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For Whom Does God Desire Salvation? The Good News is that God would have ALL men to be saved !!! God does not desire anyone to be lost. NO ONE! God is "...patient, not wishing for any to perish." (II Peter 3:9). God is "compassionate" (Matthew 9:36; Psalm 86:15) God is "...just" (Romans 3:24-26). God is "Sorrowful" for those who are lost (Ezekiel 18:23; 31,32; cf. Matthew 23:37). God made Salvation available to ALL. Salvation is available for ALL men, not just a select few. Jesus died for EVERYONE (Hebrews 2:9; John 3:16). God wants ALL to come to KNOW THE TRUTH (I Timothy 2:4). The invitation is open to ALL, 24 hours a day !!! (Matthew 11:28-30 COME UNTO ME, ALL ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you REST. Take my yoke upon you, and LEARN OF ME ; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find REST UNTO YOUR SOULS . For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Revelation 22:17) And the Spirit and the bride say, COME. And let him that HEARETH say, COME. And let him that is THIRSTY, COME. And WHOSOEVER WILL, let him TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREEELY. God has already issued His call, and it has gone out UNTO THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD . Any of us can choose to answer it, or not. How God Draws People Unto Himself The context of Jesus' statement explains how God DRAWS men and women to Himself. There is nothing mystical about it. The following verse in the context (John 6:45) reveals how God DRAWS MEN UNTO HIMSELF. "It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall ALL be TAUGHT of God.' Everyone who has HEARD and LEARNED from the Father COMES TO ME ." Note the words "taught" and "every man" (all drawn the same way; by being TAUGHT) and "HEAR" and "LEARN" and "COME". These are not mystical words. They are common, everyday words which are used to describe how it is that people are DRAWN to Christ. What is it that is taught and heard and learned? The MEANS or METHOD by which God "CALLS'' or "DRAWS'' ALLLL men IS THE GOSPEL !!! "And it was for this He CALLED (DREW) you through our GOSPEL, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ." (II Thessalonians 2:14). There is no special, mystical anointing of the Holy Spirit, but rather, the Holy Spirit CALLS OR DRAWS men THROUGH THE GOSPEL; and it is THE GOSPEL that is the POWER (Romans 1:16)!!! ( NOTICE....NOT MAN'S "VERSION" OF THE GOSPEL ,BUT THE GOSPEL!!!) God DRAWS PEOPLE UNTO HIMSELF through the TEACHING of the GOSPEL !!!! The HEARING OF THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL is GOD'S POWER, HIS DRAWING POWER , TO SAVE (I Corinthians 1:18-21). FAITH COMES BY HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD. Therefore, ALLLL people, when they HEAR the GOSPEL, at any moment, have the ABILITY to RESPOND to God's gospel call ,because God DRAWS people THRU the HEARING of GOD'S WORD being preached . They also have the ability to reject it (Acts 13:45-48). Sinners are saved by God's GRACE when they respond in faithful obedience to the gospel that DRAWS them to GOD (Matthew 7:21). God is always ready for men to REPENT and HEED THE CALL OF GOD'S DRAWING(Acts 17:30). It is THOSE WHO WILL DO SO that God has predestined for salvation (1 Thessalonians 5:9). This is an important concept to recognize. NOW....lets NOT misunderstand what is being said here...... God has NOT predestined individuals to be saved or lost, BUT RATHER, God has predestined the METHOD BY WHICH WE ARE SAVED . Point being, God predestines NO one's salvation !!! God just KNOWS who will accept Him, but God NEVER predestines man's salvation !! God will NEVER go against man's free will to CHOOSE!!! How To Be Drawn To God's Son And Be Saved There are not many ways to be DRAWN to God. Again ,The MAIN way God DRAWS is THRU THE HEARING OF GOD'S WORD. And JESUS is the ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER. (And NOT thru ANOTHER FALSE ChrIst either, but only thru JESUS CHRIST OF THE BIBLE !!! ) Those who attempt to enter another way are counted as thieves and robbers and will be unsuccessful (John 10:1). How does one ANSWER God's CALL OR DRAWING? This is important for you to know because God is CALLING (DRAWING) you. Have you answered? If not, will you? When God is DRAWING you , Will you CALL upon Him? For WHOSOEVER will CALL upon the Name of the Lord will be SAVED." (Acts 2:21). Whosoever means You. Amen. 
