Christ early return was actually "not" early, it was in the time frame that he continuously and never waveringly told those close to him - the disciples, and other follower's and even the pharisees (Caiaphas's)if one looks closely at the audience to whom christ was addressing and their questions of when the end would come and his return it is clear to see that the language was plain, no parablistic sayings or allegories, or other language that the disciples would not clearly understand. their in way one can miss the direct meaning of christ word's that his return would be in that generation, not some thousand's of years later, let's take a look:emphasis/parentheses mine.


QUESTION: Is it really clear that the New Testament writers thought Jesus would return in their life-time?

ANSWER: Read these texts and judge for yourself how "clear" it would have been to these first century saints. Matt. 16:27, 28, For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to His deeds. "Truly I say to you, there are some who are standing here - ( right now before me) who will not taste death until they - ( those presently standing before him) see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Matt.24:34 "Truly I say to you (my disciples), this generation (what generation? - the present1) will not pass away until all these things take place." Rom. 13:12, “The night is nearly over; the day (the day of christ return) is almost here.” Rom. 16:20, “The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.” I Cor. 7:29 and 31, “The time is short. This world in its present form is passing away.” I Cor. 10:11, “These things happened to them as examples and were written down as ""warnings for us"" ( present day audience of those paul was speaking to the church of Corinth not to any present day church!), on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.” I Tim. 6:14, “Keep this command - ( to timothy this is written "specifically!! not to future men) without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Hebrews 10:37, "“In just a very little while"", He who is coming will come and will not delay.” James 5:7, “Be patient until the Lord’s coming.” James 5:8, “The Lord’s coming is near.” James 5:9, “The judge is standing at the door.” I Peter 4:7, “The end of all things has drawn near.” I John 2:18, "Children, - ( john's present audience) it is "THE" last hour; """and just as you heard that Antichrist is coming, EVEN NOW!! ""many Antichrists have appeared""; from this ""we know"" that it is the ""last hour"". Rev. 22:6, 7, "And he said to me, ""These words are faithful and true""; ... the things which "MUST" soon take place. "And behold, ""I am coming quickly"".... Rev. 22:10, 12, And he said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, ""for the time is near"". "Behold, I am coming quickly"", and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. Rev. 22:20, He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly," Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

How can anyone in or out of Christianity not clearly see that all sign's point to christ quick return? Nowhere - not one single mention of his coming is to be found in some futurist tense, leading one to believe the rapture or the final judgement of the then present world it was coming against - the Jew's - that generation, - if christ had indicated even once that these things were to take place now!! or sometime future, then a case can be made, but he does not! man has made this modern day gnostic belief become popular and led many astray, I mean gnostic in the sense that they claim only those with special secret knowledge from within their holy society under spirit guidance can comprehend what is stated by christ so plainly!! The futurist and their follower's make the same mistakes as the pharisee's and scribes of jesus' time and do not or refuse to see whats true. They call me blind, but yet without the system i can "plainly" see their fallacy, there is something terribly wrong here.

copy and paste nonsense continues unabated once again.

Tell us, tribo, about the divisiveness within preterest dogma.

they cannot agree at all.

some hold the Father is the primacy, and some that the Holy Spirit is the primacy, but none agree that Jesus Christ is the primacy and that the Judgement is still an all encompassing event inclusive of all mankind, Christian or otherwise, and no place is given any person that is not called by Jesus' name.(according to preterist heresy)

Preterests cannot even comprehend that Jesus is the Father is the Holy Spirit.

The thing about breaches of promise is that they deceive and lull the unlearned into accepting dogma and interpretation at the expense of the charge given by Jesus Christ that the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth and bring rememberance to all things that he has said.

Such a lull into spiritual slumber is mistaken for meaning spiritual rest in the Lord and excuse warnings given by Paul in 2 Timothy about the nature of deceptions perpetrated on the yet unknowing.

The worst flaw has already been exposed in John 10 and Matthew 25:10 which cannot be addressed by preterests and is conveniently ignored.

Not to mention the fact that evry attempt at contextualizing this heresy requires ignoring Matthew 25 which follows Matthew 24 ; the one passage referenced ad naseum as sufficiency for this heresy.

