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Mon 01/03/11 11:00 PM

The KKK and the Skinheads claim the bible supports their bigotry.
They"ll both quote you bible text they think supports their view.

They hate the Jews because they believe the Jews killed Jesus.



They can claim what ever they want it doesn't make it fact.Everything they are doing is against what the bible commands then not to do.There is no justification for killing and hating non white people.

Jesus was a Jew and Jesus died because it was the will of his father.Jesus spoke of his death many times before it happened.I think it's pointless to blame the Jews for something that was already his destiny.The Jews may have wanted Jesus dead but it was ultimately the call of the Roman leaders who could issue a death warrant.Pilate issued the execution and Pilate could have set him free.There is only one person responsible for the death of Jesus and that is God who offered him as a sacrifice.


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Mon 01/03/11 10:34 PM
Lets not forget the KKK also despise Catholics as much as the Jews.

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Mon 01/03/11 10:30 PM
You can go to jail in China for homosexuality and may even be killed.It is not accepted or tolerated by anyone.China is a Atheist country.Try blaming religion on that.

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Mon 01/03/11 10:23 PM



Fanta is great.flowerforyou But we are not the match you think, are we Fanta?


No,
we disagree often.

Would the KKK, a christian organization, be considered terrorists?
And what about the Skinheads?



Yes.

KKK, skinheads, militias etc...and they all use Christianity to further their agenda



laugh Yeah I hear skinheads and the KKK saying all the time how much the love worshiping a Jew(Jesus) following commandments written Jews,and obeying a book written by Jews for Jews.


Skinheads and the KKK are Atheist using the bible to make Christians look bad because they hate them and want them destroyed.You can't say you are a Christian and at the same time calling for Israel to be destroyed and have Hitler as your master because he was killing all the Jews.


This is nothing but a common tactic Atheist use.Claim to be bible thumping,God fearing Christians,and then be as offensive and as disgusting as possible to build up hate towards Christianity to bring a end to it.

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Mon 01/03/11 10:02 PM



Ariel Sharon initiated the Sabra-Shatila massacre in which between 1000 and 3000 people (mostly Palestinians) were murdered, and now leads a terrorist campaign against all Palestinians living in the occupied territories of the West Bank.

As commander of the notorious Unit 101, Sharon led attacks on Palestinian villages in which women and children were killed. The massacre in the West Bank village of Qibya, on October 14, 1953, was perhaps the most notorious. His troops blew up 45 houses and 69 Palestinian civilians — about half of them women and children — were killed. — The Electronic Intifada

No one has ever been tried for the massacre, but an official Israeli commission of inquiry found that Israel's defense minister at the time, Ariel Sharon, "bears personal responsibility" as well as "indirect responsibility." It was Sharon, after all, who had ordered the Israel Defense Forces to invade Beirut and surround the camps. ... Like Pinochet and other war criminals, Sharon and his Phalangist underlings should be brought to book; if they can successfully evade justice, then it will give heart to killers everywhere. — Marking a Massacre, The Nation

Sharon's preemptive logic undercuts all form of dialogue and negotiations. Its rule of thumb is violence, and then more violence, whether it manifests itself as a military attack or as an aggressive act of dispossession. So while it may seem that the bloody routine is in some way preordained, it is actually Sharon's preemptive zeal alongside Hamas' and Islamic Jihad's fundamentalism that has clouded the horizon and concealed, as Arendt might have said, the possibility for a better future. — Neve Gordon, Sharon's Preemptive Zeal, Counterpunch, 2003-09-24





Your article failed to mention they were in the middle of a War.As usual these events nearly always go back to the Palestinians wanting Israel destroyed and starting conflicts.This also happened 28 years ago.What this has to do with modern day Israelite terrorist you tell me.




NO WAR!
Israel didn't exist except in the minds of these men.

The land was called Palestine and was ruled by the British.
The UN had mandated a partition for when the British withdrew. They, UN, sent Lord Moyne to Palestine to negotiate a deal.
The UN was going to give 70% of the land to 30% of the population. This was the UN plan to be Israel.
They were going to give 70% of the pop. only 30% of the land. This would be Palestine.
The Israelis wanted it all and assassinated the UN diplomat, Lord Moyne.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre



From 1975 to 1990, groups in competing alliances with neighboring countries fought against each other in the Lebanese Civil War. Infighting and massacres between these groups claimed several thousands of victims; notable massacres in this period included the Syrian-backed Karantina Massacre (January 1976) by the Phalangists against Palestinian refugees, Damour massacre (January 1976) by the PLO against Maronites and the Tel al-Zaatar Massacre (August 1976) by Phalangists against Palestinian refugees. The total death toll in Lebanon for the whole civil war period was around 200,000–300,000 victims.[clarification needed]

The Civil War saw many shifting alliances among the main players; the Lebanese Nationalists, led by the Christian Phalangist party and militia, were allied initially with Syria then with Israel, which provided them with arms and training to fight against the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO); other factions were allied with Syria, Iran, and other states of the region. In addition, Israel had been training, arming, supplying and uniforming the Christian-dominated South Lebanon Army (SLA), led by Saad Haddad, since 1978.

