Topic: the bible and man
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Fri 04/18/08 08:34 AM
i was reading a religion topic and a question came up on my mind. it seems that thier are people that do believe that the bible is acurate word for word, ya know the earth is 6k yrs old,things in genisis, the flood, and the plages of eygypt. others think that maybe some stories of the bible are more symbolic in nature. i myself believe that at first the bible was acurate untile man got a hold of it,and of course put some things in and left other things out. what do u think?

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Fri 04/18/08 08:35 AM
what "first" bible?

No1sLove's photo
Fri 04/18/08 08:37 AM
Sorry? I got lost in translation. laugh

lilith401's photo
Fri 04/18/08 08:37 AM
Edited by lilith401 on Fri 04/18/08 08:38 AM
Who wrote the Bible...

How do you know?

Oh and by the way... I agree with you and have made the same observation about people believing the age of the earth and such. I find is sort of sweet.

MarsNeverSleeps's photo
Fri 04/18/08 08:40 AM
Do some research on the ancient Hebrews' traditions for transcribing copies of the Torah. I think you'll change your mind

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Fri 04/18/08 08:40 AM
huh til "man" got ahold of it?laugh didn't "man" write it?

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Fri 04/18/08 08:42 AM
Seriously, I believe in the message certainly! As far as the specifics...I don't really know. Bottom line is, it was not forged by the hand of God, but scribed by his followers. Whether God made certain the contents of every detail, or only made sure they were getting the message across...the lessons are the same regardless. flowerforyou

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Fri 04/18/08 08:58 AM
If it were truely 'divinely inspired' would not its fidelity have been 'divinely preserved' over years of transcription? Surely a God who can create the world by speaking, monitor each and every one of us, read our private thoughts, and alter the laws of physics at his convenience SURELY could invoke something so simple as providence to retain the Good Book's integrity... Right?

This is a God that can do whatever He wants... He can create a 8-10 thousand year old earth, cause floods, cram animals onto an ark built by a 600 year old man that's not even large enough to contain two of every species of insect, flood the world at a rate that would have been equivalent to filling a glass of water with a fire hose, cover the ENTIRE planet with water and leave not one shred of geographical evidence behind.

He's also the same guy who started man by creating two individuals who, among other things, filled the planet with offspring eventually producing 6 recognized races in the world today, all with their own unique genetic fingerprints and characteristics adapted to their geographic point of origin... But he PROVIDED for that. Budding evolution? Of course not! He also created a lenghty fossil record that clearly indicates the evolution of every species on the planet, but that was only to throw off the unfaithful who question His authority. Of course that's not evolution at work. Evolution is a purely evil work of Satan himself which poisons the minds of our youth in science classes across the country.

Certain fundamentalists sit on a pew every Sunday and absorb that like a sponge, believing it completely. If only I had enough bridges to sell to them all...

This is an age of discovery and understanding. Take the ancient cultural influences with a grain of salt and understand that religion is just that... Ancient culture. No more real than bigfoot or the tooth fairy. However, millions and millions of people have never, to my knowledge, been slaughtered in the name of bigfoot or the tooth fairy...

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Fri 04/18/08 09:17 AM

If it were truely 'divinely inspired' would not its fidelity have been 'divinely preserved' over years of transcription? Surely a God who can create the world by speaking, monitor each and every one of us, read our private thoughts, and alter the laws of physics at his convenience SURELY could invoke something so simple as providence to retain the Good Book's integrity... Right?

This is a God that can do whatever He wants... He can create a 8-10 thousand year old earth, cause floods, cram animals onto an ark built by a 600 year old man that's not even large enough to contain two of every species of insect, flood the world at a rate that would have been equivalent to filling a glass of water with a fire hose, cover the ENTIRE planet with water and leave not one shred of geographical evidence behind.

He's also the same guy who started man by creating two individuals who, among other things, filled the planet with offspring eventually producing 6 recognized races in the world today, all with their own unique genetic fingerprints and characteristics adapted to their geographic point of origin... But he PROVIDED for that. Budding evolution? Of course not! He also created a lenghty fossil record that clearly indicates the evolution of every species on the planet, but that was only to throw off the unfaithful who question His authority. Of course that's not evolution at work. Evolution is a purely evil work of Satan himself which poisons the minds of our youth in science classes across the country.

Certain fundamentalists sit on a pew every Sunday and absorb that like a sponge, believing it completely. If only I had enough bridges to sell to them all...

This is an age of discovery and understanding. Take the ancient cultural influences with a grain of salt and understand that religion is just that... Ancient culture. No more real than bigfoot or the tooth fairy. However, millions and millions of people have never, to my knowledge, been slaughtered in the name of bigfoot or the tooth fairy...
I'm not arguing this point, it's just a thought. Why would he give us free will and then force the hand that writes his word? I don't think God would lie about free will would he?

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Fri 04/18/08 09:19 AM

Why would he give us free will and then force the hand that writes his word? I don't think God would lie about free will would he?


That really is off topic. Not to say it's not a valid question... but....

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Fri 04/18/08 09:22 AM
<---- backs out of the religion chat slowly

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Fri 04/18/08 09:57 AM

I'm not arguing this point, it's just a thought. Why would he give us free will and then force the hand that writes his word? I don't think God would lie about free will would he?


1) God never said that he gave humanity free will, it is inferred from the Bible.
2) Those who wrote the Bible were willing subjects of God, therefore their free will would have been to be used to write the Bible. No violation of free will happened.

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Fri 04/18/08 10:14 AM


I'm not arguing this point, it's just a thought. Why would he give us free will and then force the hand that writes his word? I don't think God would lie about free will would he?


1) God never said that he gave humanity free will, it is inferred from the Bible.
2) Those who wrote the Bible were willing subjects of God, therefore their free will would have been to be used to write the Bible. No violation of free will happened.
Good points.

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Fri 04/18/08 10:15 AM


Why would he give us free will and then force the hand that writes his word? I don't think God would lie about free will would he?


That really is off topic. Not to say it's not a valid question... but....
fair enough