sign if you want, don't if you do not desire to.

http://www.petitiononline.com/GT1776/petition.html

10-4 Rob! Thanks for looking out for us!

no problem. Thank you for signing

i am with ya on this one rob

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**when guns and ammo do not go into wal-mart neither will i**

put we must accept all of the constitution not just the parts we want

Sorry bro, but I will not sign this. And I have a very good reason too. The entire contstitution has to be aceptred, not just bits and pieces. By this we have to remember as consumers, that even though we have the right to purchase amunition under the constitution of the United States of America, Wal-Mart is not obigated to sell it. Just as they are not obligated to sell alchohol or tobacco, either.

I agree that it is becoming more and more of a problem from people like the person you mention in the petition, but we can not solve anything by trying to force a corporation to do what it is not required to do. Wal-Mart has the legal right to choose what it will and will not sell, and we can not dictate to them to change their minds.

that is fine, it is your option. This is not about their refusal to sell either or, it is their policy in regards to selling them. They video each individual who purchases said items, and keeps this info logged in with the numbers from each gun. Even if a persons home is broken into, and one of these guns are used in a crime at a later date they will refuse to sell these items to the person they were originally sold to. That is their policy that I have issue with. If they do not want to sell guns and ammunition, by all means that is their right

this petition is not trying to get wal-mart to do anything

it just wants wal-mart to stay the way it is

it is moore who is trying to force wal-mart to change

the constitution remark was for another thread not even realted here

I understand that, but it is a clear message on all parts of the dispute with this store

I put down my e-mail addy, but a fake name.
I will not give up one right for another.
My privacy and security are equally as important to me!

that is ok I put down your name with my email address

They can not legally refuse to sell to one person verses another without a court order to that affect. It is a form of discrimination. IF this is happening somewhere my advice would be to see a lawyer about it, and see what they say about filing suit for discrimination.
Also, I used to work at wal-mart, and we never video-taped anybody who bought ammo. AGain it would be a violation to state you had to be videotaped or they will not sell. There is n law that dictates (to my knowledge) that you have to be videotaped and such.

To my knowledge, the law clearly states that a background check has to be done, and if you pass the GOVERNMENTS requirements, then you can not be denied the purchase of a weapon, or ammo. It is not up to the individual store to question this policy, or to add on to it.

if they pull the stock from the store it is no longer an issue
that is wwhat moore is trying to do (get them to quit offering the stuff)

And if you fail the background check in NC. Just go to the flea-market, they arent required to do a background check. They even sell to illegal immigrants!

All right Fanta you win the ugly stick for today
It's saturday and I don't feel loike getting into biug disputes, lol.

But you are right, of course, and personally somethign should be done about that.

Yes it should!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080414/us_nm/usa_guns_walmart_dc;_ylt=AmwoXRXE2m.cOMpmuhPUp0PZa7gF

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc, the world's largest retailer, unveiled plans on Monday to film its gun sales in the United States and create a computerized log of purchases in a bid to stop guns falling into the wrong hands.


Wal-Mart, which is the largest seller of firearms in the United States, agreed a 10-point code, which also includes rigid inventory controls, with a bipartisan coalition of Mayors Against Illegal Guns led by New York's Michael Bloomberg.

The retailer said it will develop a first-of-its-kind computerized crime gun trace log that will flag purchases by customers who have previously bought guns later recovered in crimes.

"Wal-Mart currently uses a strong point of sale system," said J.P. Suarez, senior vice president and chief compliance officer of Wal-Mart. "This code is a way for us to fine-tune the things we're already doing and further strengthen our standards. We hope other retailers will join us."

The Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership is designed to strengthen the points in the gun purchasing system that criminals have exploited in the past, Wal-Mart and the Mayors Against Illegal Guns said.

