Hey Lady..... How are you?

I almost want to post to topic but I can't do religious threads well.

I just saw it was you and wanted to say hello.

there is no such thing as "sin" or "original sin", god the immortal, gave humans the mortals, the ability to choose..that was "god-given", its a test, not a sin...we are free to choose the path towards discovery of the unknown (god) or the controlled (man-made). What you would call faith is merely choosing the path towards the unknown and hoping it leads us towards a better understanding of god's will...

Note that I didnt say god's will FOR US..that is a totally selfish, self centered ideal, (like saying god sent his only son to die for OUR sins)..god is not here to serve, god is not here to be served, god is here to be understood and emulated..the devine made manifest within the mortal. Since god is in all of its creations, then how can there be sin, unless god himself is sinful..?

We must now consider unbelief, which is to opposite of faith. We can choose to have faith in God after receiving revelation of the truth about Him, or we can choose unbelief. Which one do you fall into?

I didn't bother reading the rest of your post because I know that you are just proselytizing Christianity. I know this partly because I know you, but also the Capital "H" in him is a dead giveaway that you're a Jesus freak. Nothing wrong with likely Jesus, he was portrayed in the bible as having been completely sinless, born of a virgin mother, and clearly divine. And then he ends up being brutally and seemingly unjustifiably crucified by those nasty Romans. However the truth of the actually story is that it was his plan to be nailed to a cross from even before he was born of a virgin. So you can hardly blame the Romans for what the biblical God had intended to do with his supposed son.

Moreover, you probably don't even realize that if Jesus paid for your sins by being nailed to a cross, that means that you are the reason he had to be crucified. To accept Jesus as your savior is the same ad confessing that you are guilty of making it necessary for him to have to be nailed to a pole in the first place. You are also accepting that the Romans nailed him to a pole for your sake. In other word to accept Jesus as your savior it the same as nailing him to the cross yourself. Had you been there you wouldn't dare life a finger to stop the crucifixion because to do so is the same as shouting out, 'NO! I don't accept having this man nailed to a cross for my sake!"

So you see Debbie, to accept Jesus as your savior, is to accept that he was nailed to the pole for your sake. You are condoning the crucifixion to save your own but. You'd rather see Jesus nailed to a cross than to face the possibility of death.

I've read the story Debbie, and if the story is true, I decline. I cannot in good conscience condone nailing Jesus to a pole to save me from death. I must decline in principle. I'm see myself standing at Mt. Calvary and saying, "No! I don't not condone nailing this man to a cross, even if it means that I will die".

And I must take this stance Debbie because the biblical God is said to be all-knowing. It is claimed that he knows all there is to know for all of time past and future. Therefore, in the biblical God's eyes I'm declining to accept his plan to have his son nailed to a cross for myself long before it ever happened. God knows before the beginning of time what my decision will be, because he is suppose to know everything including the future. So my decision to decline his plan is automatically sent clear back to the beginning of creation. I'm telling God at the very beginning of creation that I disagree with his deranged plan to have his son slaughtered on pole in order to pay for my sins. If he can't figure out how to set things up so that men can pay for their own sins then I refuse to play his game.

That's my answer to the biblical God. And I'm giving him that answer before he even starts out on the project because he knows my thoughts even before I think them, even before I was born, even before he began creation. I'm declining his plan to have men murder his son to make me feel guilty. That's my 'vote' before creation even begins.

And I don't care that it's not a democracy. I don't care that God is a fascist dictator. I'm still voicing my true and honest feelings. After all, surely you don't expect me to hide my true and honest feelings from God? To do so would mean that I would have to continue to hide my true and honest feelings from God for the rest of eternity. I could never reveal to him the truth that I think he plan for creation sucks.

So rather than cowering down to the biblical God and pretending to agree with his methods and plans when in fact I don't, I prefer to be truthful. I choose not to lie to God. I choose to tell God the truth about how I feel. I feel that his plan to have men slaughter his son on pole as an appeasement to himself to pay for my disobedience toward him is a terrible plan. I also don't even see what sense it makes on so many levels not the least of which is that there is not even any option for men to pay for their own sins even if they wanted to.

I must object to the whole plan. I disagree with the biblical God and even though the biblical God is portrayed as the ultimate authority and an unwavering fascist dictator I must still voice my true and honest feelings and face the death penalty that he has dictated must be bestowed upon me. I choose death given his options, because the only other choice is to live an eternal lie pretending that I agree with his demented design when in truth I don't. I do not agree with it, I think it's a terrible plan in so many ways.