Sabra is the name of a poor neighborhood in the southern outskirts of West Beirut, which is adjacent to the Shatila UNRWA refugee camp set up for Arab refugees in 1949. Over the years the populations of the two areas became ever more mingled, and the loose terminology "Sabra and Shatila camps" has become usual. Their populations had been swelled by Palestinians and Lebanese Shiites from the south fleeing the wars.

The PLO had been attacking Israel from southern Lebanon, and Israel had been bombing PLO positions in southern Lebanon[3]. The attempted assassination of Israeli Ambassador Shlomo Argov in London on June 4, 1982 by Abu Nidal's organization became a casus belli for a full-scale Israeli invasion of Lebanon. On June 6, Israel invaded Lebanon with 60,000 troops in an act condemned by the UN Security Council. Two months later, under a U.S.-sponsored cease-fire agreement signed in late August, the PLO agreed to leave Lebanon under international supervision, and Israel agreed not to advance further into Beirut.

On August 23, 1982, Bachir Gemayel, who was very popular among Maronites, was elected President of Lebanon by the National Assembly. Israel had relied on Gemayel and his forces as a counterbalance to the PLO, and ties between Israel and Maronite groups had grown stronger.[4][5][6]

On September 1, the expulsion of the PLO fighters from Beirut was completed. Two days later, Israel deployed its armed forces around the refugee camps.[7]

The Israeli Premier Menachem Begin met Gemayel in Nahariya and strongly urged him to sign a peace treaty with Israel. According to some sources[8], Begin also wanted the continuing presence of the SLA in southern Lebanon (Haddad supported peaceful relations with Israel) in order to control attacks and violence, and action from Gemayel to move on the PLO fighters which Israel believed remained a hidden threat in Lebanon. However, the Phalangists, who were previously united as reliable Israeli allies, were now split because of developing alliances with Syria, which remained militarily hostile to Israel. As such, Gemayel rejected signing a peace treaty with Israel and did not authorize operations to root out the remaining PLO militants.[9]

On September 14, 1982, Gemayel was assassinated in a massive explosion which demolished his headquarters. Eventually, the culprit, Habib Tanious Shartouni, who confessed to the crime turned out to be a member of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party and an agent of Syrian intelligence. The Palestinian and Muslim leaders denied any connection.[10]

Within hours of the assassination, Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, supported by Begin, decided to occupy West Beirut, informing only then Foreign Minister Yitzhak Shamir and not consulting the Israeli cabinet. The same night Sharon began preparations for entering the Sabra-Shatila refugee camps.[11] Thus on September 15, the Israeli army reoccupied West Beirut. This Israeli action breached its agreement with the United States not to occupy West Beirut;[12] the US had also given written guarantees that it would ensure the protection of the Muslims of West Beirut. Israel's occupation also violated its peace agreements with Muslim forces in Beirut and with Syria.

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Mon 01/03/11 09:59 PM

In the assassination of Lord Moyne. They killed to get the whole nine yards. They weren't to be satisfied with a partition of any kind. There was to be no sharing and they are still that way.
Therefore I say they are a Terrorist State ruled by terrorists.

Just because the US supports their terror and calls it something else, does not mean they aren't terrorists.

90% of the problems in the ME are caused by The Zionist movement and our one-sided support for Israel.



Hmmmmmm sounds like something Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would say.I think if all the Muslims left this world we would have world peace.I think if all the Jews left this world we would have more Islamic terrorism.

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Mon 01/03/11 09:56 PM


Fanta is great.flowerforyou But we are not the match you think, are we Fanta?


No,
we disagree often.

Would the KKK, a christian organization, be considered terrorists?
And what about the Skinheads?




You think the KKK is a Christian organization? laugh Or the skinheads?


I missed the part in the bible where Jews are scum,where we should lynch people,and how we should set crosses on fire.

I would hardly call the KKK or the Skinheads terrorist since I am not aware of any terrorist attacks by them.I would consider them a hate group.

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Mon 01/03/11 09:41 PM

Ariel Sharon initiated the Sabra-Shatila massacre in which between 1000 and 3000 people (mostly Palestinians) were murdered, and now leads a terrorist campaign against all Palestinians living in the occupied territories of the West Bank.

As commander of the notorious Unit 101, Sharon led attacks on Palestinian villages in which women and children were killed. The massacre in the West Bank village of Qibya, on October 14, 1953, was perhaps the most notorious. His troops blew up 45 houses and 69 Palestinian civilians — about half of them women and children — were killed. — The Electronic Intifada

No one has ever been tried for the massacre, but an official Israeli commission of inquiry found that Israel's defense minister at the time, Ariel Sharon, "bears personal responsibility" as well as "indirect responsibility." It was Sharon, after all, who had ordered the Israel Defense Forces to invade Beirut and surround the camps. ... Like Pinochet and other war criminals, Sharon and his Phalangist underlings should be brought to book; if they can successfully evade justice, then it will give heart to killers everywhere. — Marking a Massacre, The Nation

Sharon's preemptive logic undercuts all form of dialogue and negotiations. Its rule of thumb is violence, and then more violence, whether it manifests itself as a military attack or as an aggressive act of dispossession. So while it may seem that the bloody routine is in some way preordained, it is actually Sharon's preemptive zeal alongside Hamas' and Islamic Jihad's fundamentalism that has clouded the horizon and concealed, as Arendt might have said, the possibility for a better future. — Neve Gordon, Sharon's Preemptive Zeal, Counterpunch, 2003-09-24





Your article failed to mention they were in the middle of a War.As usual these events nearly always go back to the Palestinians wanting Israel destroyed and starting conflicts.This also happened 28 years ago.What this has to do with modern day Israelite terrorist you tell me.


