Before 1954 women could vote in Afghan Politics and go to school.

Prince Mohammed Daoud in the early 70's is the one who gathered the Mujahideen together and told them to hide weapons all over Afghanistan because he saw the impending Soviet intrusion!

Of course the US helped with more sophisticated weapons like the stingers, but we are talking about helping the Afghans fight against the spread of Communist aggression.

What better cause could there be!

One! Russia

> The second coup, initiated by the military in April 1978 with the help of thousands of Russian military advisors

Please, prove this statement.

In the My University Brezhnev "knew about the coup from papers"

Once again, don try to explain me what "communist puppets started civil war" - i knew it. But don't blame the SU support that barbarians. It became pain in ass for the Soviet. Like Columbia mafia which would take power in Mexico.

Dude, I know they used to restrict the info available to you guys, but do they still today?

Look here,

Foot, Rosemary. “The Changing Pattern of Afghanistan’s Relations with its Neighbors.” Asian Affairs 11.1 (February 1980): 55-63. Military and Government Collection. EBSCO. 14 March 2007 <http://web.ebscohost.com>.

>> Just a question "How many governments were in Afghanistan in 1979?"

>One! Russialaugh laugh laugh

And one "russian goverment" killed the other "russian goverment".

Well. By

I'm going to sleep and be prepared to hard work to earn green-card :)

Saikal, Amin. “Russia and Afghanistan: A Turning Point.” Asian Affairs 20.2 (June 1989): 165-183. Military and Government Collection. EBSCO. 15 March 2007 <http://web.ebscohost.com>.

> Foot, Rosemary. “The Changing Pattern

I used to do not believe Americans professors - they layed too many times about what i have seen with my own eyes.

But you see real documents from the meetings of Soviet goverment stolen by Bukowsky.

OK, Amin was an Afghan leader who Taraki tried to assasinate on behalf of the Soviets to stop the Civil war, but he was informed ahead of time and killed Taraki instead.

Good Night SergeyDolin

warmachine,

You minimize the extent of Reagan's involvement.

Check this out:

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/6/10/ghost_wars_how_reagan_armed_the

Excerpt:

'During Reagan’s 8 years in power, the CIA secretly sent
billions of dollars of military aid to the mujahedeen in
Afghanistan in a US-supported jihad against the Soviet Union.'

And this:

http://terrorism.about.com/od/m/g/Mujahideen.htm

Excerpt:

'These unorganized guerrilla warriors were viewed as outlaws by
their Soviet enemy and as "freedom fighters" by the Reagan
Administration in the U.S., which supported the 'enemy of its
enemy,' the Soviet Union.'

There are other sources I could site, but you get the picture.

Aid to the Afghan mujahadeen may have started with Carter, but it didn't end there.

Ronald Reagan gave much more in aid to the mujahadeen than Carter ever did!

I wasn't trying to minimize Reagans influence and his continuation of the Afghan rebels honey pot war, It was worth my mentioning it because this thread started with blaming Reagan for the deal, with no mention of the fact that these policies were started by Brzezinski and Carter.

Fair enough.

The problem wasn't in helping them beat the Soviets. The problem was that when Russia was beaten we abandoned the Afghan people to the Taliban. We should have helped the Northern Alliance take control then, when the Russian left and their puppet Kabul gov feel.

> The problem was that when Russia was beaten we abandoned the Afghan people to the Taliban

It is not truth at all. Afgan people was not abandoned to the Taliban. They were forced.

From Russian point of view USA continued to destabilize south of Russia and were not satisfied with the strong and stable regime of the Northern Alliance.

Looks like one could apply your same philosophy to Iraq if we abandon them.........The US has constantly had to choose between the lessor of evils.

Not even close cricsters.

We knew what the Taliban was and they were a violent minority. The Mujahideen and the Taliban were, are not the same. The Taliban was a small very extreme element of the Mujahideen who forced their will on the majority of Afghans. The Taliban and the Sadr militia aren't the same.

The Sadr militia is a majority and Malakai's Gov is a puppet gov of Bush and Cheney.
In Afghanistan we abandoned the majority. In Iraq we are forcing Bush and Cheney's wishes and gov on the majority who dont want us or our puppet gov ruling their country like the Soviets did in Afghanistan..

In very clear English : do you support the withdrawal of the American and NATO armed forces from both Iraq and Afghanistan yes or no ?.

Iraq-yes, but unfortunately its not a simple exercise!

Afghanistan-NO, not until we do what we should have been doing all along. Id put another 150,000-200,000 AMERICAN SOLDIERS in, hunt down and kill every Taliban and Al Quiada fighter there. Even going as far as sending search and destroy missions into Pakistan. It would be a very brutal war, but hey, they attacked us. I wouldn't care what NATO did!


I might even go as high as 1 million men!