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Sorry I misspelled the name. Eddie Slovik. I just find the book I have about the case. "The Execution of Private Eddie Slovik" by William Bradford Huie Dell 1954 I doubt it is in print anymore.
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My personal experience with this entire topic is this:
My good friend Shawn has served in the Airforce for 16 years of exemplary service.....three tours in Iraq....got home...his enlistment was done...he was ready to get out cause he just didn't want to go back and miss more time with his family.... Nope.....enlistment extended for another 2 years and reassigned as a humvee convoy driver in Bahgdad. He keeps his sh*t together in front of his wife and kids....He cried his eyes out when it was just him and me. This man has done his duty. He is so frustrated and rightfully so. If he wanted to bail to Mexico or Canada...I wouldn't have blamed him...and I damn sure couldn't arbitrarily condemn him. We can debate the semantics of legalities all day long....I am not talking about legal or illegal...I am talking about right and wrong. The government who will thoughtlessly send him back into the meat grinder is WRONG!!! |
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My personal experience with this entire topic is this: My good friend Shawn has served in the Airforce for 16 years of exemplary service.....three tours in Iraq....got home...his enlistment was done...he was ready to get out cause he just didn't want to go back and miss more time with his family.... Nope.....enlistment extended for another 2 years and reassigned as a humvee convoy driver in Bahgdad. He keeps his sh*t together in front of his wife and kids....He cried his eyes out when it was just him and me. This man has done his duty. He is so frustrated and rightfully so. If he wanted to bail to Mexico or Canada...I wouldn't have blamed him...and I damn sure couldn't arbitrarily condemn him. We can debate the semantics of legalities all day long....I am not talking about legal or illegal...I am talking about right and wrong. The government who will thoughtlessly send him back into the meat grinder is WRONG!!! Amen |
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A U.S. Army deserter who fled to Canada three years ago was deported Tuesday to America, marking the first time a resister to the U.S war effort in Iraq has been removed by Canadian authorities. Paula Shore, spokeswoman for the Canada Border Services Agency, confirmed that Robin Long, 25, was deported, but she could not discuss specifics of the case, including Long's destination. Long fled to Canada in 2005 to avoid serving in Iraq. He sought refuge in Canada on the grounds that the U.S. Army wanted him to participate in what he called an "illegal war of aggression in Iraq." Justice Anne Mactavish of the Federal Court of Canada ruled Monday that Long couldn't provide clear evidence he would suffer irreparable harm if he was returned to the United States. In her ruling, Mactavish said that although the percentage of American military deserters prosecuted for desertion has increased since 2002, the vast majority have not been prosecuted or faced jail time. Last week, the Federal Court blocked the deportation of National Guard Sgt. Corey Glass, 25, while it decides whether to hear his case. Glass refused redeployment to Iraq. Long and Glass were among some 200 American deserters believed to have come to Canada trying to avoid service in Iraq. So far, Canadian immigration officials and the courts have rejected efforts to grant them refugee status. During the Vietnam War, up to 90,000 Americans successfully won refuge in Canada, most of them to avoid the military draft. The majority went home after the United States granted amnesty in the late 1970s. http://www.onenewsnow.com/AP/Search/World/Default.aspx?id=179702 199 more would be nice!! As a Canadian I would have to say, these people should not be deserting their duties and you're government will have to deal with them. I agree with the "this war is illegal" statements made by the soldiers. But it's not their job to question Bush, they just work for the prick. The voice of your people should be screaming bloody murder over the pack of LIES he has told, just so he and his cronies can line their pocketbooks. JMO |
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Edited by
karmafury
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Wed 07/16/08 04:28 PM