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Mon 01/03/11 09:28 PM

Grouping all Muslims together and labeling them terrorist is a true sign of bigotry and ignorance.
I have a few Muslim friends and they are very hard working, honest, and law abiding people. Some of them are Palestinian and some of the most decent people I've ever met. Their reason for coming to America was the same as many immigrants who came here. A better chance at happiness. They are now US Citizens and I'm proud to call them my friends.



In case you haven't noticed Islamic terrorism is a World wide problem and is only getting worse.You have at least 300 million Muslims in the Middle east who live in Sharia law countries with a huge majority(if not all of them)wanting death and destruction to the United states and Israel.


There is over 1.5 billion Muslims out there how many of them are demanding the end to Islamic terrorism?Where is the million man march for peace?I never see Muslims at these War protests unless they are holding signs demanding America and Israel be destroyed.


Face it they don't want the killings to stop they want the killings to continue.That is why the only people we can count on to end this violence and terror is non Islamic countries.

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Mon 01/03/11 09:20 PM



I talk to them about that chit all the time.
Unlike this conversation the ones we have are very insightful, fair minded, and knowledgeable.
Speaking of Israel. Did you know that they are a terrorist State and most of their leaders were once on a terrorist watch list?


so you say...show me an Israeli terrorrist


Menachim Begin,
Yitzhak Shamir,
Ariel Sharon

There is three of them for you.

If you want to know more study.
I'm not your history teacher.



laugh


Man I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.Your a funny guy!

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Mon 01/03/11 09:17 PM








Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine?

(living life does not mean debauchery either)


I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach.

Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church.

Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear.





No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do.


By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily?

How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory?

Hypocrisy?




I have a question for you Dragoness, Would you continue to be close friends with your gay friend if you discovered she was also enjoying a sexual relationship with her biological father? spock


What would be the comparison with a natural relationship like homosexuality and a sickness like incest?


You'd better believe that kind of logic is spreading.
Many horses are waiting to come out of the gate.
So many waiting for endorsement.
At one time homosexuality was as much a sickness
as incest...and now because so many have closed
their eyes to the taboo of it...
it is now labeled "natural".

There are a lot of closet incestuous, beastial,
and other participants who are waiting
for the day when what they enjoy doing
is acceptible as well.
What kind of society are we allowing?
Is this our children's inheritance?



Again it sounds like the religious are the ones who should worry about some kind of retribution because the non religious have nothing to worry about. Natural love between homosexuals causes as much problem in the world as heterosexual love does. It is the same.

Our children are inheriting a healthier view of human relationships.


I think you may actually be convinced of your views.
Children are suffering more from this twisted world view
than anyone,
the adults are just getting their groove on.
drinks any way they can.


Yes, I said it!!!:angel:



I agree and there has been countless studies done showing children are most happy and succeed more when there is a mother and father in a normal relationship.

I find it hard to believe that children would think that anal sex between two men is healthy.I also find it hard to believe that children think it's healthy when they have two fathers or two mothers and they ask where babies come from.

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Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine?

(living life does not mean debauchery either)


I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach.

Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church.

Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear.





No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do.


By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily?

How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory?

Hypocrisy?




I have a question for you Dragoness, Would you continue to be close friends with your gay friend if you discovered she was also enjoying a sexual relationship with her biological father? spock


What would be the comparison with a natural relationship like homosexuality and a sickness like incest?


Who says incest is a sickness?

Double-standards abound in here.

So you're allowed to call incest a "sickness" but forbid anyone else the right to call homosexuality wrong???


Definitely not the bible that is for sure. The bible says man was begotten from incest.

But yea incest is a sickness.

Homosexuality is a born trait and is evident in nature.



LOL!

You obviously haven't read the Bible. It has even been quoted in this thread.

Face it, Bible or not, some people see homosexuality as a sickness.







Totally agree.Homosexuality is a choice made by the person.People can claim they were born homosexual but there isn't any evidence backing that up.Homosexuals have the choice to flip flop on who the have sex with anytime they want.If people really were born that way I think it would be safe to say we would see at the minimum 4 out of every 10 or 5 out of every 10 people being born gay since this was natural.Gays make up a tiny fraction of the people in this world and all of them are homosexual by choice and many of them change their minds and marry the opposite sex later in life.

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I judge as both God and Jesus commanded.I judge to avoid sinful,evil,and destructive people as both God and Jesus commanded.I do not judge before the facts are know I judge after the facts are known.That is why Jesus said "why don't you judge righteously"?That is also why Jesus not only allowed the court process of being found guilty or innocent he spoke about it as a form of justice.


The only people on this planet that do not judge are robots.I am not a robot.


