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Topic: QURAN AND THE BIBLE
smiless Joined Wed 09/26/07 Posts: 13765	Sat 07/05/08 09:44 PM
Could the Quran and the Bible bo off the same teachings but with different stories only. Could as some believe that Mohammed was the last prophet to walk the Earth and was sending a final message of what we should believe in? Do Christians believe in Mohammed as a prophet as Muslims believed in Jesus.

beauty314 Joined Sat 04/19/08 Posts: 1709	Sat 07/05/08 09:55 PM
Christ stopped time..no other has achieved such a thing..I personally think that Muslims needed something as great as Christ and came up with their own version of the Messiah because they could never accept a Jewish savior..so yeah its all good

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Sat 07/05/08 09:56 PM
Somebody is gonna say something bigoted I guarantee it

robert1652 Joined Wed 11/14/07 Posts: 8447	Sat 07/05/08 10:10 PM
Somebody is gonna say something bigoted I guarantee it I never do religion

Belushi Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 2995	Sun 07/06/08 01:01 AM
Jesus is actually the second ranked prophet of Allah. He is obviously after Mohammed (pbuh) But Jesus is nothing more than a man

Britty Joined Sat 09/08/07 Posts: 3480	Sun 07/06/08 06:48 AM
Could the Quran and the Bible bo off the same teachings but with different stories only. Could as some believe that Mohammed was the last prophet to walk the Earth and was sending a final message of what we should believe in? Do Christians believe in Mohammed as a prophet as Muslims believed in Jesus. No

beauty314 Joined Sat 04/19/08 Posts: 1709	Sun 07/06/08 11:33 AM
Jesus is actually the second ranked prophet of Allah. He is obviously after Mohammed (pbuh) But Jesus is nothing more than a man I thought Christ was crucified shortly before Mohammud became a prophet..oops my bad..what is (pbuh)?

sam53 Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 2073	Sun 07/06/08 11:54 AM
Christ stopped time..no other has achieved such a thing..I personally think that Muslims needed something as great as Christ and came up with their own version of the Messiah because they could never accept a Jewish savior..so yeah its all good The Jews do not believe in Jesus because their religion was before Christianity .

sam53 Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 2073	Sun 07/06/08 11:54 AM
Christ stopped time..no other has achieved such a thing..I personally think that Muslims needed something as great as Christ and came up with their own version of the Messiah because they could never accept a Jewish savior..so yeah its all good The Jews do not believe in Jesus because their religion was before Christianity .

beauty314 Joined Sat 04/19/08 Posts: 1709	Sun 07/06/08 12:14 PM
Christ stopped time..no other has achieved such a thing..I personally think that Muslims needed something as great as Christ and came up with their own version of the Messiah because they could never accept a Jewish savior..so yeah its all good The Jews do not believe in Jesus because their religion was before Christianity . True...the Jewish religion still awaits the coming of the Messiah and do not believe it is Christ, however, Christ is Jewish from a Jewish bloodline and Muslims and Jews have an inherent hate for each other. Muhammed saw a good thing and brought a scattered people together...brilliant!

Belushi Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 2995	Sun 07/06/08 12:27 PM
Jesus is actually the second ranked prophet of Allah. He is obviously after Mohammed (pbuh) But Jesus is nothing more than a man I thought Christ was crucified shortly before Mohammud became a prophet..oops my bad..what is (pbuh)? Belief in all of the Prophets and Messengers of God is a fundamental article of faith in Islam. Thus, believing in Prophets Adam, Jesus, Moses, and Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon them) is a requirement for anyone who calls him or herself a Muslim. A person claiming to be a Muslim who, for instance, denies the Messengership of Jesus, is not considered a Muslim. According to Islam, Allah lifted Jesus up to be with him. He did not die on the cross, he was not resurrected. pbuh is the traditional way that muslims address their prophets. it stands for "peace and blessings be upon him"

beauty314 Joined Sat 04/19/08 Posts: 1709	Sun 07/06/08 01:51 PM
Thankyou for that, Belushi..a question for you..i noticed that the Quran demands death for all those who do not believe in the Muslim tradition..perhaps i am lost in the english translation..what are your thoughts on that?

Belushi Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 2995	Sun 07/06/08 08:16 PM
Thankyou for that, Belushi..a question for you..i noticed that the Quran demands death for all those who do not believe in the Muslim tradition..perhaps i am lost in the english translation..what are your thoughts on that? The reason I am not going to answer that is that I dont actually know the muslim perspective on this - yet! I live in Egypt and will ask an Imam today at prayers. I could guess .... The Koran denies the Christian concept of the Trinity. More than that, it denies the divinity of Christ. Its position is that Jesus was just another human, a prophet, a good man. Because the divinity of Christ is such a core teaching of Christianity, one that underlies so many other teachings (such as that of redemption through the blood of Christ), the Koran, in essence, calls the teachings of Jesus and the early Christian apostles a lie. Most of the main teachings of Christianity are predicated on the claims of Jesus, his claim to be the son of God, of divine nature. The Koranic stance denies this claim and amounts to a denial of all Christian teaching and belief. Jesus clearly claimed divinity. So what do we have here? Six hundred years after the time of Christ an angel supposedly manifested himself to Mohammed and told him that Jesus was not the Son of God and claims to this effect were a lie. Since, according to the account of the Christian apostles, Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, it is obvious that someone was indeed lying --- the angel, Mohammed, Jesus or the early Christian apostles. There is lie and fraudulence everywhere in every religion (IMO). So, I am guessing that due to its anti-other Abrahamic religious stances, Islam means Christians and Jews. It doesnt mention any of the Far Eastern religions. But, as I said, I dont have a muslim perspective on this, but I will have this afternoon.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 07/06/08 08:21 PM
Could the Quran and the Bible bo off the same teachings but with different stories only. Could as some believe that Mohammed was the last prophet to walk the Earth and was sending a final message of what we should believe in? Do Christians believe in Mohammed as a prophet as Muslims believed in Jesus. If you read both of them, you will see alot of similarity.