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god didn`t want purity, else, he would not have loosed the devil on us, amen. Sure God wanted purity. Reason the world is the way it is, is because Adam/Eve screwed up big time in the beginning. And God plans to not do this same exact mistake over again. Adam/Eve was handed everything on a silver platter moreorless, they were spoiled so to speak. They didn't know what they had, they thought they could have more when Satan told them they could have more. So they obeyed Satan in an attempts to know everything and be as God is. The only one's to blame there are them that ate of the fruit. You can not blame Satan, he only can tempt someone, he does not and can not force someone to do something or not do something. god made adam and eve. let the devil reside in eden. tell me this,,,how could their new/naive brains compete with Lucifers? he was how aged by this time? who can account. no one. one could say, god did this for pure amusement. and later, sorry for it, had to sacrifice his son for it. Who's competing? It's not about who's better or greater, us or Satan. It's about obedience and obeying our Father. No competition with Satan. And God the father sacrificed nothing. Jesus sacrificed himself, he died so we would not have to. no, no, brother, i am not TALKING ABOUT COMPETITION NOW. i say this, adam and eve, they were born innocent, right? and I say this, god let satan chill in the garden of eden to tempt them,,,which is fkkkn unfair fwor the reasons i stated (he`s how many aeons old in comparison???) No it is not unfair. We know not the exact time span between when they were first made to when they were tempted to eat of the tree. God forwarned them not to eat of the tree, so how exactly is it unfair? REGARDLESS if they comprehended what a punishment was or not, the punishment matters not. They were told not to eat of the tree, the why's, howcome's, what will happen if they do's, don't matter. so, do you believe that it is possible that adam and eve were created at the same time Lucifer was? Lucifer was created long while before Adam and Eve. Lucifer was God's arch angel. He was the most beautiful, strongest angel God had. So great, he grew an ego and thought himself greater then God. Thus the reason he was booted from Heaven. well, no wonder he was able to trick the simple Eve,,,,and Adam. maybe lucifer was so wonderfully created that he seemed like god himself. perhaps god reproduced himself evilly. or else, why would he not have killed off lucifer long ago???????????????????? why would he not? for the fun of watching humankind grow crueler and crueler? nice plan, eh?? ? |
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Edited by
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god didn`t want purity, else, he would not have loosed the devil on us, amen. Sure God wanted purity. Reason the world is the way it is, is because Adam/Eve screwed up big time in the beginning. And God plans to not do this same exact mistake over again. Adam/Eve was handed everything on a silver platter moreorless, they were spoiled so to speak. They didn't know what they had, they thought they could have more when Satan told them they could have more. So they obeyed Satan in an attempts to know everything and be as God is. The only one's to blame there are them that ate of the fruit. You can not blame Satan, he only can tempt someone, he does not and can not force someone to do something or not do something. god made adam and eve. let the devil reside in eden. tell me this,,,how could their new/naive brains compete with Lucifers? he was how aged by this time? who can account. no one. one could say, god did this for pure amusement. and later, sorry for it, had to sacrifice his son for it. Who's competing? It's not about who's better or greater, us or Satan. It's about obedience and obeying our Father. No competition with Satan. And God the father sacrificed nothing. Jesus sacrificed himself, he died so we would not have to. no, no, brother, i am not TALKING ABOUT COMPETITION NOW. i say this, adam and eve, they were born innocent, right? and I say this, god let satan chill in the garden of eden to tempt them,,,which is fkkkn unfair fwor the reasons i stated (he`s how many aeons old in comparison???) No it is not unfair. We know not the exact time span between when they were first made to when they were tempted to eat of the tree. God forwarned them not to eat of the tree, so how exactly is it unfair? REGARDLESS if they comprehended what a punishment was or not, the punishment matters not. They were told not to eat of the tree, the