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Topic: Will Oil Hurt Obama?
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Wed 06/18/08 07:26 PM


We dont need oil what soever, people survived before plastic was invented


That is ridiculous. Yeah, people survived without computers, microchips, cheaper advanced television sets, and gosh so many other things as well. Give up oil and give up computers. Go for it, but don't subjugate everyone else to pre-modern era technology. Oh yeah, and I'll see you on the highway in my steel car...lol.



Mean estimates from the [Minerals Management Service] indicate that technically recoverable resources currently off limits in the lower 48 OCS (Outer Continental Shelf) total 18 billion barrels of crude oil and 77 trillion cubic feet of natural gas....
The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher—2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case (Figure 20). Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.
At America's current consumption rates (20.8 million barrels of oil per day), the oil resources made available from lifting the moratorium would last this country less than two and a half years. http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/06/8708_mccain_on_off_s.html

2 1/2 yrs sailordrinker

Destroy ecosystems and eliminate species for 2 1/2 yrs of oil!

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Wed 06/18/08 07:33 PM

MIAMI _ John McCain's support for offshore drilling could hurt his prospects in the nation's largest battleground state, where voters have long favored safeguarding Florida's economically and environmentally precious coastline.

In a sign of the issue's volatility, several high-profile Florida Republicans in Tallahassee and Washington broke with their party's presumptive presidential nominee.

For anyone to represent that someone drilling off the coast in Florida is going to lower gas prices here or anywhere in this country is disingenuous and a flawed argument," said Republican House Speaker Marco Rubio, who added that he supports drilling off Florida's coast if it can be done safely.

"Oil drilling could take 10 years before any oil is pulled out of the ground
(Assume 10 yrs sailor, and never lowering oil prices)


and there are a large number of leases held by oil companies that are not being exploited now. We can't say we need more until we've exploited those."

And look thats a Republican saying that!!noway



10 years is a lie, when Democrats themselves said today 6 months. It's a ridiculous notion that you believe without any question, just like the 100 years in Iraq bull. Just because they have an R or a D doesn't mean they aren't complete dumbass. So, now you are doing the party knows best thing? When did you become such a tool? Big government, let's trust government to mandate what is best for us all. That's how you sound. Let the people and states decide, not Washington restricting us and now wanting to nationalize oil refineries like a Marxist state.

By the way, when there are more polar bears than there have ever been in recent decades, Artic Ice greater than seen in a long time, unprecedented snow in Canada and CHINA, as well as a shocking decrease in sun spots on the Sun similiar to the last little ice age. Global Warming hype is all a ploy by the big government types to lock up greater power in the central government and make people like Al Gore extremely wealthy off real fear mongering.

You ask all the firefighters I know how much they love the electric cars and hybrids. They fear electricution from those things.

Why aren't mass cars that run solely on hydrogen alone then being mass produced and marketed? We live in a green society now where the propaganda machines of the media flood us with green colors, shows run with renewable energy stunts (though VERY dim lights...lol) and all this other stuff. I can't turn on the TV nor go to my grocery store without seeing some "Green Movement" market campaign by all companies crap. Even Fox News is falling in line with the junk now because Murdoch himself is a big greenie. It's ridiculous.


Market to me a SOLELY hydrogen car that looks cool, runs just as well in all aspects as my current one, if not better, is CHEAP to purchase and I'm sold. But, that hasn't happened yet. For now, gas is expected to climb higher and higher, something has got to be done before everything shuts down.

Truckers cannot survive for much longer and without them transporting everything that everyone needs around this country this country will have foot shortages, supply shortages, companies will fall behind on production, and it will be absolute chaos. We need cheap OIL and we need it NOW.

We did it in World War II.

Completely change the economy till we get a grasp.

Drill Drill Drill

Build Build Build new refineries.

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Wed 06/18/08 07:35 PM
In California, the drilling issue is just as volatile, said Sal Russo, a veteran Sacramento, Calif.-based Republican consultant.

“California got really sensitive about these issues since the 1969 Santa Barbara oil spill. And I don’t think it’s changed much since then,” he said. “There are strong feelings on the issue.”