Jesus said "Judge not less ye be judged".


1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?



Cowboy I have gone through this issue with you at least ten times in here and every time I give you bible verses it goes through one ear and out the other.I guess I will have to explain this to you for the 11th time.



Jesus was talking about judging people based on appearance,rumors,slander,assumptions,false witness'sand other traits.He was talking about labeling people into a category before even talking to them.He was not talking about judgment of people after the facts were known.He was talking about judging before the facts were known.


In Jesus's own words...

“Has not Moses given you the law? Yet none of you keeps the law. . . . Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” (John 7:19, 24)


Cowboy are you saying Jesus is a liar?Anyone can see this bible verse for what it is.Don't judge by appearance but by peoples actions.



Jesus told the Pharisees, “You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?” (Matt. 23:23)


Is this not judging?Is Jesus a hypocrite?Is not Jesus judging by their actions?


What about John the baptist.Did he not yell and scream at King herold and his wife and accuse her of adultery?Is that not judging? Matt. 14:3-4)

Yet what did Jesus say about John the baptist?


Jesus said of him, “Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist” (Matt. 11:11)


So not only did Jesus tell us to judge righteously so did his apostles...

In Luke 17:3 He commanded us to rebuke a trespassing brother: “If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.”

In 1 Timothy 5:20 he says, “Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also may be fearful of sinning.”

In Titus 2:15 he tells Titus, “These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.”

In 2 Tim. 4:2 he tells Timothy to “reprove, rebuke, exhort.”

In 1 Thess. 5:14 he says to “admonish the unruly.”

In Rom. 15:14 he tells the Roman church that they are “able to admonish one another.”

In Eph. 5:11 he tells the church, “Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.”

Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? (1 Cor. 6:2-6)


“tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matt. 18:17-18)


It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you. For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord. (1 Cor. 5:1-5)












If we truly did not judge we would not be Christians but Atheists.Because the entire bible talks about who we should and should not associate with.



Cowboy I have gone through this issue with you at least ten times in here and every time I give you bible verses it goes through one ear and out the other.I guess I will have to explain this to you for the 11th time.



Jesus was talking about judging people based on appearance,rumors,slander,assumptions,false witness'sand other traits.He was talking about labeling people into a category before even talking to them.He was not talking about judgment of people after the facts were known.He was talking about judging before the facts were known.


In Jesus's own words...

“Has not Moses given you the law? Yet none of you keeps the law. . . . Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” (John 7:19, 24)


Cowboy are you saying Jesus is a liar?Anyone can see this bible verse for what it is.Don't judge by appearance but by peoples actions.



Jesus told the Pharisees, “You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?” (Matt. 23:23)


Jesus was telling them not to assume and make a personal judgement on the person. He was telling them to take the entire picture into mind and not pick apart things. He in no way was condoning someone to judge another. Making a judgement on someone is totally different then "judging" them. Making a personal judgement of someone is saying you have made an opinion on that someone weather you like them or not. "Judging" someone would be to condemn them to hell. To state they are going there, and this is what Jesus told us not to do.


Matthew 7:20-24
20The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?

21Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.

22Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

23If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.




I do not see what this has to do with what we are talking about except the last verse.


If we were not to judge then we would accept everyone regardless of the way they are acting as not only acceptable but equal in Gods eyes.Are you telling me everyone is equal in Gods eyes regardless of the life they are living?If you do you don't know the bible very well because even Christians who are leading unholy lives are ignored by God and Jesus until they repent.


If the bible tells us to avoid associating with people by their actions(which it does thousands of times)are you going to associate with them anyways because you are blind to their actions because you will not judge?Nothing could be worse for a Christian.


What about these Catholic child molesters?Are you going to be silent on this child molester because you would be judging him regardless of what he is doing?


What about our court system in America?Are all those judges evil in Jesus's eyes because they make a living off of judging?Should our court system be abolished?



If I do know someone is a prostitute and I know she rejects the word of God am I doing wrong by saying I am avoiding her because she is a prostitute?This is not wrong judgment.Even if I do get judged by the same standards should I worry?Am I am prostitute leading a ungodly unholy life?


I don't know what to tell you Cowboy since you are having a hard time telling the differences judging people by their actions and avoiding them and judging people by appearance or photographs and making assumptions.I suggest you do some research on the Internet about judging by Christians and understand what is correct and what is not correct because you are ignoring every bible verse I just posted about righteous judgment.





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I judge as both God and Jesus commanded.I judge to avoid sinful,evil,and destructive people as both God and Jesus commanded.I do not judge before the facts are know I judge after the facts are known.That is why Jesus said "why don't you judge righteously"?That is also why Jesus not only allowed the court process of being found guilty or innocent he spoke about it as a form of justice.


The only people on this planet that do not judge are robots.I am not a robot.


Jesus said "Judge not less ye be judged".


1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?



Cowboy I have gone through this issue with you at least ten times in here and every time I give you bible verses it goes through one ear and out the other.I guess I will have to explain this to you for the 11th time.



Jesus was talking about judging people based on appearance,rumors,slander,assumptions,false witness'sand other traits.He was talking about labeling people into a category before even talking to them.He was not talking about judgment of people after the facts were known.He was talking about judging before the facts were known.


