can find passages that would confound these types. For instance are they; stoning sinners (not that some of them wouldn't), marrying their brothers wife when he passes away and do they worship graven images? I am being a smart ass now but gosh, isn't there something in the bible about not judging others? Isn't judgment Gods job? If you beleive in God that is. So, how can mere humans presume to know what Gods judgment is? How can they, sinners themselves as all men are, judge another's actions. By their own standards there's a place in hell for them based on their presumption that they can make Gods judgments on earth. (see the cast the first stone story) All in all...I am not God, I'm not smart enough or pure enough to judge what is right for another human being. (The given here is that the mother is a human being. The product of conception, the embryo, the unborn child what ever you call it is not a self sustaining human being in my argument.If you can support and maintain a life outside the womb we can talk again)If God is as great and powerful as these religious people say he/she/it is than he will find a way to deliver life to the unborn and judgment to the parent of this child without the intervention of mere mortals who think (but do not know) their way is the right way. Anti-abortion? Walk the walk...worry about giving descent lives to those already born. Care about children? Volunteer at a school, provide health care to children, reach outside your community , buy books for libraries that cannot afford them, mentor a young adult or a thousand other supportive things you can do for children who need you. Lastly, be honest about sex and reproduction in your homes and communities. Oh? You may definitely stay!!! {biiiiiiiig round of applause} |
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It is entirely the woman's call.
A man has no right to have any say over a woman's body and the processes that go on in it. (apart from fluffing the duvet if she farts in bed) Pro Choice |
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To set things straight, yes I believe there is a God, and that life begins in the womb. personally, I wouldn't have an abortion (hypothetically speaking) unless the my life were in danger. BUT, my religion can never decide for you what is right for you; it's your choice to make, not mine. I can tell you what I believe and congratulate you if you're about to become a mother...but you must choose what you believe is right. See, that is why there needs to be a choice. If your life was in danger, you wouldn't like it if you didn't have a choice. 
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I think it kind of depends how far along in the pregnancy they are. I don't think the government has the right to just say you can't do it, but I think you should have to make the decision in a timely fashion.
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See, that is why there needs to be a choice. If your life was in danger, you wouldn't like it if you didn't have a choice. what she said |
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Pro Choice here. I am would rather woman had a choice. I feel that if it were illegal again there would be an increase number in home preformed abortions and deaths from self inflicted abortions like in the past when women used coat hangers to take care of the pregnancy. There are plenty of women in this world that know that they are not ready to be a parent and adoption isn't the right choice for them. Who am I to critique? We are too busy playing god now-a-days. On the other hand, aren't we playing god by making laws to say either yeah or nah????? Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't!
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For me, personally, it's something I know I could never do. No matter how drastic the situation. I respect that not everyone feels the same way that I do, and I understand, given how I feel, that it must take a lot to bring yourself to do such a thing.
The problem lies with women who repeatedly use abortion as a get out of jail free card. I understand the need for it to be legal but I don't understand the mentality of women who consider abortion as an option before they even get pregnant. At that point it is birth control and there is something fundamentally wrong with that, I don't care what God you do or don't believe in. |
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I am pro choice
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Morally, I'm pro-life. I believe that life begins at conception, and abortion is murder.
Politically, I'm pro-choice. Abortion will happen whether it's legal or not. I would rather it be legal and happen in a clinic than illegal and happen in an alley with a coathanger. |
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Interesting comments all around.
Men are denied a voice in the abortion decision. How is this equal before the law? The woman can decide she will not terminate the pregnancy, then take the father to court for child support. The next 18-21 yrs the father is obligated by law to pay. (Now whether the woman actually gets the money is another discussion.) The woman can terminate the pregnancy without the father's knowlege and consent, even if he knows about the pregnancy and wants to keep and raise the child. The woman can even give the child up for adoption and never tell the father. In some states, the father can lose any and all licensure, ie drivers licence, Barbers license, Nursing licence for failure to pay child support. BTW, we "play God" all day long in hospitals by saving the lives of ill and injuried people. Should we stop "playing God" for every heart attack, stroke, life threatening injury and medical condition? |
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i had abortion when i was 16yrs old, i went through post abortion syndrom for yrs i couldnt do it again, i was so depressed i had no idea what the problem was... i wouldnt do it unless i didnt have a choice.
my son that i aborted i know now that he is one of my guides, and i used to see babies floating on the wall. that was a sign of me knowing he was around. and at that time i didnt know as i was very confused.. so i would say NO!!! not again i just couldnt... |
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It is entirely the woman's call. A man has no right to have any say over a woman's body and the processes that go on in it. (apart from fluffing the duvet if she farts in bed) Pro Choice Mr Belushi : The issue is not pro life or pro choice . The issue is when life begins . If life begins and you take this life , it is a murder . So the nation including the courts have an obligation to protect life . |
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It is entirely the woman's call. A man has no right to have any say over a woman's body and the processes that go on in it. (apart from fluffing the duvet if she farts in bed) Pro Choice Mr Belushi : The issue is not pro life or pro choice . The issue is when life begins . If life begins and you take this life , it is a murder . So the nation including the courts have an obligation to protect life . If it can survive outside of the womb, then it is alive. Either way, the woman has to have the choice of her body. She has the burden of carrying to term the child. If she doesnt want it, or want to, then she must be given the choice. You cannot force another human being into an action with their own bodies that they do not wish to continue with. The child has no choice up to 22 weeks. The woman's rights take precedent. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Sat 07/19/08 09:34 AM
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Food for thought.
When I was in college in the late 70's, I lived in an all girls dormitory. The ages ranged from 17 yrs. old to 20 yrs. old. A few girls got pregnant using a suppository type of birth control. They were scared to death to tell their parents. These girls gave themselves abortions using hangars. They did this when they were alone in their dorm rooms and away from home. We even found an embryo in the trash can. A couple of the girls were hospitalized. I can't even imagine the fear that they were experiencing to do such a thing to themselves. |
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Morally, I'm pro-life. I believe that life begins at conception, and abortion is murder. Politically, I'm pro-choice. Abortion will happen whether it's legal or not. I would rather it be legal and happen in a clinic than illegal and happen in an alley with a coathanger. Well said, I agree. I also think war is murder, but we change the name to suit our needs. Sometimes we are faced with very hard choices & there isn't always a good answer. Life isn't fair. You sometimes have to make the best choice from two bad options. You just do the best you can. A woman in a clinic or a soldier on a battlefield, we do not know the whole situation for them. |
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