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A U.S. Army deserter who fled to Canada three years ago was deported Tuesday to America, marking the first time a resister to the U.S war effort in Iraq has been removed by Canadian authorities. Paula Shore, spokeswoman for the Canada Border Services Agency, confirmed that Robin Long, 25, was deported, but she could not discuss specifics of the case, including Long's destination. Long fled to Canada in 2005 to avoid serving in Iraq. He sought refuge in Canada on the grounds that the U.S. Army wanted him to participate in what he called an "illegal war of aggression in Iraq." Justice Anne Mactavish of the Federal Court of Canada ruled Monday that Long couldn't provide clear evidence he would suffer irreparable harm if he was returned to the United States. In her ruling, Mactavish said that although the percentage of American military deserters prosecuted for desertion has increased since 2002, the vast majority have not been prosecuted or faced jail time. Last week, the Federal Court blocked the deportation of National Guard Sgt. Corey Glass, 25, while it decides whether to hear his case. Glass refused redeployment to Iraq. Long and Glass were among some 200 American deserters believed to have come to Canada trying to avoid service in Iraq. So far, Canadian immigration officials and the courts have rejected efforts to grant them refugee status. During the Vietnam War, up to 90,000 Americans successfully won refuge in Canada, most of them to avoid the military draft. The majority went home after the United States granted amnesty in the late 1970s. http://www.onenewsnow.com/AP/Search/World/Default.aspx?id=179702 199 more would be nice!! Shame and disgrace on Canada to deport those who do not wish to kill innocent people according to their conscience . Of course Canada is pondering to the big bullying elephant south of its border .  . We will send yours back! What happens to the Canadian soldiers who refuse to go to war? What happens to the Canadian soldiers who refuse to go to Afghanistan? I bet Karma can tell me! DD (Dishonorable Discharge) and possibly DB (Detention Barracks) Edmonton. However we don't have the 'Stop-Loss' system. Once a soldier's service is done..it's done. Also many of those seeking to come to Canada are National Guard etc and not Regular Army. Here Reservists volonteer for deployment and are not ordered to it. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Wed 07/16/08 09:15 PM
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My personal experience with this entire topic is this: My good friend Shawn has served in the Airforce for 16 years of exemplary service.....three tours in Iraq....got home...his enlistment was done...he was ready to get out cause he just didn't want to go back and miss more time with his family.... Nope.....enlistment extended for another 2 years and reassigned as a humvee convoy driver in Bahgdad. He keeps his sh*t together in front of his wife and kids....He cried his eyes out when it was just him and me. This man has done his duty. He is so frustrated and rightfully so. If he wanted to bail to Mexico or Canada...I wouldn't have blamed him...and I damn sure couldn't arbitrarily condemn him. We can debate the semantics of legalities all day long....I am not talking about legal or illegal...I am talking about right and wrong. The government who will thoughtlessly send him back into the meat grinder is WRONG!!! I'll find it in a min., but isnt a tour in Iraq for the AF 5 months? Most on a secure base with Air conditioned barracks. Reinstating the draft is what Bush needs to do. It would ease the burden on men like your friend and his family and place the sacrifice on all Americans! |
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Canada executed several men for military crimes, chiefly cowardice and desertion, in the First World War, and maintained the death sentence in the Canadian Criminal Code until 1976 and militarily until 1998 (although the last execution held in Canada was in 1962). One soldier was executed during the Second World War, Private Harold Joseph Pringle of The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment who was executed in Italy in 1945 for murder. The novel Execution is a fictional treatment of this incident and inspired the television movie Firing Squad. In general, Canadian firing squads and the imposition of capital punishment was patterned after the British military justice system. http://www.answers.com/topic/execution-by-firing-squad We dont give Canadian soldiers refuge, and the punishment is no different! I found this Karma! I also found where the British executed 22 Canadians for desertion in WWI when Canada was still British. I didnt put it down because you were under the British military then. Far worse than our record of 1 man since the Civil War! The usual punishment now is similar to yours, but some are sentenced to 18 months. We dont kill them, but they do need punished, and we do extradite your deserters. |