Indeed, an overwhelming 64 percent of Californians opposed opening up more of the state’s coast to oil drilling, according to a February 2006 survey by the Public Policy Institute of California. That figure was up 14 percentage points from 2004.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11154.html



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Wed 06/18/08 07:38 PM



We dont need oil what soever, people survived before plastic was invented


That is ridiculous. Yeah, people survived without computers, microchips, cheaper advanced television sets, and gosh so many other things as well. Give up oil and give up computers. Go for it, but don't subjugate everyone else to pre-modern era technology. Oh yeah, and I'll see you on the highway in my steel car...lol.



Mean estimates from the [Minerals Management Service] indicate that technically recoverable resources currently off limits in the lower 48 OCS (Outer Continental Shelf) total 18 billion barrels of crude oil and 77 trillion cubic feet of natural gas....
The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher—2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case (Figure 20). Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.
At America's current consumption rates (20.8 million barrels of oil per day), the oil resources made available from lifting the moratorium would last this country less than two and a half years. http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/06/8708_mccain_on_off_s.html

2 1/2 yrs sailordrinker

Destroy ecosystems and eliminate species for 2 1/2 yrs of oil!


You forget the Green River Basin. And destroy ecosystems and eliminate species? Who are you kidding? The animals in Alaska move around the pipeline like it was always there, they live near the thing for it is warmer. They are not under threat. Polar Bears now are like 13,000 greater than 1960.

And, THERE WERE NO oil leakages from the 109 oil platforms destroyed in the Gulf of Mexico during Katrina and Rita, and in fact, there is NATURAL oil seepage always in the oceans from this stuff. Oil leakage from the earth is natural, let's save the oceans and suck that stuff out of there before it pollutes it! HAH!

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Wed 06/18/08 07:38 PM
McCain is flip flopping and the oil drilling will cost him big.
McCain will lose anyway but this is the golden nail in his coffin!

I'll bet it wont pass!

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Wed 06/18/08 07:39 PM

In California, the drilling issue is just as volatile, said Sal Russo, a veteran Sacramento, Calif.-based Republican consultant.

“California got really sensitive about these issues since the 1969 Santa Barbara oil spill. And I don’t think it’s changed much since then,” he said. “There are strong feelings on the issue.”

Indeed, an overwhelming 64 percent of Californians opposed opening up more of the state’s coast to oil drilling, according to a February 2006 survey by the Public Policy Institute of California. That figure was up 14 percentage points from 2004.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11154.html


So? Don't drill there then. GREEN RIVER BASIN

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Wed 06/18/08 07:40 PM

McCain is flip flopping and the oil drilling will cost him big.
McCain will lose anyway but this is the golden nail in his coffin!

I'll bet it wont pass!


The last time he opposed a barrel of oil was not at $140 and it WAS NOT economically feasible for domestic oil production for it would not bring profit, it would have been an economic loss.

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Wed 06/18/08 07:44 PM
In 2000 a barrel of oil cost $25.

According to the CNN program I watched a company can only make domestic profit for a barrel of oil when I believe it was something around $55-75 for a barrel of oil.

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Wed 06/18/08 07:44 PM
Why arent hydrogen powered cars avilable in the US?

Good question. Maybe we should ask the neo-con god Bush.


GM Hydrogen Car - There is a GM hydrogen car called the Sequel that is tantalizingly close to full scale production for the many people (im)patiently waiting for a hydrogen powered vehicle. Environmentalists, technocrats, and people who are simply tired of gasoline prices skyrocketing with no end in sight may yet find their dreams of clean, affordable driving answered...

How Hydrogen Cars Work - A Car That Runs on Water? No Longer Science Fiction! With gas now in some places in the US over $5 a gallon, and even higher in other locations in the world, a gasoline-free car is now becoming a holy grail for car manufacturers. Such a car has been invented and may be available at a local car lot soon. Hydrogen vehicles are now being used around the world, emitting instead of noxious carbon dioxide harmless water vapour....

http://www.hydrogencarinfo.com/

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Wed 06/18/08 07:45 PM
They should do research on HHO gas. You can run your car on it with gasoline. Check out youtube about it. Stan Meyers run a car on it. Someone killed him. I think hydrogen is the way to go. The cars don t have to be electrical to run on it. All that comes out the tailpipe is water. 3/4 of the earth is water. If people can do this on their own why can t these big companies. I built one of the HHO Generator & it upped my mileage by 40%.