I must be truthful with both God and myself, and the truth is that I do not condone or agree with this madness.

Thankfully I don't believe this picture of God is true. I think it's entirely a manmade fabrication of human imagination tainted with demagoguery designed to keep people under the thumb of an authoritarian church using unwarranted guilt, fear, and superstitious notions. Many of which seem utterly and blatantly absurd to me.

I've also found a different picture of God that is far more loving. No demons exist in this world other than the ones that humans create in their own minds. Can a human become demonic? Most certainly! But not because any external demons coerced them. Only because they choose to become demonic.

God herself is pure and perfect, she has nothing but unconditional love for everyone, including those who chose to be demonic in their decisions and actions. She is truly all-forgiving, truly all-merciful, truly all-wise. She has no need to have her only begotten daughter nailed to a pole to save mankind from their inherently evil nature. She didn't give men an inherently evil nature. She gave men an inherently free nature.

All men will have to face their own choices. All men will have to answer for their own deeds. There's no free moral lunch in God's creation. You can't get free tickets to Jesus World just by believing in an ancient doctrine. If you want to be reincarnated into Jesus World you have to act out the part that earns that reincarnation. Otherwise you'll be reincarnated into a lesser world. Maybe one like Earth. Or maybe one that's even worse. It's your choice.

Clinging to an automatic savior isn't how you get to heaven Debbie. If you want to get to heaven you need to rehearse for the part.

......and if you want to believe in your shegod....you have fun with that also...

I am haing fun with it.

I prefer to refer to god as a she because I like to think of god in that way. Also notice the use of the lowercase 'g' in the 'god' because god had no ego. She has no gender either but no one likes to refer to god as an 'it'.

You prefer to think of your God as a He, always using captial letters because He will be offended if you don't recognize his Ego. Your Hegod has amitions to rule the world as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and let's make sure we Capitalize all of those Lables so we don't offend His Ego.

My view of god is one of LOVE.

Period amen.

But then Mother Earth probably isn't really a female planet either. And Mother Nature also has no gender (or she has all gender) depending on how you want to look at it.

My truck isn't female either but I think she runs great.

My car isn't a male but for some reason that's the way I think of him.

Why do I think of my truck as a female and my car as a male.

I have NO IDEA!

It's just the impressions I got from hanging around with them.

I didn't bother reading the rest of your post because I know that you are just proselytizing Christianity.

I come to your proselytizing posts because I know what you are selling.

I come to serve the public interest. I am here for humanity. And for God's sake. Yes, I feel that I'm working for God too in a way. Just a different picture of God than you work for.

The God that spoke to me was not a she.......so if your is abra then so be it.....

The bible was written by men, with concepts that were meant to be digested and acceptable in a male dominated ancient society. Because of this the pronoun He was used frequently.


With all of this said it is my personal belief that when Feral says HE or Abra says She you are both right because it is simply your human tendency to apply known gender concepts to a being beyond our understanding and in essense unimportant. We use labels as a tool to understand things, and ANY god or goddess or higher power without gender is something beyond the understanding of humankind. Rather than define the nature of a higher power these pronouns simply aid us in conveying throughts or our personal views without effecting the higher power itself.

You aren't doing God any service...your a pagan & we all know what God says about pagans. It's all devil worship & a great deception.

If you aren't obeying God you are glorifying the devil. There is NO fence sitting here.

You come here to argue with people of faith. That is your only reason to comment at all. Let's get that one straight.

As for us? The Bible says this...

Blessed are those who HEAR the word of God & KEEP IT!

Therefore take heed that the light in you is not darkness.

If then your whole body is full of light, having no part dark, the whole body will be full of light, as when the bright shining of the lamp gives lights.

For we with the Holy Spirit's help, by faith anticipate & WAIT FOR the blessing & good for which our righteousness & right standing with God to hope.

We bear one another's burdens & troublesome moral faults, & in this way fulfill & observe perfectly the law of Christ, & complete what is lacking in YOUR obedience to it.

God does expect us to be patient not only with each other but unbelievers "until Christ is completely & permanently formed within you."

God says our present "suffering" is nothing compared to the glory that will be revealed. We live in hope unlike those who live in their vain glories. To hang tough... to not grow weary in doing good... in due time we will reap IF we faint not.

We can afford to LIVE in faith that has something to hope for.