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Topic: Is the Universe a hologram?
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Fri 06/20/08 10:51 PM
Is the Universe a hologram?

If one were to learn the ultimate structure of the Universe then I would think that we could figure out how things really worked, and in understanding how to implement the law of attraction we could do and create just about anything.

In a holographic universe there are no limits to the extent to which we can alter the fabric of reality.

The concept of the universe as a giant hologram containing both matter and consciousness as a single field will, I am sure excite anyone who has asked the question, “What is reality?” The book “The Holographic Universe” by Michael Talbot may answer that question once and for all.” ~says Fred Alan Wolf, Ph.D., author of “Taking the Quantum Leap.”

From the Book, page 31

Karl Pribram Ph.D, realized that if the holographic brain model was taken to its logical conclusions, it opened the door on the possibility that objective reality—the world of coffee cups, mountain vistas, elm trees, and table lamps—might not even exist, or at least not exist in the way we believe it exists. Was it possible, he wondered, that what the mystics had been saying for centuries was true, reality was maya, an illusion, and what was out there was really a vast, resonating symphony of wave forms, a "frequency domain" that was transformed into the world as we know it only after it entered our senses?
Realizing that the solution he was seeking might lie outside the province of his own field, he went to his physicist son for advice. His son recommended he look into the work of a physicist named David Bohm. When Pribram did he was electrified. He not only found the answer to his question, but also discovered that according to Bohm, entire universe was a hologram.

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Fri 06/20/08 10:52 PM
Ive often wondered the same thing......is this reality or an illusion of some sort???huh

<-------goes off to ponder this for 14 minutes...huh

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 06/20/08 10:56 PM
glasses Interesting glasses

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Fri 06/20/08 11:46 PM
This makes a lot of sense to me...I can also see Stephen Wolfram's work, especially the concepts of 'Universality of Behavior' and 'Processes of Perception & Analysis' linking well with the observations of 'Implicate & Explicate Order'. Wolfram's research strongly indicates that there is no such thing as "randomness" or "chance", at least when it comes to the physical world, with the existence of all things governed by mathematics - it's all based on the numbers. Even the organization of the grains of sand on a beach is determined according to a definable (albeit complex) mathematical formula at any given moment.

His book (A New Kind of Science) was one of the most elucidating I've ever read. It actually changed the way I thought about everything.

I read Schopenhauer's 'The World as Will and Idea' years ago, which also ties in with this, as a "cosmological sci-philosophy".

I'll have to see if I can pick up a copy of The Holographic Universe somewhere.

Great post!
flowerforyou

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Fri 06/20/08 11:56 PM
No randomness, hummmm.. I guess one really does not need randomness when you consider the amazing almost infinite complexity of cause and effect down to the quantum levels. It would seem random enough. Perhaps it was set up to be artificial randomness. :tongue:

JB

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Sat 06/21/08 12:07 AM
I am just about to start this book. :smile:

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Sat 06/21/08 12:10 AM
If you take it to it's logical conclusion, it starts to look more and more like a reality similar to the "Matrix", where everything is just "quantum" code; possibly so complex as to be near unfathomable, but code, none-the-less.

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Sat 06/21/08 12:11 AM
Well Neo is sitting right here next to me, and he is convinced that we actually live in pods and all of our exsistence is in the "matrix" whatever that means... Silly boy he is. laugh laugh laugh

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Sat 06/21/08 12:12 AM
Edited by izzie on Sat 06/21/08 12:13 AM
huh huh huh huh

lily.. did you aucutualy READ that???
i got bored after.. the universe.....yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn


can you "dumb it down for me???"
bigsmile









ok im lying.. this reminds me of my color theory....
but lex threatened to delete all my posts if i mentioned it again...
grumble

interesting theory..
flowerforyou

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Sat 06/21/08 12:12 AM

Well Neo is sitting right here next to me, and he is convinced that we actually live in pods and all of our exsistence is in the "matrix" whatever that means... Silly boy he is. laugh laugh laugh


You talk to him too?!?

