All the talk about the Wrath of God does mean something, but I don’t think it means that there is a deity who gets pissed off and consciously causes a flood to kill most of the people on the earth.

I don’t think this act was done with emotion or wrath or vengeance.

So much for the wrath of God. It is not vengeance or anger, it is more impersonal and cold blooded than that.

Did I say cold blooded? This descriptions would only be in the event that there is some powerful deity making these decisions.

Picture this:
And God said: “Okay, lets just drown them all and start over. ~Make it so. number one.”
(Quote from Captain Piccard, Star Trec)

Now if the Law of Karma, in the spiritual sense has any merit, these are quantum laws in effect that operate automatically. ~~This not only means that if you jump off a cliff you will go splat at the bottom, it also means that if you kill someone, you will pay for that crime, ~~eventually ~~ in some way~~ if not in this life then in your next life.

The Law of Karma is connected to the idea of reincarnation. Everything is fair. You will learn by your mistakes OR you will continue to repeat them over and over. You will be reincarnated into this world until you learn what you have come here to learn. Learn that, and you escape the wheel of births and deaths, ~~you escape Karma.

Now the Law of Cause and effect is a scientific recognized law. (It could be the Law of Karma as it is seen and observed by science, although much of the quantum effects of that law are not seen.)

Who knows what effect a small act of kindness or cruelty might have on the future of the entire world. ~~This is the domino effect. It is not seen.

So I suggest that the “Wrath of God”, the “Law of Karma” and the “Law of Cause and Effect” are one and the same…. Although understood and defined differently by different belief systems.

This makes sense to me, because the kind and loving concept of God can be kept in tact, and what is seen as the “wrath” of God is not a personality flaw, it is simply a law set in place in this reality, that is necessary and agreed upon by those who chose to incarnate here.

It is an exacting law. Everything is fair. Only you are to blame for what you sow and reap.

You will not get away with anything as long as you do not understand this law, and you are doomed to repeat your mistakes if you do not learn from them. That is the purpose of the law. Once you learn from your mistake, you move on to the next life lesson.

So, I think what people call the wrath of God is the Law of Cause and Effect.

I think that the 'Wrath of God' is to get your attention while trying to teach the values that many exposed to the content overlook.

Cause and effect is what we expect when things that connect reflect I suspect

But is there a God behind the façade who gets pissed when there’s lack of respect?

Jeanniebean knows, or at least she bestows, that the things that she says are correct.

But what if she’s wrong in the tune of her song?

Perhaps something has gone unchecked?

If all information is valid, as I suspect, and if I am to make sense of all information I come across as a whole, then this makes sense to me.

A God concept, both angry and vengeful, yet forgiving and loving does not make sense except in terms that people compare their idea of "God" with their own "Father" who punishes them when they do not obey. (But a father does not kill his disobedient children.)
That just seemed like excessive force.

Law of Karma and reincarnation makes sense as it answers the question, "What about people who seem to get away with rape and/or murder?" They don't. They learn their lesson in another life, ~~if they don't get it learned in this one~~ by being the victim in the next life perhaps.

Scientific Law of cause and effect doesn't seem to cover everything.... could be because it does not include reincarnation in the equation. Nor can it see the invisible workings of quantum energy and thought.

JB

Content of what?

To escape Karma then, according to this description, would it not take a 'perfect' human existence?

What is then, the measure for action? What determines such a measure?

I wonder how these type of questions would settle into this thought process?

No. All it takes it the fulfilling of your purpose for the earth experience ~and each life you spend here has its purpose, decided before the incarnation.


JB

So who - or what is making that decision? (determining the "purpose" of each life). And what is the determining factor for ending the cycle - and who (or what) is setting that parameter?

There are some who get away with it and some who do not... get away with it...

Do the ones who get caught end up being the victim in the next life also, perhaps?

As Eljay and I have both asked... what substantiates learning a lesson?

You make the decision what your purpose is. (Or Your higher self you) (You and your higher self are the same.) You might say, "I want to be a war hero in this life, or you might say, I want to try that again only this time I want to be a man instead of a woman, etc." You decide what you need to learn or want to do.

It is like graduation from high school. Its over when its over. You don't have to pass with strait A's. You just pass, and go on to the next thing.

When you stop making the same mistake. When you decide "I'm not going to do that again." When you become wiser.

It's the same as in life. You learn lessons. You learn that this does not work, or that this does not produce the results I wanted, or that this is not love. In general we learn to love, but that is not the only thing we learn.

JB

JB:

I am having difficulty resolving the murderer issue at hand within your explanation...

There are some who feel it is a good thing... not a mistake...

Would then, after death, this conscious self-contained being then say..."well, since I killed people, I want to learn that lesson... so I want to be killed this time around?"

That makes no sense to me...

There is the higher self that contains the experiences of all the incarnations. Each incarnation is born under different influences which are determined by the date of birth.

The higher self resides outside of time and space and the incarnations live all lives simultaneously in the time space world, but one after another from their point of view... so a future life could be in the past in our earth history.

The lessons learned come to the little selves via the law of karma and the wisdom gained is mostly retained, although the specific memories are lost.

When a lesson is not learned and wisdom is not retained, the incarnation repeats mistakes over and over until it is learned.

A murderer would have to learn to love, and would have to learn that murdering was not an act of love or compassion. How ever many lives it took to learn that is how many lives one might have to live as a victim to learn it.

The lessons must be learned, whatever it takes.

JB

That which you speak of does not resonate as truth within me JB...

It begs for reason, intent, and purpose...

It necessitates a notion of separate...

It relies on two separate time constructs which cannot be made into one with reasoning or purpose...

If anything is outside of a space-time continuum, then a timely constuct does not apply...

An instantaneous existence does not exist in time.

Then you do not understand the nature of time.

The only thing that exists is the present moment.

Time is Dependant on the movement of bodies through a space-time continuum which is constructed by the universal mind.

Time and space and other such laws are unique to each universe.

Each universe is different.

Consciousness only exists NOW. It does not exist in time.

Consciousness manifests time-space environments for the purpose of the incubation of life forms, bodies to inhabit.

You have to think outside the box of time.

Time does not exist except as a coordinate in the location of an event. It is one of the four coordinates (dimensions) of this thought universe which projects the illusion of space and time.

JB

True.

Consciousness exists outside of time, and exists only NOW.

The many lives spent on the earth plane, exist in time, but from the point of view of the Higher self, they all exist at once.

I am not sure how to respond to such a statement as this one...



The nature of something that does not exist?

Are you sure that I am the one who needs a better understanding?

You are so hung up on that.


The notion of separate is an illusion and is necessary in order for each life to be lived separate. It is an illusion.

Time exists as a coordinate or measurement. It does not exist as an entity or thing. Does an inch exist? Does a mile exist? They are measurements.

Time depends upon the movement of bodies through space. The earth around the sun, etc.

The concept of time is one of the things I have given a great deal of thought to. It is one of the most difficult things for the human mind to grasp.

JB