In Jesus's own words...

“Has not Moses given you the law? Yet none of you keeps the law. . . . Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” (John 7:19, 24)


Cowboy are you saying Jesus is a liar?Anyone can see this bible verse for what it is.Don't judge by appearance but by peoples actions.



Jesus told the Pharisees, “You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?” (Matt. 23:23)


Is this not judging?Is Jesus a hypocrite?Is not Jesus judging by their actions?


What about John the baptist.Did he not yell and scream at King herold and his wife and accuse her of adultery?Is that not judging? Matt. 14:3-4)

Yet what did Jesus say about John the baptist?


Jesus said of him, “Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist” (Matt. 11:11)


So not only did Jesus tell us to judge righteously so did his apostles...

In Luke 17:3 He commanded us to rebuke a trespassing brother: “If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.”

In 1 Timothy 5:20 he says, “Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also may be fearful of sinning.”

In Titus 2:15 he tells Titus, “These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.”

In 2 Tim. 4:2 he tells Timothy to “reprove, rebuke, exhort.”

In 1 Thess. 5:14 he says to “admonish the unruly.”

In Rom. 15:14 he tells the Roman church that they are “able to admonish one another.”

In Eph. 5:11 he tells the church, “Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.”

Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? (1 Cor. 6:2-6)


“tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matt. 18:17-18)


It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you. For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord. (1 Cor. 5:1-5)












If we truly did not judge we would not be Christians but Atheists.Because the entire bible talks about who we should and should not associate with.

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Mon 01/03/11 08:10 PM




As to the OP, if you are going to target bad people you have to target all religions and all people as bad people exist in all.

So is there trouble caused by people, yep. Is it specific to one religion nope. Christianity has the same issues as Islam.



no, they don't... at lest Christians are somewhat civilized...



She already tried that lame statement 10 times before.There is no Christian terrorist in this World.But I'm sure that won't stop her for posting the same BS 100 times in here about Mcveigh or someone else who we have already proved had nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with peoples problems with Government.


the last abortion clinic bombing was in the 90's... thats her bread and butter on those statements...



How would that even be justified using the bible?I wouldn't be because the bible commands us not to kill.Someone can say they were justified using the bible but there is no justification.Islam can kill and say they were justified because the Quran says they are.Big difference between the two.

I also find it ironic you have one abortion doctor killed every 10 or 15 years yet you have hundreds if not thousands killed every year for every reason you can imagine including thrill killings.

I have said this before and will say it again.You are more likely to get killed by anything natural or unnatural then by Christian terrorism.

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Mon 01/03/11 07:54 PM
I judge as both God and Jesus commanded.I judge to avoid sinful,evil,and destructive people as both God and Jesus commanded.I do not judge before the facts are know I judge after the facts are known.That is why Jesus said "why don't you judge righteously"?That is also why Jesus not only allowed the court process of being found guilty or innocent he spoke about it as a form of justice.


The only people on this planet that do not judge are robots.I am not a robot.

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Mon 01/03/11 07:38 PM








sounds like like you are saying it is the governments fault for trying to keep the extremists on the other side of the ocean... if your looking for blame, try the 18 muslims that flew 4 planes into buildings... while i agree with you about our personal freedoms being lost, but it is the extremist muslims to blame as well...


Actually that's not true either. When you look at 9-11, the war and everything that has came as a result of that, you must ask yourself a simple question. Who had the most to gain from this? Who stood to benefit from such a big event? You don't have to look very far to find the answer.

You see, there is no way, no how that this war we have been engaged in the last 8 years or so, and all these rights and freedoms they have taken from us along with that, could have been justified without an event to provide them a reason. The government knew they needed a catalyst in order to get the people to accept all of this without really questioning it. 9-11 was that catalyst.

I know you may find that hard to believe, that our government would be capable of something like this, murdering 3000 people or so in one fell swoop, but you have to understand something. The government has always tended to reign by fear. It is a very well known tactic used to bend us to their will. You see it manifest in many different ways, using fear of arrest or fines if you break a law even if it's bogus, fear of sickness if you do this or don't do that such as not getting a vaccine, etc etc. All the while, our rights and freedoms as people reduce ever further.

In this case the fear tactic used is terrorism. It has been repeated over and over ad nauseum basically since 9-11. Why do you think things keep happening every so often, with each subsequent event requiring another right being infringed on and more intrusions into our privacy? Why do you think nothing ever changes in this way?

The simple fact is, if they have us scared we are much more easily manipulated then if we are not. This in short is the reason why little changes. They always have to keep us scared, because the moment we aren't anymore is when we begin to wake up, and they start to lose their power over us.

So no the muslims have nothing to do with this at all, because the entire official story of what happened on 9-11 was a flat out lie. This whole war on terror is a smokescreen, the true war is and always has been the war on us.




so those poor, misunderstood muslims...no wonder they want to eradicate all non muslim life, because of our government....

sorry, but i don't think so...


I understand it is hard to accept, and difficult to see when you have been told for so long that the truth is something different, but the truth is always much stranger than fiction. Don't take my word for it if you don't believe it, research for yourself.

