not to be a jerk but any catholic or cristian person out there who spews
religious garbage as fact needs to remeber one thing..your whole
religion is based on 2 ppl having kids...then their kids having kids and
eventually we all came to be here on earth.sorry but i dont beleive we
are all here from incest.your sub conscience is your savior..if you want
it bad enough...if you think on it long enough your sub conscience will
make it happen

Everyone has an opinion, just cna't agree with this one.
I think the christian religion built on LOVE.

no opinion my freind...read your bible...its in black and white(mening
fact)...i made nothing up

oh...sub concscience thing...right on freind(had to re read what i wrote
lol)

Everyone reads their on interpertation of what is written.

little to convenient for me...that is my whole point...someone kills in
the name of their lord because of their interpretation of their
religions writings while another would tout the same scripts as somthing
completley diferent.religion ..to me...is the oldest con on earth meant
to subdue the minds of the masses..with no real messege beyond obedience
that couldnt be twisted to fit any need of self rightousness...if anyone
has it even close to right in my book its the zen bhudists

im waiting for the scientoligest inquisition,killing all who do not
follow the scripture of l.ron.hubbard...same exact thing as
catholosism..just a different era

btw...i did not mean this as an attack..did not mean to offend anyone
who did not fit the description i layed out.i am simply stateing my
beleifs on religion and my wearyness of the selfrightous.

You do not want to know him so you will not be revield the sword of the
lord .Your mind overshadows your heart! Your subconcience is your
savior.

Nope. Sorry *****willow. Your suggesting that Adam & Eve's children
incestuously spawned the human race.

In fact, the bible clearly says that lots of other people were created
BEFORE adam and eve:

Genesis Chapter 1, Verse 27:
"[On the sixth day] So God created man in his own image, in the image of
God created he him; male and female created them. And God blessed them,
and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the
earth"

Clearly we established that there were LOTS of humans. A little later
on, in the NEXT chapter, God makes Adam and then Eve. We also learn that
their children grew up, fought, and one killed the other. The naughty
boy repented, was shown mercy but told to get lost. He said "...but
where will I go? Who will I live with? I'll die lonely!" So what
happened? God told him "dont worry, you'll be ok" -

Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in
the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she
conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of
the city, after the name of his son, Enoch

Obviously, there were OTHER people on the earth. Just like it said,
literally, in the first chapter of the bible.


Point is *****willow, if you're going to bust balls about people's
religon, then know what you're talking about.

If dont like something that you've heard/understood, then fine, this is
the place to bring it up. Be respectful, acknowledge that you didnt do
any researching, and want to voice an opinion.

I think the subject incest is just clearly a life line is
proof that Jesus was a real person.
Your have the right to worry that its a heavy price to pay
to work the religion.
If someone grows in theology in this subject and finally
does pass and finds out its the truth. Then I geuss the devil
got you. Be at peace for the catholics for once.
Jesus paid the price for us.

i was raised by dcfs and forced to go to chuch...i did read the
bible...and still think its full of holes....you can take what i said
personally and try to quote all you want...adam and eve came
first,acording to your book,period.i didnt write it...just read it.so
you continue your assumtions on what i have or havnt done in defence of
your religion,fine,i can understand that...but to try and say that ppl
were here b4 adam and eve...go read your bible man...b4 you stick your
foot in your mouth again

i was raised by dcfs and forced to go to chuch...i did read the
bible...and still think its full of holes....you can take what i said
personally and try to quote all you want...adam and eve came
first,acording to your book,period.i didnt write it...just read it.so
you continue your assumtions on what i have or havnt done in defence of
your religion,fine,i can understand that...but to try and say that ppl
were here b4 adam and eve...go read your bible man...b4 you stick your
foot in your mouth again

"Point is *****willow, if you're going to bust balls about people's
religon, then know what you're talking about."(very next paragraph)
"If dont like something that you've heard/understood, then fine, this is
the place to bring it up. Be respectful, acknowledge that you didnt do
any researching, and want to voice an opinion."
you got some nerve talking about respect,but i would expect nothing less
from someone like you

ill bet their is some explination to the adam and eve thing in some
revised bible...how convenient