why's, howcome's, what will happen if they do's, don't matter. so, do you believe that it is possible that adam and eve were created at the same time Lucifer was? Lucifer was created long while before Adam and Eve. Lucifer was God's arch angel. He was the most beautiful, strongest angel God had. So great, he grew an ego and thought himself greater then God. Thus the reason he was booted from Heaven. well, no wonder he was able to trick the simple Eve,,,,and Adam. maybe lucifer was so wonderfully created that he seemed like god himself. perhaps god reproduced himself evilly. or else, why would he not have killed off lucifer long ago???????????????????? why would he not? for the fun of watching humankind grow crueler and crueler? nice plan, eh?? |
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because he is omnipotent and saw this outcome. ???? Oh, i`m sorry,,,, god does NOT know the future?????????? |
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Edited by
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they are one, in the beginning. so shall they be in the end. makes sense
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Edited by
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Sat 03/31/12 12:47 AM
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god didn`t want purity, else, he would not have loosed the devil on us, amen. Sure God wanted purity. Reason the world is the way it is, is because Adam/Eve screwed up big time in the beginning. And God plans to not do this same exact mistake over again. Adam/Eve was handed everything on a silver platter moreorless, they were spoiled so to speak. They didn't know what they had, they thought they could have more when Satan told them they could have more. So they obeyed Satan in an attempts to know everything and be as God is. The only one's to blame there are them that ate of the fruit. You can not blame Satan, he only can tempt someone, he does not and can not force someone to do something or not do something. god made adam and eve. let the devil reside in eden. tell me this,,,how could their new/naive brains compete with Lucifers? he was how aged by this time? who can account. no one. one could say, god did this for pure amusement. and later, sorry for it, had to sacrifice his son for it. Who's competing? It's not about who's better or greater, us or Satan. It's about obedience and obeying our Father. No competition with Satan. And God the father sacrificed nothing. Jesus sacrificed himself, he died so we would not have to. no, no, brother, i am not TALKING ABOUT COMPETITION NOW. i say this, adam and eve, they were born innocent, right? and I say this, god let satan chill in the garden of eden to tempt them,,,which is fkkkn unfair fwor the reasons i stated (he`s how many aeons old in comparison???) No it is not unfair. We know not the exact time span between when they were first made to when they were tempted to eat of the tree. God forwarned them not to eat of the tree, so how exactly is it unfair? REGARDLESS if they comprehended what a punishment was or not, the punishment matters not. They were told not to eat of the tree, the why's, howcome's, what will happen if they do's, don't matter. so, do you believe that it is possible that adam and eve were created at the same time Lucifer was? Lucifer was created long while before Adam and Eve. Lucifer was God's arch angel. He was the most beautiful, strongest angel God had. So great, he grew an ego and thought himself greater then God. Thus the reason he was booted from Heaven. well, no wonder he was able to trick the simple Eve,,,,and Adam. maybe lucifer was so wonderfully created that he seemed like god himself. perhaps god reproduced himself evilly. or else, why would he not have killed off satan? hmmmmmm |
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god didn`t want purity, else, he would not have loosed the devil on us, amen. Sure God wanted purity. Reason the world is the way it is, is because Adam/Eve screwed up big time in the beginning. And God plans to not do this same exact mistake over again. Adam/Eve was handed everything on a silver platter moreorless, they were spoiled so to speak. They didn't know what they had, they thought they could have more when Satan told them they could have more. So they obeyed Satan in an attempts to know everything and be as God is. The only one's to blame there are them that ate of the fruit. You can not blame Satan, he only can tempt someone, he does not and can not force someone to do something or not do something. god made adam and eve. let the devil reside in eden. tell me this,,,how