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i am dragonyosh and i am here to say we christians need to stick together and not let one of our brothers or sisters get harassed or bad mouthed by others or even afraid to stand up for God!!! we need to be united like they are and defend one another and i thank those who defended me and came to help me when i was in trouble and know that i will be there if you come to me for help!!! Are you being harassed ?. Poor , poor little soul . Why on earth would anyone do that ?.  .
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there never is a problem for us, my brother.
We have the victory in Christ and the turmoil of the world which we left behind at the cross is still going to be around us. all the dancing around about whether or not God exists in the fullness of Christ Jesus are just excuses. I excuse them. Likewise, we know and we didn't once. No problem. 
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there never is a problem for us, my brother. We have the victory in Christ and the turmoil of the world which we left behind at the cross is still going to be around us. all the dancing around about whether or not God exists in the fullness of Christ Jesus are just excuses. I excuse them. Likewise, we know and we didn't once. No problem. So you are in turmoil with and without religion !. Sad , sad .....sad life indeed !. Not all people believe that a single man who had a man 's body is their saviour and all that crap .....etc .  .
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Edited by
wouldee
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Sat 06/28/08 08:13 AM
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not so, Sam. Nothing sad about the one that has blessed me, at all.
I see you have questions dancing on your head. that is the turmoil, Sam. Let's pause here and let that go.   |
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i am dragonyosh and i am here to say we christians need to stick together and not let one of our brothers or sisters get harassed or bad mouthed by others or even afraid to stand up for God!!! Why should anyone need to stand up for God? Don't you think God can stand up for himself? Do you sincerely believe that God favors you over non-believers in the bible? If you do, you must believe that God is a terrible demon. A God who would reject people because they don't believe in a particular ancient mythology. How could they possible be rejecting God? Have you stopped to think about that at all? The bible isn't God.  It can't be from God. It contains too much hate. It's is hateful toward non-believers in the book! But non-believes in the book are not non-believers in God. You may not be able to see the folly in this, but an all-wise all-intelligent creator most certainly would be able to see it. Therfore the biblical account of god cannot possibly be true. In order for it to be true, god would need to be unintelligent. Rejecting ancient stories that contradict themselves and condone the murder of heathens, slavery, selling women to men for wives, and stoning unruly children can't possible be from the creator of this universe. Clearly those terrible hateful acts were inventions of men. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 06/28/08 08:17 AM
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well i am not trying to make it an us and them thing but there is so much i can take before i defend my Christianity!!! Yes you are. And then you deny it. Just think about the words in your original post. They sound like some guy trying to rally a mob of people. i am dragonyosh and i am here to say we christians need to stick together and not let one of our brothers or sisters get harassed or bad mouthed by others or even afraid to stand up for God!!! we need to be united like they are and defend one another and i thank those who defended me and came to help me when i was in trouble and know that i will be there if you come to me for help!!! "We need to be united like they are...." This line suggests how you perceive the situation. You perceive that we 'non-Christians' are united against you 'Christians.' Then you suggest that you not only have to defend yourself against non-Christians but that you need to defend each other as if each Christian has been a target of some kind of personal attack. This is clearly an "us against them" picture of reality. Picture this: What if aliens invaded the earth and started killing off humans. Are you going to care whether the human fighting next to you is a Christian or not? Probably not. Because then it would be humans against aliens, not Christians against non-Christians. Belief systems change, opinions change. A discussion about religion or a belief system can be perceived as an attack if you are easily offended, but to be offended or not is something you and you alone are in control of. There is a difference between a personal attack and one that addresses or attacks a belief system. Here is an example: The flying spaghetti monster is a false god, and the religion is a complete fraud. <---------------attack on the religion. You are an idiot if you believe in that flying spaghetti monster nonsense. <-----------------Personal attack. (No offense to any flying spaghetti monster believers, I was only using your religion as an example.) JB P.S. Now I have to get ready for our weekly non-Christian, meeting on how to destroy all the religions of the world.   |