As for the Muslims, they have basically been used as scapegoats in this. Obviously if the government wanted to again justify this war and all that has resulted from it, they needed an enemy, which is where the Muslims come in as the terrorizers. Can't really have a good reason for all this without having someone for us to fear.





I have heard my fair share of dumb statements in this website but that one takes the cake.

The Muslims are being used as scapegoats??? laugh noway Wow!

I am not sure what you are researching but what ever it is has to be in jokes section of the New york times.If you think the truth is that Islam,Muslims,and terrorism has nothing to do with 9/11 or this War you need a education.


Yes scapegoats I said it, and I stand by it. As for me needing an education, I think actually it's you that needs one. You need to look beyond the lies the media are selling us. Then and only then can you fully see the truth of who and what is doing all the terrorizing.




So are you seriously going to tell me all that countries I listed that were nearly all in the top 20 due to Islamic terrorism is due to something else?

Buddhist terrorism,Christian terrorism,Hinduism terrorism?


If you are saying the Muslims are the scapegoats then I would love to hear who the real people are that are committing the terrorism around the world.

What is the media hiding?


I'm not really arguing the other things going on right now. All I am simply saying is, we have not been told the truth of what really happened on 9-11, and who was behind it.



That's exactly what I knew you would say.The truth is out there,get a education,do the research,blah blah blah blah.Yet when I ask you for anything to back up what you are saying all I hear is "I can't argue it right now".


You can't argue anything because you don't have anything to argue about.All anyone has to do is look up the last 50 years of Islamic terrorism to see why 9/11 happened.You know you can't back up your claims because if you did you should have a least a half a dozen websites in your favorites folder which wouldn't take you more than a few minutes to post.


I can back up everything from previous terrorist attacks to the United states before 9/11 to Bin laden giving speeches why he attacked the United states.All of it is FACT not conspiracy theory BS well documented by every reputable news agency on the planet.

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Mon 01/03/11 07:22 PM






sounds like like you are saying it is the governments fault for trying to keep the extremists on the other side of the ocean... if your looking for blame, try the 18 muslims that flew 4 planes into buildings... while i agree with you about our personal freedoms being lost, but it is the extremist muslims to blame as well...


Actually that's not true either. When you look at 9-11, the war and everything that has came as a result of that, you must ask yourself a simple question. Who had the most to gain from this? Who stood to benefit from such a big event? You don't have to look very far to find the answer.

You see, there is no way, no how that this war we have been engaged in the last 8 years or so, and all these rights and freedoms they have taken from us along with that, could have been justified without an event to provide them a reason. The government knew they needed a catalyst in order to get the people to accept all of this without really questioning it. 9-11 was that catalyst.

I know you may find that hard to believe, that our government would be capable of something like this, murdering 3000 people or so in one fell swoop, but you have to understand something. The government has always tended to reign by fear. It is a very well known tactic used to bend us to their will. You see it manifest in many different ways, using fear of arrest or fines if you break a law even if it's bogus, fear of sickness if you do this or don't do that such as not getting a vaccine, etc etc. All the while, our rights and freedoms as people reduce ever further.

In this case the fear tactic used is terrorism. It has been repeated over and over ad nauseum basically since 9-11. Why do you think things keep happening every so often, with each subsequent event requiring another right being infringed on and more intrusions into our privacy? Why do you think nothing ever changes in this way?

The simple fact is, if they have us scared we are much more easily manipulated then if we are not. This in short is the reason why little changes. They always have to keep us scared, because the moment we aren't anymore is when we begin to wake up, and they start to lose their power over us.

So no the muslims have nothing to do with this at all, because the entire official story of what happened on 9-11 was a flat out lie. This whole war on terror is a smokescreen, the true war is and always has been the war on us.




so those poor, misunderstood muslims...no wonder they want to eradicate all non muslim life, because of our government....

sorry, but i don't think so...


I understand it is hard to accept, and difficult to see when you have been told for so long that the truth is something different, but the truth is always much stranger than fiction. Don't take my word for it if you don't believe it, research for yourself.

As for the Muslims, they have basically been used as scapegoats in this. Obviously if the government wanted to again justify this war and all that has resulted from it, they needed an enemy, which is where the Muslims come in as the terrorizers. Can't really have a good reason for all this without having someone for us to fear.





I have heard my fair share of dumb statements in this website but that one takes the cake.

The Muslims are being used as scapegoats??? laugh noway Wow!

I am not sure what you are researching but what ever it is has to be in jokes section of the New york times.If you think the truth is that Islam,Muslims,and terrorism has nothing to do with 9/11 or this War you need a education.


Yes scapegoats I said it, and I stand by it. As for me needing an education, I think actually it's you that needs one. You need to look beyond the lies the media are selling us. Then and only then can you fully see the truth of who and what is doing all the terrorizing.




So are you seriously going to tell me all that countries I listed that were nearly all in the top 20 due to Islamic terrorism is due to something else?

Buddhist terrorism,Christian terrorism,Hinduism terrorism?


If you are saying the Muslims are the scapegoats then I would love to hear who the real people are that are committing the terrorism around the world.

What is the media hiding?

