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Topic: Lineage of the Jews
Redykeulous's photo
Wed 05/21/08 11:02 PM
Is it the bloodline of a Jewish person that comes from the mother or just the religion? Or are they one and the same thing?

lgo's photo
Wed 05/21/08 11:08 PM
I know they are considered a race. But I'm not really sure.

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 05/21/08 11:12 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Wed 05/21/08 11:23 PM
flowerforyou They are a race of people with their own religion,that they can choose to follow or not follow as they see fitflowerforyou

what_is_life's photo
Wed 05/21/08 11:12 PM
race befroe religion i think.

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 05/21/08 11:14 PM
flowerforyou They were the first monotheistsflowerforyou

brooke007's photo
Wed 05/21/08 11:16 PM
i think its mostly race..

just a race that has also been deeply impacted by religion

no choice about color of skin and ancestory..
religion is a choice



MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 05/21/08 11:18 PM
flowerforyou There are religious Jews and non-religious Jewsflowerforyou

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Wed 05/21/08 11:23 PM
Jews are considered a race. I believe that both the bloodline and the religion are passed from the mother.

Concerning the religion, my former mother-in-law converted to Judaism. Once she converted, my ex and his sister were considered Jewish (religion, not race). So when my former sister-in-law married a Jewish man (race and religion), she did not have to "convert" in order to marry him, she was Jewish in the eyes of the religion.

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 05/21/08 11:24 PM
Actually, if you think about it, this religion is the religion of Abraham and his descendents. Before anyone runs off to worship this God they should have a genealogy test done to see if they are related to Abraham. If they aren’t then they’re probably worshiping the wrong God. They need to go find the God of their own ancestors. Clearly this God is more like a Godfather in an Italian mob family.

I’m thinking that I’m probably not related to that clan and that’s why the religion doesn't hold any value for me. I’m probably related to ancient pantheists who have a genuinely loving God and this is why the biblical God seems so screwed up to me. I’m just not used to all the vengeance and bloodshed, it just doesn’t fit in with my persona. I imagine my God is a much more loving and peaceful God. :wink:

Somewhere in the course of history my ancestors got side-tracked into the biblical picture and lost track of their truly loving God. frown

Fortunately, my eyes have been opened and I've found my way back to my original God. I feel much better now. bigsmile

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 05/21/08 11:31 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Wed 05/21/08 11:32 PM

Actually, if you think about it, this religion is the religion of Abraham and his descendents. Before anyone runs off to worship this God they should have a genealogy test done to see if they are related to Abraham. If they aren’t then they’re probably worshiping the wrong God. They need to go find the God of their own ancestors. Clearly this God is more like a Godfather in an Italian mob family.

I’m thinking that I’m probably not related to that clan and that’s why the religion doesn't hold any value for me. I’m probably related to ancient pantheists who have a genuinely loving God and this is why the biblical God seems so screwed up to me. I’m just not used to all the vengeance and bloodshed, it just doesn’t fit in with my persona. I imagine my God is a much more loving and peaceful God. :wink:

Somewhere in the course of history my ancestors got side-tracked into the biblical picture and lost track of their truly loving God. frown

Fortunately, my eyes have been opened and I've found my way back to my original God. I feel much better now. bigsmile

flowerforyou Yesflowerforyou This is what people believed until a Jewish rabbi began teaching and promoting the Jewish monotheism to Non-Jews.flowerforyou It spread like wildfire.flowerforyou We know this rabbi by the name Jesus.flowerforyou