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We have the victory in Christ and the turmoil of the world which we left behind at the cross is still going to be around us. The only victory you could possible have in Christ would be an egotistical victory. It's all about saving individiual egotistical spirits. Humanity as a whole is worthless in this religion. It's all about individual egos being saved from eternal damnation. It's totally a self-centered religion. It's a God-hording religion that bread brotherly hate, not brotherly love. It creates a division bewteen men. Believers, versus non-believers. ~~~ In fact, Wouldee, just try for one second to think about it using true reason. If Christians could succeed in converting the entire globe to Christiainty the celebration would be very short lived indeed. All the different sects of Christianity would then start turning on each other trying to convert each sect. Just like the Christians are trying to convert Jews. It's not good enough that they believe in the God of Abraham. Christians won't rest until they confess that Jesus Christ is lord. It's a blood bath of insistence upon a single godhead being worshiped. Islam and the Quran are also considered to be heathen, yet they too are actually from that same religion originally. Christianity is a undoable religion. It cannot surive. It must be exposed for the false religion that it is. As must all religions that arose from ancient Mediterranean mythologies. The fact that so many Americans are naive enough to still believe in this nonsese is truly sad. We may have move into the 21st in terms of technology, but mentally the vast majority of the masses are still living in the dark ages of superstition and bigotry. |
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Sorry to invade in the Christian thread, I know I am not wanted here. Just a thought to disclose. These threads that you see as an attack on Christianity are not. They are simply people with thirsty minds pondering different ideas and welcoming different opinions. Even yours. I like a good debate. Yes they get somewhat heated, but I do not see them as an attack on your personal beliefs. I was a Christian at one point in my life. Yes...a real Christian, with the same beliefs and the same Holy Spirit. I pushed my convictions down any ones throats the same as you. But, the one thing I do know, is that success in conveying the message of "the so called, love of christ" is not done with hateful words or any amount of insecurity. Seeing these things as an attack, will only make you seem to waver in your beliefs. You should ponder these questions, with an open heart and see them as an oppurtunity to share what you have found to be true. I have my beliefs and you have yours. I embrace mine with the same conviction as you. I have experienced feeling high on Christ, just as I now experience the unburden of Christianity in my life. Try sharing your convictions with love for your fellow man, instead of building an army to shoot us down.
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Sorry to invade in the Christian thread, I know I am not wanted here. Just a thought to disclose. These threads that you see as an attack on Christianity are not. They are simply people with thirsty minds pondering different ideas and welcoming different opinions. Even yours. I like a good debate. Yes they get somewhat heated, but I do not see them as an attack on your personal beliefs. I was a Christian at one point in my life. Yes...a real Christian, with the same beliefs and the same Holy Spirit. I pushed my convictions down any ones throats the same as you. But, the one thing I do know, is that success in conveying the message of "the so called, love of christ" is not done with hateful words or any amount of insecurity. Seeing these things as an attack, will only make you seem to waver in your beliefs. You should ponder these questions, with an open heart and see them as an oppurtunity to share what you have found to be true. I have my beliefs and you have yours. I embrace mine with the same conviction as you. I have experienced feeling high on Christ, just as I now experience the unburden of Christianity in my life. Try sharing your convictions with love for your fellow man, instead of building an army to shoot us down. As far as I am concerned you are welcome here. These are public forums, not segregated.  
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I am thankful that Jesus didn't espouse to be for everyone.