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A U.S. Army deserter who fled to Canada three years ago was deported Tuesday to America, marking the first time a resister to the U.S war effort in Iraq has been removed by Canadian authorities. Paula Shore, spokeswoman for the Canada Border Services Agency, confirmed that Robin Long, 25, was deported, but she could not discuss specifics of the case, including Long's destination. Long fled to Canada in 2005 to avoid serving in Iraq. He sought refuge in Canada on the grounds that the U.S. Army wanted him to participate in what he called an "illegal war of aggression in Iraq." Justice Anne Mactavish of the Federal Court of Canada ruled Monday that Long couldn't provide clear evidence he would suffer irreparable harm if he was returned to the United States. In her ruling, Mactavish said that although the percentage of American military deserters prosecuted for desertion has increased since 2002, the vast majority have not been prosecuted or faced jail time. Last week, the Federal Court blocked the deportation of National Guard Sgt. Corey Glass, 25, while it decides whether to hear his case. Glass refused redeployment to Iraq. Long and Glass were among some 200 American deserters believed to have come to Canada trying to avoid service in Iraq. So far, Canadian immigration officials and the courts have rejected efforts to grant them refugee status. During the Vietnam War, up to 90,000 Americans successfully won refuge in Canada, most of them to avoid the military draft. The majority went home after the United States granted amnesty in the late 1970s. http://www.onenewsnow.com/AP/Search/World/Default.aspx?id=179702 199 more would be nice!! As a Canadian I would have to say, these people should not be deserting their duties and you're government will have to deal with them. I agree with the "this war is illegal" statements made by the soldiers. But it's not their job to question Bush, they just work for the prick. The voice of your people should be screaming bloody murder over the pack of LIES he has told, just so he and his cronies can line their pocketbooks. JMO I have been screaming and yelling but the masses are brainwashed by the lies told. I started screaming and writing the day the focus went to Saddam and haven't stopped since. Maybe one day soon they will see the truth, maybe. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Wed 07/16/08 09:23 PM
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The Air Force in Iraq,
Over the past four years, the Department of the Air Force has been feeling the heat over its comparatively limited role in Iraq. The Air Force is the second-largest service branch, accounting for about one-quarter of all active-duty military. But airmen make up only about 5 percent of the total troop presence in Iraq. And the numbers have prompted Pentagon bean counters to shift Air Force money away to the other service branches. Because airmen, on average, serve four-month tours of duty (compared with the average Army tour of 15 months), the high rate of turnover can often lead to administrative blunders. One Army officer privately complained that when the new airmen come in every few weeks, it is "hellish, especially when you're trying to coordinate with your Air Force counterparts." The Air Force has received the message. Top officials are now quietly considering whether to extend Air Force tours of duty from four to six months. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15126640 |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Wed 07/16/08 09:36 PM
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At the hight of the surge when American deaths in Iraq were over 100 a month,
Inside spacious, air-conditioned "Kingpin," a new air traffic control center at this huge Air Force hub 50 miles north of Baghdad, the expanded commitment can be seen on the central display screen: Small points of light represent more than 100 aircraft crisscrossing Iraqi air space at any one time. "We'd like to get it to be a field like Langley, if you will," said mission support chief Reynolds, referring to the Air Force showcase base in Virginia. The Air Force's four-month Iraq tours and extensive use of volunteer pilots from the Reserve and National Guard contrast sharply with an Army whose 15-month tours are sapping energy and morale. http://www.truthout.org/article/air-force-quietly-building-iraq-presence There it is again 4 month tours!!! |
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A U.S. Army deserter who fled to Canada three years ago was deported Tuesday to America, marking the first time a resister to the U.S war effort in Iraq has been removed by Canadian authorities. Paula Shore, spokeswoman for the Canada Border Services Agency, confirmed that Robin Long, 25, was deported, but she could not discuss specifics of the case, including Long's destination. Long fled to Canada in 2005 to avoid serving in Iraq. He sought refuge in Canada on the grounds that the U.S. Army wanted him to participate in what he called an "illegal war of aggression in Iraq." Justice Anne Mactavish of the Federal Court of Canada ruled Monday that Long couldn't provide clear evidence he would suffer irreparable harm if he was returned to the United States. In her ruling, Mactavish said that although the percentage of American military deserters prosecuted for desertion has increased since 2002, the vast majority have not been prosecuted or faced jail time. Last week, the Federal Court blocked the deportation of National Guard Sgt. Corey Glass, 25, while it decides whether to hear his case. Glass refused redeployment to Iraq. Long and Glass were among some 200 American deserters believed to have come to Canada trying to avoid service in Iraq. So far, Canadian immigration officials