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Mon 01/03/11 06:57 PM




sounds like like you are saying it is the governments fault for trying to keep the extremists on the other side of the ocean... if your looking for blame, try the 18 muslims that flew 4 planes into buildings... while i agree with you about our personal freedoms being lost, but it is the extremist muslims to blame as well...


Actually that's not true either. When you look at 9-11, the war and everything that has came as a result of that, you must ask yourself a simple question. Who had the most to gain from this? Who stood to benefit from such a big event? You don't have to look very far to find the answer.

You see, there is no way, no how that this war we have been engaged in the last 8 years or so, and all these rights and freedoms they have taken from us along with that, could have been justified without an event to provide them a reason. The government knew they needed a catalyst in order to get the people to accept all of this without really questioning it. 9-11 was that catalyst.

I know you may find that hard to believe, that our government would be capable of something like this, murdering 3000 people or so in one fell swoop, but you have to understand something. The government has always tended to reign by fear. It is a very well known tactic used to bend us to their will. You see it manifest in many different ways, using fear of arrest or fines if you break a law even if it's bogus, fear of sickness if you do this or don't do that such as not getting a vaccine, etc etc. All the while, our rights and freedoms as people reduce ever further.

In this case the fear tactic used is terrorism. It has been repeated over and over ad nauseum basically since 9-11. Why do you think things keep happening every so often, with each subsequent event requiring another right being infringed on and more intrusions into our privacy? Why do you think nothing ever changes in this way?

The simple fact is, if they have us scared we are much more easily manipulated then if we are not. This in short is the reason why little changes. They always have to keep us scared, because the moment we aren't anymore is when we begin to wake up, and they start to lose their power over us.

So no the muslims have nothing to do with this at all, because the entire official story of what happened on 9-11 was a flat out lie. This whole war on terror is a smokescreen, the true war is and always has been the war on us.




so those poor, misunderstood muslims...no wonder they want to eradicate all non muslim life, because of our government....

sorry, but i don't think so...


I understand it is hard to accept, and difficult to see when you have been told for so long that the truth is something different, but the truth is always much stranger than fiction. Don't take my word for it if you don't believe it, research for yourself.

As for the Muslims, they have basically been used as scapegoats in this. Obviously if the government wanted to again justify this war and all that has resulted from it, they needed an enemy, which is where the Muslims come in as the terrorizers. Can't really have a good reason for all this without having someone for us to fear.





I have heard my fair share of dumb statements in this website but that one takes the cake.

The Muslims are being used as scapegoats??? laugh noway Wow!

I am not sure what you are researching but what ever it is has to be in jokes section of the New york times.If you think the truth is that Islam,Muslims,and terrorism has nothing to do with 9/11 or this War you need a education.We can start with these FACTS regarding terrorism committing by Muslims which not surprisingly is nearly responsible for the majority of the terrorism around the world.


http://www.travelersdigest.com/terrorism_hot_spots.htm



Countries Most Afflicted by Terrorism

This is a compiling of the countries most affected by acts of terrorism, the information is compiled from various sources & refers to data from actual incidents in a one year sample time frame.

20. Italy
While not having had the extravagant cases of terrorism as some of the other countries mentioned, Italy is still very much at the forefront of a growing problem. A large discontented population & controversial immigration policies have led to the country's inclusion in this ranking.

19. Spain
The Madrid bombings highlighted what has been a growing problem for years, unchecked immigration from Northern Africa into what's becoming a polarized society. However overlooking the threat from Islamic extremism, Spain still has problems a plenty with the ever present Basque separatist movement known as ETA.

18. United States
The United States is home to what are a good portion of the world's high profile terrorist targets, & it's every extremist's dream to strike at the heart of America. However doing so has been less easy than to some of the nation's counterparts on this list.

17. Sri Lanka
The island has been the home of a civil war for the last 25 years or so, however a cease fire agreement brokered in 2001 provided hope that the violence would one day end. Things did not turn out so well, & renewed hostilities between the Tamil Tigers & the Sri Lankan government forces have claimed the lives of over 4,000 people since the agreement fell apart in 2005.

16. Indonesia
Home to the world's largest Muslim population & a government that facilitates the American "War on Terrorism" is a melting pot of disaster as highlighted by the increasing violence.

15. Saudi Arabia
The centre of the Islamic world, Saudi Arabia is also at the height of the global terrorism threat. An unpopular monarchy & an alienated population make oil derricks seem like much more appealing targets than they otherwise would have been.

14. United Kingdom
In what one could say is the first world country most afflicted by terrorism, the United Kingdom comes in at number 14 on the list. The difference between the UK & other first world countries such as the United States is that its terrorism threat is largely home grown, & boasting a large disenfranchised immigrant population, while having a controversial foreign policy is a sure fire way to get a high placement on the terrorism index. What may be most surprising is that its ranked above Saudi Arabia, that's surely how you know a country is doing something wrong.

13. Colombia
The drug cartels, rampant criminal gangs, & leftist rebels are the reason Colombia is featured here. Kidnappings, assaults, shootings, & bombings are all common features on their domestic landscape.

12. Philippines
The long going Islamic separatist war in the south shows no sign of slowing, & tourists remain a prime target in their war for political freedom.