The "marriage supper of the lamb" has not occured yet, and the full of the guests hae not been bidden yet, and the "bride of Christ" is not yet a fully grown body of believers.

Persecution of the Church of Jesus Christ is evident in this teaching and it's erroneous assumption that there is an "eternal" aspect to this heretical notion of the resurrection being past. The clarity of this glaring oversight is evidenced by present realities that reasonably discredit the shortsided wishful thinking supposed upon the believer by this heresy, namely, that the "bride of Christ" is still not yet consummated completely. We are yet mortal and dwelling in rented vessels.


So, seeing that Jesus is not God in preterist heresiy, and that He is excused as blasphemable, according to the acknowledgement of preterists as not being the unforgiveable sin not to be repented of which is the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, I would point you to the deception of having grieved the Holy Spirit in this heresy which cannot be accomplished by them which know Him not, but through grieving Him have effectively restrained Him from revealing Himself to any holding this treacherous heretical deception by virtue of the abundannce of the lack of the manifestation of the Holy Spirit to signify through His presence any acknowledgement and approval of said heresy.

In other words, it is a dead dry and lifeless detour from the 'way and the truth and the life' which is in Jesus, our God and Savior.

You see, tribo, Jesus is Jahweh. He is the LORD, JHWH, YHWH, that spoke to Moses and Abraham.

With that, I will share Daniel 9: 13-14, which follows Daniel 7 ( ) and says that the LORD is always "doing".


"As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us :
yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.

Therefore hath the LORD watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us :
for the LORD our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth :
for we obeyed not his voice."

Then this, Jesus said in Matthew 5: 17-20.(echoed in Luke 16:15-17.)

and this is said by Paul, 1Cor. 1:30, Galatians 2 : 20,21., 2Cor. 5:21, Romans 9:31,...and more.

That righteousness is really the righteousness of the Lord, not our own. The law fails not to bring us to this point and the Holy Spirit is the means.

Phillipians 3:9...
"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith :"

Phillipians 3: 20,21....


"For our conversation is in heaven ; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able to subdue all things unto himself."








"from whence also we look."





You see, tribo, you look to men who fail, and dig up their dirt, and apply their excuses, and spout their assumptions as fact, and yet ignore testifying that God has shown you anything directly.


But the fact is, God does not give you any affirmation of these heretical contrivances.


Not Jesus.

Not the Father.

Not the Holy Spirit.


only men, dead and buryed and lost without Christ, waiting upon the judgement for their glaringly stupid refusal to enter into Jesus' leading and direction towards receiving the Holy Spirit for oneself that will lead one into all truth and bring to rememberance the things Jesus spoke.

John 15: 26.

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father,even the Spirit of truth, whch proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

John 16:7.

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away :
for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you;
but if I depart, I will send him unto you."

John 16: 15, 16.

All things that the Father hath are mine:
therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, andd shall shew it unto you.

A little while, and ye shall not see me:
and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.


and this....i John 16:26-28.

At that day ye shall ask in my name :
and I say not unto you that I will pray the Father for you;

For the Father himself loveth you, because you have believed that I came out from God.

came forth from the Father, and am come into the world:
again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.



According to you and you selusional preterist excuses and excusers, the Lord has come and gone, and yet, according to your foolishness he must come again, or not?

you are either hopelessly lost forever without him, or he will return again to pick you up.

It doesn't wash, tribo.

it won't fly.

How many resurrections are there, anyway?



Here is one the preterests have conveniently ignored...

Matthew 27:52, something preterists never read, since they found a detour for walking away from the Lord and the Holy Spirit in Matthew 24, though they fail miserably to convince of anything more than their irrational wishful thinking for themselves and a select few, which you have missed, according to their way of thinking, and yet you subscribe to it.

Mt.27:50-53.


Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the Spirit.

And behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rockes rent;

and the graves were opened;
and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.





and to the thief nailed on the cross next to Jesus did he speak this way.
Luke 23:43.

And jesus said unto him,
verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise





How many resurrections are there, tribo?


by your perspective, you are out. So are your inept heretical teachers . Your faith is in your machinations, not in the truth.