Milesoftheusa's photo
Wed 05/21/08 11:38 PM
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This is a big misconception. The nation of Israel named after the father of the tribe of Judah and his 11 brothers. Yet we have them all combined as the jews. Yahshua was of the tribe of Judah hence being called a Jew. Since his father is Yahweh and his mother must of been a jew for him to be a jew. We must relize that the nation of Israel and descendents all over the world are from thier father Jacob who's name was changed to Israel. James starts out his letter to the 12 tribes.The saints are 12 tribes. But this part of the mother being who the tribe is from really can not be true. I say this because of the tribe of Levi. Who the levetical priesthood come from. Thier were laws for priests on taking wives but the father was the heritage for his son to become a priests as in Aarons sons.This tribe has also kept themselves pure in thier linage marrying only within the 12 tribes. Myself i would have to say that Joseph may of been a Jew. For this was hid from the people of Mary being with child.They even called Yahshua the son of Joseph.Then in the law and Yahshua was asked the question. If a man die childless his brother takes his wife to have a son for his name. Not to be forgotten. I have heard this before about the mother but scriptually i really do not see how this can be true. Blessings...Miles

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 05/21/08 11:45 PM
flowerforyou There are Jewish people on JSH.flowerforyou huh I wonder why they wont clear this up for us?huh

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Thu 05/22/08 06:48 AM
You are Jewish if you are born to a Jewish mother and you are Jewish if you convert.

Jewish isn't a race, a white, black, hispanic, or Asian Jew woman will give birth to Jews.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 05/22/08 12:03 PM
Spider

Where in scripture does it say a bloodline or linage comes from the mother? Thanks...Miles

tribo's photo
Thu 05/22/08 12:16 PM
"Since his father is Yahweh and his mother must of been a jew for him to be a jew"

As far as i know - god is not jewish, or any other sectarian religion. in fact i dont believe he is religious at all.Mary is another example of pre-destination, that fit gods plan as outlined in the bible. she had no or little choice in the matter - therefore negating a true free will in the matter - she was told what was ging to happen and god knew she would accept this as her destiny.

tribo's photo
Thu 05/22/08 12:20 PM

"Since his father is Yahweh and his mother must of been a jew for him to be a jew"

As far as i know - god is not jewish, or any other sectarian religion. in fact i dont believe he is religious at all.Mary is another example of pre-destination, that fit gods plan as outlined in the bible. she had no or little choice in the matter - therefore negating a true free will in the matter - she was told what was ging to happen and god knew she would accept this as her destiny. All religion's should be looked at as exemplary teaching models as to what not to do if you really want gods acceptance:)

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Thu 05/22/08 12:21 PM

Is it the bloodline of a Jewish person that comes from the mother or just the religion? Or are they one and the same thing?


As I have stated before, it is all about the bloodlines. The gene that is carried is only carried by the mother.

Why do you think this gene is so important? That is very good question that I will not go into because I am not sure.

It is more about that gene, and those bloodlines than religion. This I do know.

JB

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Thu 05/22/08 12:24 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 05/22/08 12:26 PM

You are Jewish if you are born to a Jewish mother and you are Jewish if you convert.

Jewish isn't a race, a white, black, hispanic, or Asian Jew woman will give birth to Jews.


This is simply not a true statement IMHO.

Zionist Israel has a program to give free trips to Jewish youths of child baring age. The requirement for the free ten day trip is that they have a Jewish mother. It has no requirement for religion.

The thing that is key is that gene carried by the female.

The program itself is an effort to convince them to move to Israel.

JB

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Thu 05/22/08 12:43 PM

Spider

Where in scripture does it say a bloodline or linage comes from the mother? Thanks...Miles


It's not in the Bible, it is in Rabbinical literature.

Mishnah Kiddushin 3:12

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Thu 05/22/08 12:44 PM


You are Jewish if you are born to a Jewish mother and you are Jewish if you convert.

Jewish isn't a race, a white, black, hispanic, or Asian Jew woman will give birth to Jews.


This is simply not a true statement IMHO.

Zionist Israel has a program to give free trips to Jewish youths of child baring age. The requirement for the free ten day trip is that they have a Jewish mother. It has no requirement for religion.

The thing that is key is that gene carried by the female.

The program itself is an effort to convince them to move to Israel.

JB


The answer I gave is the answer most Jews accept as true. Some Jews believe that you are Jewish if either your mother or father is Jewish.

http://judaism.about.com/od/abcsofjudaism/a/beingjewish.htm

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