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Strange! that no one has ever been persecuted by the church for believing God bad, while hundreds of millions have been destroyed for thinking him good. The orthodox church never will forgive the Universalist for saying "God is love." It has always been considered as one of the very highest evidences of true and undefiled religion to insist that all men, women and children deserve eternal damnation. It has always been heresy, to say, "God will at last save all" http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/gods.html It's religion 101 - how to keep the sheep in line. perhaps the "sheep' were supposed to get out of line, and THIS LED TO WISDOM......... |
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WOULDEE: With that in mind, I offer this to chew on which might help with the meaning of the "end time" Isra-el Romans 11:25. "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Isra-el, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in." TRIBO: i see no confusion on this at all since the end time for all "the fullness of the gentiles" was in the know time and areas paul says were the entire nations and world know to paul and the others then, and was going to take place by and in AD 70. You on the other hand insist in putting it as a future event that has not taken place yet, it fits the entire scenario much better to put it in the time spoken of by both jesus and the apostles for better understanding. its 2 am here i will respond to the rest tomorrow, nite W tribo, it went right over your head again and it was as plain as day. Isra-el was not graffed back in after whatever it is you think happened in 70AD. Isra-el has yet to be graffed back in. The "time of Jacob's trouble" has not been fulfilled yet. Isra-el stands to disagree with you. The Church of Jesus Christ still stands in the way; in the gap, if you will, not making any distinction between Jew or otherwise. The Church is inclusive of all mankind by free will and choice. It will not be so, when Isra-el is graffed back in. There is the next age to come. But before it is come, the "seventieth week" of Daniel must manifest. There is a seven year period known as Jacob's trouble. The Church of Jesus Christ calls this the Tribulation. The age to follow will be more to preterist liking. It is called the "Mellineal Reign of Jesus Christ". That is the age in which all will know God, from the least to the greatest, but it will not be a covenant of grace. It will be sovereignly imposed upon mankind by God. enjoy your selfish liberties and secret tastes while you can. The conviction of those days will remind you of us, the Church!!!!  Pray not for it. trust me. the scriptures call for a bite of the devil at the end of that age to further test the hearts of those dwelling in an age where the love of God and His will are concretely manifest upon all flesh remaining alive after that seventieth week of Daniel. 1000 years without death is prescribed for that generation, but at the end, the devil will be loosed on the whole planet to test it. That is another can of worms. Few discuss that one. But it is scriptural, and preterists ignore it.  It's been explained in detail before wouldee....He is deaf to hear and will not understand...that since the original destruction of Israel it has never been rebuilt...therefore that is prophecy unfulfilled... And this my dear friends is a true teacher....Wouldee......I never stop learning from you my friend. |
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trust me. the scriptures call for a bite of the devil at the end of that age to further test the hearts of those dwelling in an age where the love of God and His will are concretely manifest upon all flesh remaining alive after that seventieth week of Daniel. 1000 years without death is prescribed for that generation, but at the end, the devil will be loosed on the whole planet to test it. That is another can of worms. Few discuss that one. But it is scriptural, and preterists ignore it. tribo: again you take symbolic writing and apply it to future events as always. as i say its no use. |
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That is a very interesting subject. I wonder why 2 different sets of days in Dan 12.
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wouldee: trust me. the scriptures call for a bite of the devil at the end of that age to further test the hearts of those dwelling in an age where the love of God and His will are concretely manifest upon all flesh remaining alive after that seventieth week of Daniel. 1000 years without death is prescribed for that generation, but at the end, the devil will be loosed on the whole planet to test it. That is another can of worms. Few discuss that one. But it is scriptural, and preterists ignore it. tribo: again you take symbolic writing and apply it to future events as always. as i say its no use. And I see it happening right now......All the havok, nasty and just plain ugly on this planet is the work of satan....And if you don't think he is alive and well on this planet right now....well so be it....but I think he is...and in the end he will be cast into the pits of hell for ever and ever and ever. |
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wouldee: trust me. the scriptures call for a bite of the devil at the end of that age to further test the hearts of those dwelling in an age where the love of God and His will are concretely manifest upon all flesh remaining alive after that seventieth week of Daniel. 1000 years without death is prescribed for that generation, but at the end, the devil will be loosed on the whole planet to test it. That is another can of worms. Few discuss that one. But it is scriptural, and preterists ignore it. tribo: again you take symbolic writing and apply it to future events as always. as i say its no use. And I see it happening right now......All the havok, nasty and just plain ugly on this planet is the work of satan....And if you don't think he is alive and well on this planet right now....well so be it....but I think he is...and in the end he will be cast into the pits of hell for ever and ever and ever. i know you think that deb, its ok not going to aregue with your take, have a great day, tribo |
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That is a very interesting subject. I wonder why 2 different sets of days in Dan 12. show me what you mean miles? |
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