*****willow apparently you have not listened when you went to church,
alot of people tune it out when forced to go that is why I do not force
my children, they go on their own, there were other people adam and eve
were not related of course and cain left eden to the land of nod where
he met his wife who apparently was not related to adam or eve. We did
not ALL come from adam and eve respectively. You my son need to learn
the facts. Your comments are blasphemous and I sure would not want to
answer for that if I was you.

my point proven...the selfrightous never listen...they only think about
what they are going to say next...you were offended and you
attacked...guess i should expect nothing less giving religions
history.have a nice life and may whatever god you pray to give you
forgiveness for YOUR transgressions...see...you beleive,not i,therefore
i have nothing to fear.wasnt it jesus who said while playing poker with
bhuda"judge not lest ye be judged"...gotta love hipocracy.

WHOSE SELF RIGHTEOUS?

It's not unusual for the Bible to be misconstrued by alot of people.

When we read in the Bible that a person begat a person one or two
generations may have passed. An example to explain this is let's say
John begat Bob.

John had a son named Jeremy and Jeremy a son named Johan, Johan had a
son named Bob.

John begat through his sons and his son begat Bob. Lets' shorten this
remembering the Bible was written a thousands years after the fact, if
they were facts. John begat Bob. The intermediates having been people
that were not of great importance to relay the story have been emmited
for simplicity sake, a common practise when writting.

For incest to be a dicriminationg factor used to disqualify the Bible
the notion of using this inferrence has inherit holes in it's
hypothesis. In devoping an understanding of this we must first develop
an understanding of the word faith when used in reference to a beoief in
the Bible and religeon.

Faith is a belief in something that may or may not be based on a truth.
Much of the power of religeon is based on faith and yet this faith
remains to be a belief in something that may or may not be proven to be
true. People that beief in Religeon have also historically oppossed
science as in science a proof has to arrived at before a truth is known.
In science there may be some lack of evidence that the Bible is based
on truths. In religeon science can be challenged because faith is being
challenged against known truths. People has historically taken opposite
sides of the fence when these two topics are brought together. Using
incest as an example as a critic's choice to disqualify the Bible is an
event that has happened repeatedly over and over again in history. How
does science include religeon and religeon include science one might ask
when discussing the the evolution of man and the teachings of the Bible.
In the Bible it is taught incest is wrong and in science we learn that
all people originally came one source millions of years ago in Africa.
It was through a process of natural selection and thousands of years of
mutations and the patterns of inheritance that developed modern man.
Incest implies a procreation took place between two closely related
individuals. Father and daughter matings, mother and son matings,
brother and sister matings are exampes of incest. The realtionship
between the individuals is one of very close blood relationship. What
this means is the gene pool is very much like the other individual.
Sometimes when the gene pool has many common genes on both sides of the
chromosome chain it can result in recessive genes surfacing and without
a dominant gene being present an adverse or life threatening result
appears in the offsring. In science and in religeon incest is
discouraged unless one has avst knoeldge of how to manipulate he gene
through a process of selective breeding practises. All purebred animals,
birds fish etc. were developed using this method and often inbreeding
was resorted to develop a standard of perfection of variety within a
species. The mating of brotehrto sister has been used to narrow an gene
pool and type fix the characteristcs of an individual in it's offspring.
The question I think you asking is if incest is wrong then how could the
human race have developed to be what it is if
there was no incest at all during the evolution of man. This leads us
back to science and how science and religeon are joined at the hip.

Incest is when two closely related individuals mate and procreate. If
the individuals have enough distance in the relation to each other which
results in a wide enough gene pool that hybrid vigor is maintained then
the possibility of recessive genes surfacing is kept to reasonable
level. In science and in religeon incest is discouraged because as man
evolved it was learned through an observation of the results recessive
genes could come to the surface and be expressed in a negative way. The
Bible was written as a guide for living and it did not have the room to
include science. If it included science and scientfic explanations the
Bible would still be in a process of being written. This resulted in the
Bible appearing to have holes only because it does not go into complete
details about who begat who and how.

Sorry for long length of this. Any indepth explanation takes time and
many words...ha ha until edited. Bob begat Bob..right?
The edited version.

I don't view these topics as being ego supporting but more the result of
a lack of knowledge of the relationship between science and religeon.