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They do it again!
A company of Iraqi government troops in Sadr City retreated when they came under attack from Shiite militiamen who used the cover of a sandstorm, police said Friday. Civil War????? |
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Don't know, but methinks it is time to seriously review the training and deployment cycles. You don't want an Army with a tradition of bailing on you.
Something is up there, and likely could be identified in the training cycle. Poor leadership, or not understanding what is needed. Don't know. Geezzz...always told my troops (only half-jokingly) that if they retreated without my permission - *I* would shoot them. So you might as well stay and tough it out. |
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Don't know, but methinks it is time to seriously review the training and deployment cycles. You don't want an Army with a tradition of bailing on you. Something is up there, and likely could be identified in the training cycle. Poor leadership, or not understanding what is needed. Don't know. Geezzz...always told my troops (only half-jokingly) that if they retreated without my permission - *I* would shoot them. So you might as well stay and tough it out. 
American soldiers are the best in the world! The infantryman is expected and trained to continue on with the mission despite personal fear, despair, fatigue and injury; through the foe, to the objective, though he be the last man. FOLLOW ME!!!! Sgt. Fanta 11B...... |
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It's not just training. If you hand an AK to an Iraqi, and then then also take one for yourself... is your initial thought to cut the stock off and use it like a silly pistol? I doubt it. For Iraqis it is.
This is one of many deficiencies they experience. While some of it is training, just like most African countries, a great deal of it learned nonsense throughout their lives. You can't fix that in 20 years, let alone 6. An entire generation is going to have to be replaced before the problem will be repaired. |
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It's not just training. If you hand an AK to an Iraqi, and then then also take one for yourself... is your initial thought to cut the stock off and use it like a silly pistol? I doubt it. For Iraqis it is. This is one of many deficiencies they experience. While some of it is training, just like most African countries, a great deal of it learned nonsense throughout their lives. You can't fix that in 20 years, let alone 6. An entire generation is going to have to be replaced before the problem will be repaired. Lets not forget while using this analogy that the Medhi Army are also Iraqi's! |
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Edited by
Muldune
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Fri 04/18/08 08:36 AM
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It's not just training. If you hand an AK to an Iraqi, and then then also take one for yourself... is your initial thought to cut the stock off and use it like a silly pistol? I doubt it. For Iraqis it is. This is one of many deficiencies they experience. While some of it is training, just like most African countries, a great deal of it learned nonsense throughout their lives. You can't fix that in 20 years, let alone 6. An entire generation is going to have to be replaced before the problem will be repaired. Lets not forget while using this analogy that the Medhi Army are also Iraqi's! And I am also referring to the Mehdi army. The reason the Iraqis (The army) "lost" is they were fighting an entrenched enemy with a poor plan. It's always more difficult to assault a target (as opposed to defending one), particularly an urban one. Throw in the Iraqi's inability to use support weapons properly, and it's a nightmare. I would have retreated, as well. edit: for clarification |
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The Medhi Army was the offensive force here!
Did you read the story? |
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I thought you were referring to the ambush in 2004 during the first incursion. Are you saying it happened again, today?
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I thought you were referring to the ambush in 2004 during the first incursion. Are you saying it happened again, today? Yes, follow the link!
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I'm not seeing anything on the main outlets, but I did find an AP article now. Well this is a pretty big, but not surprising setback. Although the US will be there to reclaim it and make excuses for the Iraqi army, no doubt.
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I thought you were referring to the ambush in 2004 during the first incursion. Are you saying it happened again, today? Yes, follow the link!
huh, I'm not seeing a link anywhere. |
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I thought you were referring to the ambush in 2004 during the first incursion. Are you saying it happened again, today? Yes, follow the link!
huh, I'm not seeing a link anywhere. 
Sorry man
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080418/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq |
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Edited by
Muldune
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Fri 04/18/08 08:53 AM
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I thought you were referring to the ambush in 2004 during the first incursion. Are you saying it happened again, today? Yes, follow the link!
huh, I'm not seeing a link anywhere.
Sorry man
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080418/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq Yea... definitely not surprising. I can't help but chuckle, because they must have not had any fixed defensive positions for this to have happened. At least the insurgents use RPGs and PKMs (even it is improperly). I think we need to ditch the organizational structure of the Iraqi army, and just let them go back to running around like idiots firing RPGs off in every direction. Why the hell are we there... |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Fri 04/18/08 09:08 AM
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It is important to Bush that we support his choice for government rule in Iraq.
The other side might take Exxon's lead and keep all the profits for their self-determined use. Then Exxon would have to raise the price on gasoline here even more to maintain their obscene profit margins!
(sarcasm?) IMO, we are supporting the wrong side in a civil war. The Mehdi Army are fighting for self government in their country. The problem is they dont need or want a US military presence in their country for the next 100 yrs. This is in direct conflict with Bush's and the oil companies objectives. They want the oil and a permanent base in the ME! Rule by Proxy! prox·y (prŏksē) n. pl. prox·ies 1. A person authorized to act for another; an agent or substitute. 2. The authority to act for another. 3. The written authorization to act in place of another. |
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I honestly don't think it's about oil. I think it's about 1984esque convenience. Keep your population scared and at war, and you can control them. Iraq was a very easy mark.
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I honestly don't think it's about oil. I think it's about 1984esque convenience. Keep your population scared and at war, and you can control them. Iraq was a very easy mark. Oh no,,,, not you too...... 
Indoctrinated aye???
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Edited by
Starsailor2851
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Sat 04/19/08 02:27 PM
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Out of hundreds of thousands of soldiers a small company of 150 soldiers fleeing is a huge deal to you?
So we are up to a known ~300 that fled battle or the battlefield. That is a sure sign the Iraqi Army is collapsing, ~300 soldiers? lol are you serious? |
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 The Iraqi Army is refusing to fire upon Iraqi civilians. And rightfully so
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Edited by
Starsailor2851
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Sat 04/19/08 02:31 PM
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The Iraqi Army is refusing to fire upon Iraqi civilians. And rightfully so
You consider armed militias, led by an Iranian financed and armed leader, who kill Iraqi police and military, civilians, and place roadside bombs everywhere, as being civilians? |
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Sat 04/19/08 02:33 PM
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The Iraqi Army is refusing to fire upon Iraqi civilians. And rightfully so
You consider armed militias, led by an Iranian financed and armed leader, who kill Iraqi police and military, civilians, and place roadside bombs everywhere, as being civilians?  Thats what we are being told by the politicians behind the war I dont believe a word they say now if its such a problem, let the Iraqis deal with it
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