Scriptures lead one to Jesus and the Holy Spirit and the Father, which are one.

preterists lull the lazy onto sleep.

That is not the rest of the Lord.



I am indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

I have seen the risen Lord, Jesus Christ.

Many come to the Lord by virtue of the work of the Holy Spirit in my life.

My witness is of God.

Your witness is of men.

You don't believe and neither do preterists.

You won't believe me either.

But what I write is to you but not for you.

It is done for whosoever will read it and think, and use their own judgement, and hopefully reason with God, and not acquiesce to more shallow and inept excuses.

Seek God for answers, not men.

Let God speak for God and men be silent.

But preach the gospel in truth, we will.

For it is God that speaks through His Word, not us.

We testify of the truth in Jesus Christ, not the spin of men wise in their own conceits.

wow what a bent, i'm sure you got that from a futurist writer not from the preterist themselves, you have much to learn if you think that is thier stance, but to the core now wouldee as i asked on other post

Where does jesus your god and his holy spirit state that all that would take place is in the future?? answer that W, show me one place that christ states to those who ask him of the time of his coming to his reply that it would be insome far distant future??? 2000 or more yrs, later? One time wouldee, one time??


you cannot, without bending his words to do so!! just as the dispenvagelist have! you travel all around the core answer with meaningless answers that donot hit the mark! SHOW ME anywhere in jesus' words to those who asked him the question (his disciples) Mett:24 vs 3 - and upon giving his answers to "THEM" he says vs 34 "THIS GENERATION" SHALL NOTPASS AWAY, TILL "ALL" these things be fullfilled!! what things?? all the things spoken to them before this verse!! THAT GENERATION!! not some future long off distant generation! dont give me others words wouldee - give me your christ words!! for he is your teacher not man give me the spirit of gods words that you have within you as you say!! for to you he holds all gods truths and teaches you correctly in all god says! defend his words not others! comeon wouldee - show me one isnstant where you spirit filled jesus says these thing are meant for any other than his audience that was presently standing there asking him of what signs should be of his coming (PAROUSIA)!! Not once does he state that not for them to look to some far future time for these things to take place - not once!! ALL was to happen in the disciples lifetime!! he even goes so far as to tell them - some standing there would not taste death till he would come again!! are some disciples still living now??? where are they wouldee?? where may i find them?? where may anyone find them?? Answer my questions and stop posting nonsense!!

I am not a copy and paste thinker, tribo.

the argument you have with futurists is only a safe harbor for your defense of things irrefutably ignorant of God and the Holy Spirit.

The bent is yours, tribo


You have no reason within you and less capacity to study for yourself.

I expected this.

You prove my point.

sit down and find a new game.

You tried once, outside of the religion forum, yet you are back with new nonsense to dispense.

Try again.

elsewhere.

you have failed here, once again, to define yourself as credible or relevant.

Your inept heretical teachers have failed you.

not fun is it?

a fool has many words

hahaha you poor man you have won nothing you show your haughtyness as some type of holyness to build yourself up not your god - poor wouldee, may your god help you, you need it.

but your right i will go no further, may you rest in your beliefs forever i hope you do. i so hope you do!!

seek God, tribo.

seek the truth from the giver of the truth.

you want to uphold the excuses of preterists to excuse your responsiblity to find God in the Holy Spirit for yourself.

That will only come through Jesus.

You know that.


Just admit that you want none of that and quit tormenting yourself.

Why must you insist on maligning the gospel to excuse your choice which is otherwise?

Who said that you aren't free to choose your own path to God, or not, if you are so inclined?

Insisting on demands for deconstructing preterist heresy and feigning absolution of futurists as though your authoritativeness is sound and just and that , inversely, answers given from scripture to rebuke your contrarian assumptions are excuseable?

Your contrarian heresy is a malignant contrivance of scripture.

Scripture rebukes and deconstructs it sufficiently.

Scripture is the misinterpreted base for this heresy in your heart.


and you want what from me?

the Holy Spirit's answer extrabiblically?

Let the Holy Spirit tell you directly.

Have at it, tribo.

scared?

afraid to know?