beauty314 Joined Sat 04/19/08 Posts: 1709	Sun 07/06/08 09:47 PM
thankyou...your summary was excellent.I am looking forward to the words of the Iman..

davidben1 Joined Wed 12/05/07 Posts: 6120	Mon 07/07/08 05:54 AM
WHAT WISDOM DOES NOT FIND THAT ITSELF BE A FOOL....... IS NOT A FOOL ONE THAT ALWAYS FEEL GREAT LOVE, AND THEN OTHERS PROCLAIM WISDOM FOR THIS ONE...... THIS STATE IS RAN FROM BY THE HEART, BY A MIND THAT SEEKS TO NEVER BE MADE TO FEEL AS A FOOL, AS THE PAIN IS AT FIRST GREAT, BUT THERE COME NO FEELING OF LOVE UNTIL PASSED THRU...... EVEN THE GREATEST OF WOMEN WILL FOLLOW A FOOL, AS THIS ONE CAN SEE HE IS WRONG, AND GREAT LOVE THEN IS "ALLOWED" TO EMIT FROM HER HEART, AND FOREVER FRIENDSHIP OVER LOVE SEEKING IS BORN..... IF ANY SEEK WISDOM IT WILL ALWAYS ELUDE....... WHEN ONE COME TO THE END OF SEEKING ANYTHING, THEN ALL PEACE COME IN AN INSTANT

davidben1 Joined Wed 12/05/07 Posts: 6120	Mon 07/07/08 06:06 AM Edited by davidben1 on Mon 07/07/08 06:07 AM
Thankyou for that, Belushi..a question for you..i noticed that the Quran demands death for all those who do not believe in the Muslim tradition..perhaps i am lost in the english translation..what are your thoughts on that? The reason I am not going to answer that is that I dont actually know the muslim perspective on this - yet! I live in Egypt and will ask an Imam today at prayers. I could guess .... The Koran denies the Christian concept of the Trinity. More than that, it denies the divinity of Christ. Its position is that Jesus was just another human, a prophet, a good man. Because the divinity of Christ is such a core teaching of Christianity, one that underlies so many other teachings (such as that of redemption through the blood of Christ), the Koran, in essence, calls the teachings of Jesus and the early Christian apostles a lie. Most of the main teachings of Christianity are predicated on the claims of Jesus, his claim to be the son of God, of divine nature. The Koranic stance denies this claim and amounts to a denial of all Christian teaching and belief. Jesus clearly claimed divinity. So what do we have here? Six hundred years after the time of Christ an angel supposedly manifested himself to Mohammed and told him that Jesus was not the Son of God and claims to this effect were a lie. Since, according to the account of the Christian apostles, Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, it is obvious that someone was indeed lying --- the angel, Mohammed, Jesus or the early Christian apostles. There is lie and fraudulence everywhere in every religion (IMO). So, I am guessing that due to its anti-other Abrahamic religious stances, Islam means Christians and Jews. It doesnt mention any of the Far Eastern religions. But, as I said, I dont have a muslim perspective on this, but I will have this afternoon. BOTH ISLAM AND THE CHRISTIANS WOULD BOTH BE CORRECT IT SEEMS IF ANY BELIEVED THAT JESUS ALSO SAID "ALL WERE CHILDREN OF GOD" WHICH HE DID...... IF THERE BE CHILDREN, THEN THERE BE NEED FOR BILLIONS OF SONS AND DAUGHTERS, AS ALL WERE EVEN CALLED LATER IN TEXT....... GOD WAS SAID TO BE "ANYTHING THAT A MAN "CANNOT" CREATE THRU HUAMN EFFORT"...........MEN AROUND JESUS THAT "THOUGHT" HE WAS GOD CALLED HIM AS SUCH.......HE NEVER SAID HE WAS......HE SAID HE WAS A SON ONLY, JUST AS EACH HUMAN MAN BORN, AND IF EACH BE UNIQUE, AS ONE SEES IF THEY LOOK AROUND, THEN ALL ARE "A FIRST BEGOTTEN ONE" OR TOTALLY "ONE OF A KIND".......PEACE

davidben1 Joined Wed 12/05/07 Posts: 6120	Mon 07/07/08 06:09 AM
Christ stopped time..no other has achieved such a thing..I personally think that Muslims needed something as great as Christ and came up with their own version of the Messiah because they could never accept a Jewish savior..so yeah its all good since time has still continued it would seem beg to ask "how can this be"

Belushi Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 2995	Mon 07/07/08 09:10 AM
david ... small tip. dont use capitals, its classed as shouting, and as much as I would like to read what you have written, Im not going to concentrate that hard to read it all capitalised ... sorry

beauty314 Joined Sat 04/19/08 Posts: 1709	Mon 07/07/08 09:59 AM
Christ stopped time..no other has achieved such a thing..I personally think that Muslims needed something as great as Christ and came up with their own version of the Messiah because they could never accept a Jewish savior..so yeah its all good since time has still continued it would seem beg to ask "how can this be" you are correct..time has still continued and this is a good question. Time, in much of the world , is measured by events occuring before Christ and after Christ. Recently it has become politically incorrect to use a "religious figure" to label time and so we are supposed to say BCE(before common era)...etc. The fact is...the time of Christ's ministry heralded a new age of Man as is reflected in our present system..a new dimension in the overall sceme of creation. I tend to think that the atonement had to have had something to do with that. It is a ridiculously simple concept but I've found that in essence the things of God are brilliant in their simplicity...so simple that I need help to understand...