According to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, 46 percent of its criminal gun trafficking investigations involved cases in which someone who is not legally allowed to purchase a firearm does so through the use of a proxy, known as a straw buyer

Daniel, I am not trying to be ignorant, but you have no idea how the ffl forms work, and what discretion the seller has. Do a little research

thats just it Rob you are being intentionally ignorant (ignorant meaning uninformed). I just informed you, and you can look it up to verify the fact, that government regulations do not require a photograph in conjunctrion with fire-arm sales.
Wal-mart, and any other store that sells fire-arms and ammo, can not legally dictate that you have to be photographed in order to purchase.

NOW if the state wants to step in and say you have to be photographed, then they can do so. But the retailor themself can not mandate it. The most they can do, is make sure one of their security cameras is focused on the fire-arms counter, and thus have a record of it that way.

Also, how is wal-mart going to have the information that a firearm you (as an example) or I, purchased was used in a crime? Not very likely, unless the governemnt helps provide it.

Also, lets say they do have the info that I bought a firearm, and it was used in a crime. Lets also say that it was determined that the gun was stolen due to no fault of my own. Wal-mart can not legaly refuse to sell to me because I have commited no crime in which I am barred from owning a firearm.

Do you see what I am getting at? taping a purchase, is something the government has the authority to decide on, not the retailer.

refusing to sell to an individual, without proper legal documentation stating he can not purchase, is discrimination.

Ok Daniel, you are being ignorant now. You are wrong.

WASHINGTON - Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest seller of firearms, announced Monday it will toughen rules for gun sales, from storing video of purchases to creating an internal log of which guns they sell that are later used in crimes.

J.P. Suarez, the chief compliance officer for Wal-Mart Stores Inc., appeared with outspoken gun control advocate Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York to announce the changes at a gathering of Bloomberg’s group Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

Changes to come at about 1,100 Wal-Mart stores selling guns include:

Creating a record and alert system to record when a gun sold at Wal-Mart is later used in a crime. If the purchaser of that gun later tries to buy another gun at Wal-Mart, the system would alert the sales clerk of the prior buy and could refuse to make the sale.
Retaining the recorded images of gun sales in case law enforcement wants to view them later as part of an investigation.
Expanding background checks of employees who handle guns and expanding inventory controls.
Suarez said the tougher standards will come with some additional cost to the company.

“The costs are, we think, part of what it takes to be responsible. Everything is not pain-free,” he said, adding that small sellers can implement many of the same rules. He did not say how long it would take to implement all the changes, but noted that software must still be created for an internal log of guns later used in crimes.

Suarez said his company may receive some pressure from gun rights groups, but added, “This is not a signal that we’re getting out of firearms.”

The National Rifle Association denounced the company’s move.

“I view it as a public relations stunt that stigmatizes law-abiding firearms purchasers exercising their freedom under the Constitution,” said NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre. He said that if politicians were serious about reducing gun crime they would worry less about legal sellers and buyers and get tougher criminal sentences for illegal gun dealers.

“I honestly think it’s a corporation trying to curry favor with politicians as opposed to doing anything meaningful about stopping crime,” said LaPierre.

Wal-Mart sells only rifles and shotguns in its U.S. stores, with the exception of Alaska sites, which also sell handguns.

Bloomberg urged other companies to join Wal-Mart in the initiative called the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership.

“We didn’t pressure them, they’re doing it because they think it’s the responsible thing to do,” he said.

Wal-Mart, the world’s largest retailer, had previously tried to establish a store in New York City but failed.

The mayors’ gun summit also unveiled a new lobbying effort to close what they call the “gun show loophole,” which allows sales of firearms without background checks between private individuals at gun shows.

Bloomberg founded the group two years ago with Boston mayor Thomas Menino to reduce the flow of guns from store displays into the hands of criminals.

The group, largely funded by Bloomberg’s personal fortune, announced it was spending more than $100,000 on television ads, starting Wednesday, featuring all three of the current main presidential candidates voicing their opposition to the gun show loophole.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24114145/



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