and the courts have rejected efforts to grant them refugee status. During the Vietnam War, up to 90,000 Americans successfully won refuge in Canada, most of them to avoid the military draft. The majority went home after the United States granted amnesty in the late 1970s. http://www.onenewsnow.com/AP/Search/World/Default.aspx?id=179702 199 more would be nice!! As a Canadian I would have to say, these people should not be deserting their duties and you're government will have to deal with them. I agree with the "this war is illegal" statements made by the soldiers. But it's not their job to question Bush, they just work for the prick. The voice of your people should be screaming bloody murder over the pack of LIES he has told, just so he and his cronies can line their pocketbooks. JMO I have been screaming and yelling but the masses are brainwashed by the lies told. I started screaming and writing the day the focus went to Saddam and haven't stopped since. Maybe one day soon they will see the truth, maybe. It's sad that more people haven't seen this for what it truly is, my hat's off to you  Why are people so gullible? What exactly has his government done for the average, tax-paying citizen? He wants free enterprise....great, except only so the rich get richer. Small business has a heck of a time just getting off the ground. He wants control of all the oil...great, yet our world cannot take much more of this abuse. Something gotta give and it won't be him or his kind, will it? |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Thu 07/17/08 05:16 AM
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Everyone has either too busy working to have time to look, or life has been too good for too long, and they became complacent and didn't care to do anything about it.
Bush has finally managed to screw things just enough to wake them up a little. Now they are all ready to join the fight that some of us have been fighting for 25 yrs or more! |
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Edited by
krupa
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Thu 07/17/08 04:39 PM
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I am not aware of the things your researching Fanta...What I do know for a fact...Shawn left last month for a two year stint as a convoy driver. not sure if it is one long tour or four or five month stints but, he definitely cannot leave military service for two more years. Ain't nobody happy about it around here.
They change the rules every other friggin week. |
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At the hight of the surge when American deaths in Iraq were over 100 a month, Inside spacious, air-conditioned "Kingpin," a new air traffic control center at this huge Air Force hub 50 miles north of Baghdad, the expanded commitment can be seen on the central display screen: Small points of light represent more than 100 aircraft crisscrossing Iraqi air space at any one time. "We'd like to get it to be a field like Langley, if you will," said mission support chief Reynolds, referring to the Air Force showcase base in Virginia. The Air Force's four-month Iraq tours and extensive use of volunteer pilots from the Reserve and National Guard contrast sharply with an Army whose 15-month tours are sapping energy and morale. http://www.truthout.org/article/air-force-quietly-building-iraq-presence There it is again 4 month tours!!! Fanta, I know you have said you were in the military but did you fight in a war and for how long? |
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There is right and there is wrong .
A soldier should not be just a robot following orders . He or she must use their conscience not to participate in an illegal , brutal and unjust war against the poor , the weak and those who can not defend themselves . Canada was wrong to deport the conscious soldier . If killing innocent people is not a big issue then what is a big issue ?. |
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agreed
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There is right and there is wrong . A soldier should not be just a robot following orders . He or she must use their conscience not to participate in an illegal , brutal and unjust war against the poor , the weak and those who can not defend themselves . Canada was wrong to deport the conscious soldier . If killing innocent people is not a big issue then what is a big issue ?. I just watched the documentary NO End In Sight....Iraq is Vietnam over again. It is hell and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Through the documentary a marine speaks about his experience and at the end he expresses that he is very angry about the mishandling of the war. It doesn't even touch on the lies. |
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cananda gods country.
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canada gods country. Canada is a good country but some Canadian politicians keep on kissing the ass of uncle Sam south of their border and it is a shame and a disgrace . |
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