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Topic: The Ugly Face of Humanity
Quikstepper's photo
Wed 06/11/08 12:39 PM

In the 80's and early 90's we were told we would not do any business with and communists regime that held thier people down. This is the reason why you or me are not allowed to go to Cuba. What about China? Are they a communists regime that holds thier people down? Yes they are. But the almighty rules changed for the face of ole George. Now we see china in all of our houses as the middle class has went down the tubes. No longer can a HS graduate go out and work hard and make a decent living. We must be of the upper class to beable to get that college education that we may continue and have become the society that holds its people down. This was a planned attach and hopefully we can change things so that the fighting and drug lords in our streets do not give more reason for our govt to move foward to a communist Regime.Blood shed comes in forms that are called to us in the darkand thier fore, for our own good. The atrosities u speak of our very real but the atrosities of preferring a war machine are much worse when those same dollars could end what u are talking about. Now we see gas prices go up. Why? IMO..The Govt. we have now does not want to lose thier hold on this war machine so this is no more than putting more pressure on it's own citizens that we must continue for the unrest will get worse if we bail out. So let us have a taste of what they claim will happen if we do. Another political monachary with backers in the background calling the shots. As we have a lot of influence over the worlds oil producers for good or for worse.As Pres. Clinton proved in 99 when he flew to SA and thier king threatened to pull out of OPEC if they limited production and OPEC backed down over 1 country. We have not seen any such thing in the last 8 years. Now you may say what does this have to do with bloodshed. Everything we shift our priorities not only for the rich but to weaken americans and get rid of so called undesirables across the world. Who is at the forfront of leading the way to genocide may I ask?..Shalom...Miles


Well actually...politically speaking...you are correct.

Without the God conscience people resort to cruelty & doggy dogness...eat or be eaten.

God forbids these things yet they happen because men are either kept in ignorance or become so cold hearted that they don't care about others.

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Wed 06/11/08 12:52 PM




So calling my very intelligent response dense and stupid and offensive makes you feel better? Well I am glad but you answered nothing intelligently so I guess I will have to say the same of you.bigsmile


Wow, you really burned me. laugh


Circumsizing women is a religious practice and is therefore not a crime as it is done in the name of god, right?


That is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. You must believe that Christians believe that anything done in the name of God is justified. News flash! We don't. Obviously, we don't. Obviously we wouldn't believe that anything done in the name of a god we don't believe in is right. It's just a completely loaded and stupid question. Everyone is a little bit dumber for having read it.


Not intending to burn you, just stating a fact. And the religious do believe if it says so in the book of whatever religion they use that is the rule of god it is therefore not a crime, death penalty is based on the "eye for and eye" of the bible, homosexulity is a stated as a sin of kind so religious shun the homosexual community, etc.... So my stating that circumsizing women is done in the name of god is therefore not a crime is completely accurate. Deny it all you want but you are lying if you do.


No, you are completely wrong. Many Christians (like me) oppose the death penalty. Homosexuality is called a sin, but Christians are commanded to not shun anyone for their beliefs. So Christians who "shun" homosexuals are sinning.

You are jumbling so many ideas together, that you are creating an incredible logical fallacy.

1) Christians wouldn't necessarily agree with any practice commanded by Allah (they are Christians, not Muslims).
2) There are 613 commandments in the Bible...only 10 directly apply to Christians. The reason for tha is that only 10 were given to all of the world, the other 603 were given to Israel. Christians use the 603 commandments to determine God's likes / dislikes, but they don't enforce them.
3) Death Penalty isn't based on "Eye for an Eye", if it was, everyone who commited murder would be executed.
4) Allah never called for women to be circumcised, but Mohammad did say "Do not cut too severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband", regulating circumcision.

Look at point 2...if a group of Christians stoned someone for witchcraft, blasphemy or another crime, Christians would openly denouce their actions and call for their punishment. It's as simple as that. There is no relgion on the earth that demands female circumcision, but it is very common in Islamic tribal cultures, because their scripture doesn't directly forbid such behavior.

So I stand by my previous statement, your question was stupid.


And so, you feel you are much less stupid than I? Well, to each their own. I still stand on my statement, if circumsizing women is done in the name of god as with the death penalty, restricting marriage to opposite sexes, shunning homosexuals, circumsizing men, etc.... then it is not a crime. It still falls into the same realm of religious doctrine and what qualifies as a crime in that realm.

As for the crimes of the religious in the past, witch hunts, etc... we do not even need to cover that, there are the religious to this day who would do it now if they thought it would be condoned by their flock. The abortion clinic bomber is a perfect example of that same philosophy today.

My opinion of course.

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Wed 06/11/08 02:17 PM

So calling my very intelligent response dense and stupid and offensive makes you feel better? Well I am glad but you answered nothing intelligently so I guess I will have to say the same of you.bigsmile


Some people have no choice but to insult others and attempt to degrade them. It's the only means they have of respondsing to their indefensible position. ohwell

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Wed 06/11/08 02:44 PM

And so, you feel you are much less stupid than I?


I haven't given it any thought. If you can be bothered to read what I posted, you will find that I commented on your statements, not on you. You are surely more than a few words on an internet forum, correct?

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Wed 06/11/08 02:45 PM


Some people have no choice but to insult others and attempt to degrade them. It's the only means they have of respondsing to their indefensible position.


1) I didn't insult anyone, that's a lie.
2) My position is indefensible? How? My position is that I posted facts. That's all. Please show me how my position is indefensible.

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Wed 06/11/08 02:50 PM
What it truly means to be FREE!

When the time comes that there is no child left hungry

When there is no man without a place to lay there head

When there is nolonger persicution of a man who speaks his mind

When there is only 1 race and that is the Human Race.

When money has no voice

When we let Love rule all our hearts

When we are able without persicution to love unconditionally any one choose!


When these are met than we will truly know what it is to be FREE

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