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No offense intended here but is this the christian way of thinking, no abortion cause it is murder but death to anyone who may or may not be guilty of a crime, where is the forgiveness of christianity and the redeption of a lost soul in this whole thing here?

I was a victim of child molestation but I do not wish death on the perpetrator. So what does that make me?

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here is a video for you by Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers

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[/quote Hey Vanessa!

my name is not betsy...

i have a quote for you to contemplate

and then i am done with speaking with you

for all of eternity.....




Dare Greatly

It is not the critic who counts:
not the man who points out
how the strong man stumbles
or where the doer of deeds
could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man
who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust
and sweat and blood,
who strives valiantly,
who errs and comes up
short again and again,
because there is no effort
without error or shortcoming,
but who knows the great enthusiasms,
the great devotions,
who spends himself
for a worthy cause;
who, at the best, knows,
in the end, the triumph
of high achievement,
and who, at the worst,
if he fails,
at least he fails
while daring greatly,
so that his place shall never be
with those cold and timid souls
who knew neither victory nor defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt
"Citizenship in a Republic,"
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

I agree that those who would prey on children are the lowest of the low & that they destroy a life as nearly as if the child were left dead. The life that child might have led is forever gone from that moment on. Society must be protected from such predators.

I believe such people must be confined the remainder of their days. I have never heard of rehabilitation for a child predator and don't believe there is any hope for that. Various methods of castration only remove the weapon of choice and do not address female offenders. But I do not agree with the permanent solutions suggested above that eliminate any possible attempts of redress in the event that someone is wrongfully convicted. Studies have proven the fallibility of even eye witness acounts...between terror, trauma and time, mistakes are made. Permanently confining convicted offenders with only those similarly convicted would allow for the possibility of righting a wrong conviction, should it become known.

It is inherent in our legal system that some offenders of any of our laws will escape conviction in an effort to prevent the innocent from a wrongful conviction. Whether we wish to believe it or not, the plan was an effort to protect all of us...you & I, as well as the less savory members of our society. It is what those who came before us to establish our legal system intended. Innocent until proven guilty is just one example of their foresight. I believe that they may have even trusted that God would ultimately set the record straight by allowing those offenders who escaped just punishment to eventually reveal themselves & be convicted (if not of the original crime, then a subsequent one).

It is with that same regard that I oppose an 'ultimate'/'capital', permanent solution to the question of appropriate punishment for child predators...or to the death penalty period. The wrongful death at the hands of my government is committed in the name of all of this country's citizens...it is committed in my name. If & when it is required, I wish to pay for my sins & mine alone. Until all who are sentenced to death in my name are proven beyond TODAY'S standards of reasonable doubt (DNA evidence!), I will oppose the death penalty...or the permitting of other convicts to do the dirty work for those who believe incarceration is too lenient.

To those here who have suffered at the hands of horrendous vultures, I can give you only the tears & grief I have for the child we lost in you. I can only hope that there is a story of triumph and success for the child into which you were transformed because of such an experience. I grieve for what you have suffered and lost (what the world lost), but hope to be allowed to rejoice in the incredible people you become in spite of it. I am so sorry...and that rings so hollow in the face of what you've endured.

I will never understand the reasoning behind this decision. Speaking as a child rape victim, I have to live out a lifetime sentence of the horror that was done to me. I wished from the day it started (it lasted for 5 years straight from the time I was 8 years old til I was 13) that he would die. Instead, he got 18 months in prison.

It's been 29 years since it started and the laws have changed somewhat, but how fair is it that a child rapist can get out of jail after they serve a 5, 10, or even 25 year sentence and go on to live a "normal" life while the victim has to suffer for the rest of his/her life. The constant horrific memories of a touch, a smell or even silence are embedded in our minds and we are forced to live out a life time sentence of those memories. It never goes away, and it will never go away. When will they see that the death penalty is the only justice for this horrific crime?

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No offense intended here but is this the christian way of thinking, no abortion cause it is murder but death to anyone who may or may not be guilty of a crime, where is the forgiveness of christianity and the redeption of a lost soul in this whole thing here?

I was a victim of child molestation but I do not wish death on the perpetrator. So what does that make me?

Crimson, how can you say a rapist, child molester, or however you want to label them, can't fathom what kind of effect it will have on the child? This has been going on for years and years, it's not like it's a kept secret anymore. Everyone has idea of the repercussions that happen to the victim and to the predator themselves. I find it very hard to believe that they don't have the common sense to know that it is wrong. It's just that they don't care. And you can't convince me otherwise.

I often wonder what it would take to convince people of what it is like to be in my shoes or anyone else who has been through this ordeal. What will it take for people in society to realize the trauma that we have to endure day after day? Do we have to give them details? Because we can. The memories are still there. Every single disgusting one of them. I wonder if those judges that rejected the death penalty as a sentencing could handle every detail of what happened to me? Honestly, I don't think they could. But I think if they had to hear of all of our stories and everything we went through, and how it is affecting our lives even today, I think they would think twice on their decision and vote for it instead of against it.

SC is calling for Judges and Prosecutors to continue handing down execution sentences until the appeals have run their course.
Im divided in my belief that the Supreme Cort's decision is final and not open to further appeals.
While Im for the death penalty in child rape cases I also believe there is a time for the legalargument to stop and become final.
That should be with the Supreme Court!
Once they decide there should be no appeals!