11. Algeria
This country has been plagued by civil war since the early 90's when the military backed government scrapped a parliamentary election that an Islamist political party was set to dominate. Since then it's been all bombs & bullets with the two sides waging a bloody campaign against the other leaving over 200,000 people dead. Things have recently taken a turn for the worse when the long thought declining insurgency re-invented itself which among other things included changing it's name to Al Qaeda in Africa & enlarging focus to waging the global jihad against Western culture & its believed encroachment on puritanical Islamic society.

10. Turkey
Turkey is suffering from a growing anti-Western sentiment, & it's starting to affect their tourism trade, with high profile targets having been previously attacked.

9. Bangladesh
There are two ways to look at Bangladesh's placement on this list, it's either the 9th most highly terrorized country, or it's one of the safer places on the Indian sub-continent.

8. Thailand
A military coup, a new government, a deposed prime minister, an Islamic insurgency, & an increase in military spending are all things that do not bode well for Thailand.

7. Afghanistan
While the country hasn't truly been terrorism free for the majority of its modern history, recent times have been even more unkind. Following a short grace period after the American occupation, Afghans are now facing a resurgent Taliban uprising that threatens to envelop their struggling government in an ever more vicious cycle of violence.

6. Pakistan
Pakistan seems to be the epicentre of Al Qaeda, with the majority of its known & captured hierarchy having been caught inside the nation. That & a very unpopular government regime make Pakistan's interior targets quite appealing to the terrorist set.

5. Russia
The ongoing conflict in Chechnya has made Russia a prime target for terrorism since the resurgent outbreak of violence began in 1999. With no solution to the conflict in sight, Russia looks to remain on this list for the foreseeable future.

4. Nepal
Here unlike the majority of the other nations mentioned on this list, the terrorism stems from a completely domestic conflict wholly uninvolved from the global Muslim extremist movement. In Nepal it's the government's conflict with the Marxist rebels that provides fuel to the fire. The future does however look bright with a series of cease fires being agreed to as we start 2007.

3. India
The country's predominantly Hindu population & its 300 million strong Muslim minority continue to openly spar in acts of aggression spurred largely by the country's feud with rival Pakistan over the disputed province of Kashmir.

2. Israel/Palestine
While the "Second Intifada" has mostly died down, Israelis still have to worry about the Northern threat of Hezbollah, & in the territories the burgeoning conflict between Hamas & Fatah continue to provide acts of terrorism which place the combined two localities at near the height of this list.

1. Iraq
No big surprise here, Iraq has & continues to be the world's hotspot for terrorism in the four years since the American invasion & subsequent occupation of the country. And that is just one way to not build a nation.



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Mon 01/03/11 02:24 AM

MAN do you think that there is some conspiracy among atheists to get religion drummed out?? we dont hate you like you do us...we live our lives to better the world for ourselves.. our families...our country and yes even you. judging is not our thing..its YOURS. So what if we celebrate xmas just for fun...we still put change in the pot for the less fortunate.my kids are very well behaved and well ajusted.one is a teacher and is very much a christian. we love her anywayhappy The point is..if we can tolerate you being a believer then why cant you tolerate us nonbelievers.relax no one is trying to take over




I don't hate anyone.Hate comes from Satan and I don't embrace Satan I rebuke him.That still doesn't change the facts about how I feel about Atheist.You want me to sit here and lie through my teeth and say everything I have experienced with Atheists is delusional.


Atheist don't judge???Are you kidding me?You have probably several hundred anti-Christian/anti-religion websites run by Atheist calling Christians every name in the book,making fun of their bible,saying what they are doing is wrong and stupid,to people they have never even met.You think Atheists just have this live and let live and tolerate Christians? laugh What a joke!How many anti-Atheist websites are run by Christian groups slandering,making fun of,and demanding they cease to exist?

Atheist sue every chance they get.They sue over everything from wearing a cross to work to praying in a college.Atheist in other countries ban religion and in many countries will get you killed if they find you practicing it.Atheist give Christians more problems and cause more trouble then anyone else on Earth.


You think this place is any different?

How many negative posts in here are started by Muslims towards Christians?None
How many negative posts in here are started by Hindus towards Christians?None
How many negative posts in here are started by Buddhist towards Christians?None
How many negative posts in here are started by any other religions towards Christians?None

How many negative posts in here are started by Atheists towards Christians?Nearly all of them.


Christians don't tolerate Atheist?Maybe you can post some news articles to back that statement up.I can't seem to remember in my life ever reading stories of Christians suing Atheist for what they believe.I can't remember ever reading a bunch of Christians demanding we pass laws against Atheism,demanding that Atheism is not taught in public schools,and demanding that Atheist can not talk about Atheism in Federal buildings.All of these things have been slapped on Christians and many more.


You Atheist complain about nothing.Christians are the most prosecuted people in the World right now and it is only getting worse.We can't even pray in a public place with out getting a lawsuit slapped on us.In third World countries Christians are massacred on a daily basis.When was the last time a bunch of Atheist were massacred because they didn't believe in anything?


So excuse me for defending my religion when I read about daily massacres and then come to this place to read nauseating,hateful,posts towards Christians,get called every name in the book,and then have some Atheist say I need to be tolerant.







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