Machinations of scripture are easily descounted sufficiently with the scriptures themselves.

Basis for no basis.

relevance for irrelevance.

Harmony for disharmony.

rightly dividing the truth with wisdom requires wisdom, tribo.


You haven't searched for the truth, only excuses for having not surrendered your heart to the Lord and your conscience is tearing at your heart.

You want the Holy Spirit from me while you willfully reject the Holy Spirit for yourself?


When you are admonished and rebuked, it is tough love, tribo.

Get a grip.


I am fast losing any hope that you have a sound mind.

The evidence in the lack of acknowledgement on your part that the graves were opened at the resurrection, not in 70a.d., which by the way is called CE by the politically correct.


you and your preterists are a laughingstock of devicive machinations and corruption of things eluding your soundness of mind.

The scriptures call this recalcitrance and reprobation, tribo.

You are not of us, and neither are your apologists of preterist heretical nonsense.

You never were.

How is it then, that you fancy yourself such an authority of scriptuere when you cannot exercise discipline yourself to reason with scritptural machinations in the context of the very premise purported?


sit down.

be quiet.

you are no teacher, and you are not credible , either.

you are confused and inept.

I won't wear it.

You must.

Scripture defeats your machination of it all by itself.


learn, grow and then be at peace.

But do it with something you know something about, not the things that elude you.

you bore me wouldee -

I am not here to entertain your foolishness, tribo.

I am here to reason with the scriptures when false teachers like you, in their BOREDOM, can do no better than pretentiously spout vain babblings as coherent eloquence.


learn, grow and then be at peace.

i am at peace W, your babbling bores me and the others, its foolishness.

wouldee

copy and paste nonsense continues unabated once again.

Tell us, tribo, about the divisiveness within preterest dogma.

they cannot agree at all.

some hold the Father is the primacy, and some that the Holy Spirit is the primacy, but none agree that Jesus Christ is the primacy and that the Judgement is still an all encompassing event inclusive of all mankind, Christian or otherwise, and no place is given any person that is not called by Jesus' name.(according to preterist heresy)


tribo:

not that it matters to me but yes you are correct in this point and this point only, there are many preterist views that have been held, and some of those according to your faith "were" heretical in thought, just as many things you now believe as a futurist are heretical, such as the laying on of hands, the speaking in tongues, the handling of venomous snake's belief of prophesy, heeling's, raising the dead, and other.
things according to your book took place in your book mainly in acts! Given to those who received your holy spirit and were given these things to show your gods power among the unsaved ""at the beginning"" that has been ""brought back"" into futurist evangelical use, thinking that a new wave of spiritual power has been again unleashed upon it's new disciples.

Any heretical views of the differing sects of preterism have been abolished from "full preterism" or so they say, if you go to the site i mentioned instead of wallowing in your futurist dogma, you will see where what "they" the full preterist believe. they - have admitted that within their midst there were those at one time that did belong and even authored books and literature that was not sound christian doctrine, those if you check have been eliminated from their midst, they even go so far to ask of those contributing to their beliefs as full preterist that they sign a pledge to uphold the "full preterist" beliefs unswervingly. It's a shame any of your cult must do so but you as i are "JUST MEN" - at least ""they"" have taken strong measures to to insure their take on biblical things are as doctrinal as possible, but you futurist??

Personally i find none of christian beliefs on last things such as raptures, returns, etc, outside of a possible return at the last day to be sound by any standards, futurist or not. I still find it amazing though, that if other thought is placed before the bulk of futurist that go against the Hal Lindsey, Benny hinn and others heresies, that the response is "oh well they may be mistaken but, "their still gods people" - BULL !! - if they spewed forth there "thus sayeth the lord" crap in the old testament or even the early new testament times, the laws of god would have had them "STONED TO DEATH!!" your god!! Now you can stick up for them or whatever you wish, yet you in turn say "preterist are heretics???" listen to what one of your futurist - ""Benny hinn"" on tbs said live:

benny hinn:

""But here's first what I see for TBN. You're going to have people raised from the dead watching this network. You're going to have people raised from the dead watching TBN....I'm telling you, I see this in the Spirit. It's going to be so awesome - Jesus I give you praise for this - that people around the world - maybe not so much in America - people around the world who will lose loved ones, will say to undertakers 'Not yet. I want to take my dead loved one and place him in front of that TV set for 24 hours'....I see rows of caskets lining up in front of this TV set and I see them bringing them closer to the TV set and as people are coming closer I see actually loved ones picking up the hands of the dead and letting them touch the screen and people are getting raised as their hands are touching that screen."