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Sat 06/21/08 12:13 AM

huh huh huh huh

lily.. did you aucutualy READ that???
i got bored after.. the universe.....yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn


can you "dumb it down for me???"
bigsmile


Watch the matrix, same concept, different plane...

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Sat 06/21/08 12:14 AM

If you take it to it's logical conclusion, it starts to look more and more like a reality similar to the "Matrix", where everything is just "quantum" code; possibly so complex as to be near unfathomable, but code, none-the-less.


And we are merely bits of information storage...with consciousness. laugh huh hummmm...

Imagine the possibilities if we could find the control panel. huh

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Sat 06/21/08 12:15 AM


huh huh huh huh

lily.. did you aucutualy READ that???
i got bored after.. the universe.....yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn


can you "dumb it down for me???"
bigsmile


Watch the matrix, same concept, different plane...
:smile: yep :smile:

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Sat 06/21/08 12:30 AM
flowerforyou This is an ancient Hindu belief flowerforyou

flowerforyou Its called MAYA flowerforyou

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Sat 06/21/08 09:53 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 06/21/08 09:53 AM

flowerforyou This is an ancient Hindu belief flowerforyou

flowerforyou Its called MAYA flowerforyou


The ancient Hindu's did not believe in a holographic universe but they did understand the nature of reality when they described it as maya (illusion).

But you can also say that our reality is something we create for ourselves. The only real truth is self, or that which is us, which ultimately is what some call "god."

The introduction of the holographic universe begins to bring actual science into what was once a mystical idea. It peeks into the the actual fabric of our reality and how it is created.

Jeanniebean: flowerforyou

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Sat 06/21/08 10:13 AM
though unlimited, an hologram is a nonexistant image of something.
I refuse to think I'm part of nonexistant image.
If i were to learn that the universe were an hologram. Life would be meaningless, and I'd ask to be deleted from such nonsense.

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Sat 06/21/08 11:15 AM

though unlimited, an hologram is a nonexistant image of something.
I refuse to think I'm part of nonexistant image.
If i were to learn that the universe were an hologram. Life would be meaningless, and I'd ask to be deleted from such nonsense.


Request granted.
laugh
JKOC!

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Sat 06/21/08 11:34 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 06/21/08 11:42 AM

though unlimited, an hologram is a nonexistant image of something.
I refuse to think I'm part of nonexistant image.
If i were to learn that the universe were an hologram. Life would be meaningless, and I'd ask to be deleted from such nonsense.


When you sleep at night, you sometimes enter a world of dreams where you experience a self created holographic world. Unless you are having what is called a "lucid" dream, you never even think to question whether or not you are experiencing reality or just a dream. It is not until you wake up that you realize you were dreaming.

A lucid dream is one where you have the realization that you are dreaming. Then you can look around and see all that you have "created" with your mind. Some lucid dreams become as real as the reality you are seeing now, and some say that these realities are alternate realities.

So what makes them "just a dream?" Two things. One, their duration is not long enough. And two, your senses may not be as enhanced as they are in this reality.

So, all one has to do is increase the duration of the dream and enhance the perception of the senses, and bingo! you have a reality just as real as this one.

And you created it.

So what makes this world any different? How do you know you aren't going to wake up from this dream?

Jeannie

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Sat 06/21/08 11:41 AM
General discussion is getting interesting after all the ........that we endured seeing .
So general discussuion can indeed have some important aspects . grumble grumble .

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Sat 06/21/08 02:13 PM
Edited by TheLonelyWalker on Sat 06/21/08 02:14 PM


So, all one has to do is increase the duration of the dream and enhance the perception of the senses, and bingo! you have a reality just as real as this one.

And you created it.

So what makes this world any different? How do you know you aren't going to wake up from this dream?

Jeannie


Maybe my problem is that I'm way too realistic.
Ur disertation about the nature of dreams is absolutely correct.
However, I'm not interested in extend the duration of my dreams. I usually don't have time. I need to be fully awake to figure much more important things such as paying bills, working, etc.
I happen to make a real clear difference between dreams and reality.
this statement does not mean that I don't work to get my ideals done.
Notice I'm using the word IDEALS and not DREAMS. There is an inherent difference between those two terms.

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