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Wed 06/18/08 07:46 PM
Hydrogen cars are not only the future, they are here, now. When hydrogen cars become the status quo, the U. S. can lessen its dependence upon foreign oil, achieve lower prices at the fuel pumps and cut down on the greenhouse gases that produce global warming. The future of hydrogen cars is not a pipe dream, as there are already many hydrogen cars on the road. California and Japan have many hydrogen cars being used as fleet vehicles now.

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/

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Wed 06/18/08 07:48 PM
And not destroy the environment.
Not eliminate Species from the face of the earth forever!

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Wed 06/18/08 07:49 PM
Edited by Starsailor2851 on Wed 06/18/08 07:49 PM

Why arent hydrogen powered cars avilable in the US?

Good question. Maybe we should ask the neo-con god Bush.


There you go, unsubstantiated rhetorical nonsense. I was hoping you would dive into such filth.

All the way back in April 2006 President Bush pushed for a huge alternative fuel search. Here is the html version since my adobe thing takes way too long to come up:
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:cSZYwYo6eK0J:biodiesel.org/resources/
pressreleases/gen/20060425_BushRFASummit.
pdf+Bush+calls+for+alternative+fuels&hl=en&ct=clnk&
cd=1&gl=us


Here is January 2007 from the NY Times: "Bush Seeks Vast, Mandatory Increase in Alternative Fuels and Greater Vehicle Efficiency" - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/24/washington/24energy.html

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Wed 06/18/08 07:50 PM
But they store the Hydrogen in a tank. They don t produce it on demand.

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Wed 06/18/08 07:50 PM

And not destroy the environment.
Not eliminate Species from the face of the earth forever!


You are destroying the environment right now, wiping species off the face of the earth, you should be ashamed.

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Wed 06/18/08 07:52 PM
The oil companies don t want you filling your car up with water they want it to be hydrogen gas or gasoline.drinker drinker

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Wed 06/18/08 07:55 PM
Those darn dinosaurs and millions of other species over the span of the life of the Earth going extinct all because of unnatural disruptions in their ability to survive. Gosh darn them. So volcanoes, climate change, meteors, other animals are natural disruptions to survival of species but the rise and influence of man is unnatural and wrong? Okay, go worship Mother Gaia.

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Wed 06/18/08 07:56 PM
Edited by Starsailor2851 on Wed 06/18/08 07:56 PM

The oil companies don t want you filling your car up with water they want it to be hydrogen gas or gasoline.drinker drinker


The Oil Companies WILL BECOME the suppliers of any energy we use for transport and we will still need massive amounts of oil for all the goods we use, the majority which have oil in them.

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Wed 06/18/08 09:33 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Wed 06/18/08 09:36 PM
Must see!!!drinker

http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/

Who Killed the Electric Car?

DVD Cover
Directed by Chris Paine
Written by Chris Paine
Starring Tom Hanks(from a recording)
Mel Gibson
Chelsea Sexton
Ralph Nader
Joseph J. Romm
Phyllis Diller
Narrated by Martin Sheen
Distributed by Sony Pictures Classics
Running time 92 min.
Language English


The film deals with the history of the electric car, its development and commercialization, mostly focusing on the General Motors EV1, which was made available for lease in Southern California, after the California Air Resources Board passed the ZEV mandate in 1990, as well as the implications of the events depicted for air pollution, environmentalism, Middle East politics, and global warming.

The film details the California Air Resources Board's reversal of the mandate after suits from automobile manufacturers, the oil industry, and the George W. Bush administration. It points out that Bush's chief influences, **** Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, and Andrew Card, are all former executives and board members of oil and auto companies.

A large part of the film accounts for GM's efforts to demonstrate to California that there was no demand for their product, and then to take back every EV1 and dispose of them. A few were disabled and given to museums and universities, but almost all were found to have been crushed; GM never responded to the EV drivers' offer to pay the residual lease value ($1.9 million was offered for the remaining 78 cars in Burbank before they were crushed). Several activists are shown being arrested in the protest that attempted to block the GM car carriers taking the remaining EV1s off to be crushed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F


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Wed 06/18/08 09:37 PM
I think Daniel was asking about that!drinker

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