He made this prophecy back in October 9th, 1999.

This is rows of caskets, all kinds of people being raised from the dead, and to date there is not a single credible testimony of a single person watching the Trinity Broadcasting Network being raised from the dead. They might have died watching the program, but there's no evidence that they were raised from the dead.

Then on January 1st, 1990 Hinn attempted to delude his devotees into believing that "God spoke to him and revealed the fate of Fidel Castro" in Cuba, as well as "homosexuals in America". This is what he had to say about Fidel Castro:

""The Spirit tells me Fidel Castro will die in the '90s. Oh, my! Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed, but there will come a change in his physical health and he will not stay in power and Cuba will be visited of God"".

???? WTF??? needless to say Castro, though ill, is still alive!!! "THE SPIRIT TELLS ME??" and you want me to receive this spirit?? one that in the OT would have stoned B hinn for such pitiful lies, herisies,and nonsense as Benny hinn states here?? no thanks. and more:

benny hinn: false prophet::

"The Lord also tells me to tell you in the mid-90’s, about ’94, ’95, no later than that, ""God will destroy the homosexual community of America"". [Round of applause] - (WTF??) But He will not destroy it with what many minds have thought Him to be. He will destroy it with fire. And many will turn and be saved, and many will rebel and be destroyed.

Again, Benny Hinn says "The Lord also tells me." In other words, God revealed this to him. Now, what I don't understand about that particular clip is the "FUTURIST" audience listening to Benny Hinn applauding?? When Benny Hinn says that God said that homosexuals would be destroyed???

Why would you applaud that? Do you futurist, as Christians really want homosexuals to be destroyed? Is that what Christianity is all about? Or is Christianity about reaching people no matter what condition they are in? MUYFM!!

In 1993 Hinn "pontificated" that "because Jesus promised that He would return within a generation of Israel's restoration in 1948", and because a generation in his view "was" 51.4 years, ( now he's claiming he made a mistake ands it's 100 yrs.) ""only six years remained before Christ would come back to rapture the saints"".

Seven years later, on March 29th, 2000 he began predicting that Jesus would ""appear physically in his crusades"". Again, according to Hinn, the Lord ""spoke to him"". In fact, the Lord spoke to Hinn "audibly", and the Word of the Lord came to him saying "Tell Benny I'm going to appear physically on the platform in his meetings." What is particularly noteworthy about this prophecy is that Hinn here was prophesying that Jesus, God's Son, was about to appear physically in meetings and that the supernatural appearances would take place in Nairobi, Kenya??. hmmm? interesting?

B hinn:

"I believe - hear this, hear this - I believe that Jesus, God's Son, is about to appear physically in meetings and to believers around the world to wake us up. He appeared after His resurrection and He's about to appear before ""His second coming"". You know, a prophetess sent me a word through my wife right here, and she said "Tell your husband that Jesus is going to physically appear in his meetings." I'm expecting to see - I'm telling you, I feel it's going to happen. I'm careful in how I'm saying it now, because I know that people in Kenya are listening. I know deep in my soul something supernatural is going to happen in Nairobi, Kenya. I feel that. I may very well come back - and you and Jan are coming. Paul and Jan are coming to Nairobi with me - ""But Paul we may very well come back with footage of Jesus on the platform""?? ((WTF?? you allow this crap in your midst??.)) Now hear this - ""I'm prophesying this"": Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is about to appear physically in some churches and some meetings and to many of His people, for one reason - ""to tell you He's about to show up"".

and you call preterist "HERITICS???"