Apparently, he surrounds Himself with others that will understand and appreciate that which sustains Him as well. And that is entirely His right. I happen to rest in that, regardless of anyone else resting in that. As a matter of fact, I am glad that He is selective. I am also glad for the toughest lessons I have ever faced in my life. My challenges come directly from the Creator and they are the hardest lessons I have ever faced. Where I land on all of them is entirely subject to His judgement, and how it all will benefit me is secondary to the benefits which now are present in my life, which are nothing short of all-encompassing trials and tribulations which bring me into a deeper knowledge of truth. It is no surprise to me that Jesus Christ is villified and rejected by men. I knew that before I sought His guidance. I know it even better now. But being likened to a judgemental and prejudicial bigot by men that have not dared to enter into the challenges of Jesus Christ is inconsequential and an utterly ridiculous worry unworthy of any angst on my part. I have more important things to consider, and one of them is how well I will be found pleasantly surrounded by more of His grace and love with each challenge before me while I am living in this world, today. And even though my own righteousness is an abundance of lack of His, I am assured at all times that His righteousness is not slack or lacking. If that is laughable to anyone else, it is reverential for me still to consider today how better to remain humble, contrite, meek and lowly before God, not men. As far as that goes, I will not please but a few in this lifetime, let alone concern myself with how little Jesus Christ pleases any man of any other persuasion. He keeps me very busy learning His lessons which He finds fit for me to endure. To that end, since my spirit and soul rests in the grace and mercy of Almighty God, today, I shall leave now to toil with my body for food , shelter and housing and bring my soul and spirit with me. Oh yes, and lest I forget to mention.... He is coming with me. He doesn't like to be left out of my doings, be they mine alone or not.... be they benefitting His glory or not.... be they showing His goodness reflected in me or not.... be they completely in His will or not... because, you see, he never leaves me. He chooses to go through everything I do, think, feel, observe, contemplate, ignore, slacken, goof up, fall short of, misconstrue, and otherwise be less than He would have from me for my own good. Nevertheless, he will let me know what I need by the needs I present Him every moment through my actions. That is something that most men will never know anything about, ever. Not now, and not later. That I apprise that with my highest esteem is my choice. That others exercise their own, whatever they may be, is inconsequential to the life I now live, and will remain so. Have a wonderful day, everyone.    |
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I am thankful that Jesus didn't espouse to be for everyone. Apparently, he surrounds Himself with others that will understand and appreciate that which sustains Him as well. And that is entirely His right. I happen to rest in that, regardless of anyone else resting in that. As a matter of fact, I am glad that He is selective. I am also glad for the toughest lessons I have ever faced in my life. My challenges come directly from the Creator and they are the hardest lessons I have ever faced. Where I land on all of them is entirely subject to His judgement, and how it all will benefit me is secondary to the benefits which now are present in my life, which are nothing short of all-encompassing trials and tribulations which bring me into a deeper knowledge of truth. It is no surprise to me that Jesus Christ is villified and rejected by men. I knew that before I sought His guidance. I know it even better now. But being likened to a judgemental and prejudicial bigot by men that have not dared to enter into the challenges of Jesus Christ is inconsequential and an utterly ridiculous worry unworthy of any angst on my part. I have more important things to consider, and one of them is how well I will be found pleasantly surrounded by more of His grace and love with each challenge before me while I am living in this world, today. And even though my own righteousness is an abundance of lack of His, I am assured at all times that His righteousness is not slack or lacking. If that is laughable to anyone else, it is reverential for me still to consider today how better to remain humble, contrite, meek and lowly before God, not men. As far as that goes, I will not please but a few in this lifetime, let alone concern myself with how little Jesus Christ pleases any man of any other persuasion. He keeps me very busy learning His lessons which He finds fit for me to endure. To that end, since my spirit and soul rests in the grace and mercy of Almighty God, today, I shall leave now to toil with my body for food , shelter and housing and bring my soul and spirit with me. Oh yes, and lest I forget to mention.... He is coming with me. He doesn't like to be left out of my doings, be they mine alone or not.... be they benefitting His glory or not.... be they showing His goodness reflected in me or not.... be they completely in His will or not... because, you see, he never leaves me. He chooses to go through everything I do, think, feel, observe, contemplate, ignore, slacken, goof up, fall short of, misconstrue, and otherwise be less than He would have from me for my own good. Nevertheless, he will let me know what I need by the needs I present Him every moment through my actions. That is something that most men will never know anything about, ever. Not now, and not later. That I apprise that with my highest esteem is my choice. That others exercise their own, whatever they may be, is inconsequential to the life I now live, and will remain so. Have a wonderful day, everyone. Lol...God loves everyone...even me, if he exists! And says so clearly in the bible. And by the way...if God exists, he is everywhere, not just with you! Keep thinking that way...you will definitely lead alot of people to your lord. You really need a dose of reality and someone who knows what the hell they are talking about to guide you down the right path as a Christian. I did not say anything attacking to you, yet you seem to find the need to condemn me. This is the exact reason I do not believe in organized religion. |
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Dragon, you will find on here that this is indeed a p;ublic forum, where everyone is free to voice their opinion, as long as it is not a personal attack. You will also find that there are a group who cannot, and will not, allow a christian discussion,, nor any other religious discussion to proceed without bashing, insulting, and trying to bully all people who espouse a religious belief. They are adept at directing their insults at religious people in general, while wording it in such a manner that they can attack an individual, while still escaping the wrath of the mods. Or, they can successfully get the thread deleted by baiting another.
The best solution I can offer you is to simply ignore their posts and continue with your discussion with the people whom you choose to have the discussion with. Otherwise, you will simply be defending your beliefs against the same drivel posted forever. |
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Buffry,
oh dear. That was not directed at you personally, dear one. Your post was not there when I shared what is in my heart. But hey, you have a great day, won't you. Do like I do. Walk your own walk.
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Buffry, oh dear. That was not directed at you personally, dear one. Your post was not there when I shared what is in my heart. But hey, you have a great day, won't you. Do like I do. Walk your own walk. Well, thank you! That is the nicest response I have heard from a person yet, on these forums. You have a nice day too and hopefully we can have a stimulating conversation another day. It truly does interest me. Although I do come across as bashing at times. Do not take it as a personal attack. |
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It is no surprise to me that Jesus Christ is villified and rejected by men.  It is not some mythical character called Jesus Christ being 'vilified.' In fact there was never a real man with that name back then.... ever. If a man existed who that story was based upon that was not his name at all, and he was not the son of god. That is not called vilifying. It is calling a myth a myth. People don't 'vilify' Jesus. If anything they call him god. The enormous dogma that has arisen from ancient scripture and the Church is what we detest and vilify, as it should be and as it is. The Church is the villian, not the people or the myth. Love is real and I see that in all people and all things. Joy is real. People are real. Why do they loose themselves in lies and illusion? Because they don't know themselves as real or as god. JB |
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Edited by
wouldee
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Sat 06/28/08 09:13 AM
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 Buffry, I am laughing now. Try to see what I mean. How others perceive things.... I have no control of where my post will fall and it fell on your heart to feel it how you will. I am laughing because that is precisely the type of trial and tribulation I face every day. Someone assuming that I am after them to cause them hurt. How much more, when I am not doing so? You see, dear one, God knows who is posting and where and when.... not us. But we make judgements about how chance falls to us. God doesn't see it as chance, but we do. But then, I have to laugh. My actions have made me offensive to you, even though I had no knowledge of your intentions to post. So, read my post again..... it might just make you laugh too. no wut i meen? 
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"Jesus" is the Greek form of the Hebrew "Joshua" (meaning "Jehovah saves"), Galileans during the time of Christ spoke Aramaic, but apparently they used Hebrew names for their kids the way Italian-Americans, say, might use an Italian name today.
By the time the Gospels were written in 60 AD or so, Greek had come into general use for literary purposes and "Joshua" Bar Joseph became "Jesus." The prefix bar- means "son of" in Aramaic, so "bar-Joseph" is roughly comparable to "O'Shaughnessy," or if you really want to get basic about it, "Joe's kid Josh." But you can see where that wouldn't fly in a script. Christ is Greek for the Hebrew Messiah, the annointed one. So, when we say Jesus Christ, we are actually saying: Jesus, the Anointed One of God. Kat |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Sat 06/28/08 09:31 AM
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I am thankful that Jesus didn't espouse to be for everyone. You're thankful for that? I think this is the sickest thing I ever saw anyone post.  Actually if you believe that Jesus was the creator of mankind, and that he also said that very few will make it into heaven, chances are real good that you will not be among those very few who make it. So ironically, you may actually be thankful that he designed creation in such a way that you yourself we be rejected from his heavenly kingdom. He said that the path is straight and the gate is narrow. Do you think you'll be one of the very few who make it? Are you going to be pleased if you do, knowing that the vast majority of souls did not make it? What kind of a creator designs a creation where the vast majority of the souls it creates end up in eternal damnation. You're thankful for that?  |
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I hope not Abra. I choose to believe that if any of us are to be bound for any heaven, that all of us are given what we need to be equal, at the time of such an event. I believe that we all come to an understanding at some time in our life, even if it be just before death.
I truely believe that God is in all of us. We just percieve in God differently. God is love, life and all things living. Kat |
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God the father, God the son and God the holy ghost is the trinity!!!! he came down as Jesus to save us from our sins that was committed by adam and eve!!!
the reason he did that is to bring us closer to him and have a closer walk to God and there is only one God that we should serve in which we should love others and try to bring them into the light in which they see the love and mercy of the Lord our Saviour who has healed the sick, made the lame to walk again as well as let the blind see again!!! |
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