Now why is this outright deception on futurist holdings to the "new supernatural" and why i detest futurist thought?? It's because scarcely weeks before Hinn's prophecy a Florida newspaper drew attention to New Age guru Benjamin Crème's prediction that the second coming of Christ had taken place in Nairobi, Kenya. "Florida Today" reported that in a photograph utilized by Crème this dark-skinned, heavily bearded man in a white headdress and a white robe seemed to float above a crowd of worshippers at a healing service in Nairobi, Kenya. Florida Today not only noted the mass healings that allegedly took place but reported that even though Christians present firmly believe that Jesus Christ appeared to them that day, Crème held that Maitreya, the fifth and final incarnation of the Buddha, had materialized. your futurist unholy prophets are sick puppies, and you offer to me to have the same spirit within me as HINN?? AND you want me to believe "YOU" have the correct way of interpreting the bible????

In any case another eight years has gone since the "prophet Hinn" predicted that Jesus would appear physically in churches and crusades. We're now in 2008 and his prophecy remains unfulfilled.

One thing does not remain unfulfilled: the Apostle Peter predicted two thousand years ago "Jesus must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything." yes i can read wouldee - but your futurist family stinks, to put upon me that i'm speaking heretical means nothing, i do not claim to be a prophet for your god, or a spokesman for your god, or a believer in your god, and if your concerned for what hinn and others have done, then kick them out of your churches, take TBN and 700 club and all the rest of that crap off the air, maybe in another 100 yrs a new family of berlievers can be pursueded not to look at your history and blindly accept your futurist teachings!! "And" tell everyone hear that your "futurist" teachings are full of bigoted, liars and hypocrit's, and "heritics" also, dont try to come off as this holier than thou, I or we have gods truth and no one else crap.

your entitled to your opinions wouldee, but that is all they are, just as i am entitled to mine and that's all they are.

i thought we weren't posting anymore lmao

new day things to reply to, sorry

wouldee

as for all your biblical quotes from john and matthew you still dont get it! you leave out the audiece factor all together, all of what christ says to the apostles or the apostles to the other christians is for that time, not this time - all of you try to make what was said then to mean "you" - now in the present, thats where your screwed up, if and i say if the preterist are correct, then that is why you are blind, even if the preterist are not correct it is still so. The futurist have done nothing but bring doubt to all as to beieving them because of lindsey, hinn and a mutitude of others, you cannot now make up for it and let it continue also, the time for your rapture is past as is all other things you hope for. you can continue to believe them all you want, but dont try to pass them off to me or others as being true, if they were ever true at all it was for that time only, not now.

as to your mention of matt: 27 - 50-53????

what is your point??

are you reffering to the events that took place at jesus' death??

if so why?
do you mean me to take that his words "it is finished" means somehing other than he had then paid the price he came to pay?

if not then do you mean the event's them selves?

in what context do you want to make me see what your saying?

oh no, dont tell me you think this is a sign of the ressurection??

if so you are wrong the signs of his death and the earthquake and tearing of the curtain are sings ony for the jews to let them know there sacrificial means of having their sins forgiven were ended, and that only by salvation of jesus would they be able to be saved from then on. thats not preterist thats me!

or could you think that the graves being opened and "MANY" - NOT ALL - bodies of the saints, which slept arose means that the ressurection of the dead occured at that point, tsk tsk, 53 states clearly this did not take place at his death but upon "HIS" jesus' ressurection. nowhere is it stated by anyone jesus or the angels that those who arose were taken to heaven with him at his ascension. for all i know they were still there till they were raptured with the living believers in ad 70. if thats your thinking then lazurus would have been the same.

any way explain your self or dont post without making it clear what your getting at.

i'll state again, futurist dispenvangilist teachings are wrong, they have only been accepted for the last 3 generations of those who have been brought up within the evangelical scofield churches! they are "past revelations, not future things to came. no matter how many long post or copy and paste you put up - is going to change that, no matter how heretical you think of my postings are, they are correct to the point of showing your futurist beliefs wrong.Yuor wait for jesus' late return,rapture,belief in the temple rebuilding or revelations seen through the eyes of futurist teachers is anything but the truth. If you see your jesus it will only be when you die from natural causes and go to the heaven you believe in. Meanwhile - suck it up, and live with the fact, your only going to die and go to your heaven.