could their new/naive brains compete with Lucifers? he was how aged by this time? who can account. no one. one could say, god did this for pure amusement. and later, sorry for it, had to sacrifice his son for it. Who's competing? It's not about who's better or greater, us or Satan. It's about obedience and obeying our Father. No competition with Satan. And God the father sacrificed nothing. Jesus sacrificed himself, he died so we would not have to. no, no, brother, i am not TALKING ABOUT COMPETITION NOW. i say this, adam and eve, they were born innocent, right? and I say this, god let satan chill in the garden of eden to tempt them,,,which is fkkkn unfair fwor the reasons i stated (he`s how many aeons old in comparison???) No it is not unfair. We know not the exact time span between when they were first made to when they were tempted to eat of the tree. God forwarned them not to eat of the tree, so how exactly is it unfair? REGARDLESS if they comprehended what a punishment was or not, the punishment matters not. They were told not to eat of the tree, the why's, howcome's, what will happen if they do's, don't matter. so, do you believe that it is possible that adam and eve were created at the same time Lucifer was? All were brought into life simultaneously???? even if that was so, lucifer was an angel once? given to gifts? yes. adam and eve were not supposedly created to be angels, hence, LACKING SOMETHING ANGELS HAD. Angels and "people" are two different existences, two different types of beings all together. And no we weren't all brought into existence simotaneously. God took steps in his creation. Thus the 6 days it took him to create the world and that which lays thereon. No Adam and Eve were not made to be angels, or they would have been made angels and not man and woman of this planet. And no, not lacking something angels had, just again two different types of beings. a reinforcement of my statement. |
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hence, had the lower hand since any beginning AMEN,,,'GOD WANTED PLAYTHINGS' Can't say myself as EXACTLY what God wanted, as I am not God. But from what it seems, God wanted more children. He wanted more family. More love shared, and so much more. How would it have been because he wanted "playthings"? Would be so much easier to make "playthings" just that, and without free will, without real thought so to speak. Was created just for that, "playthings". he did ANGELS,,,this we can only suppose. |
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because he is omnipotent and saw this outcome. ???? god put the whole scenario in place and what?? was clueless as to any outcome? |
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god didn`t want purity, else, he would not have loosed the devil on us, amen. Sure God wanted purity. Reason the world is the way it is, is because Adam/Eve screwed up big time in the beginning. And God plans to not do this same exact mistake over again. Adam/Eve was handed everything on a silver platter moreorless, they were spoiled so to speak. They didn't know what they had, they thought they could have more when Satan told them they could have more. So they obeyed Satan in an attempts to know everything and be as God is. The only one's to blame there are them that ate of the fruit. You can not blame Satan, he only can tempt someone, he does not and can not force someone to do something or not do something. god made adam and eve. let the devil reside in eden. tell me this,,,how could their new/naive brains compete with Lucifers? he was how aged by this time? who can account. no one. one could say, god did this for pure amusement. and later, sorry for it, had to sacrifice his son for it. Who's competing? It's not about who's better or greater, us or Satan. It's about obedience and obeying our Father. No competition with Satan. And God the father sacrificed nothing. Jesus sacrificed himself, he died so we would not have to. no, no, brother, i am not TALKING ABOUT COMPETITION NOW. i say this, adam and eve, they were born innocent, right? and I say this, god let satan chill in the garden of eden to tempt them,,,which is fkkkn unfair fwor the reasons i stated (he`s how many aeons old in comparison???) No it is not unfair. We know not the exact time span between when they were first made to when they were tempted to eat of the tree. God forwarned them not to eat of the tree, so how exactly is it unfair? REGARDLESS if they comprehended what a punishment was or not, the punishment matters not. They were told not to eat of the tree, the why's, howcome's, what will happen if they do's, don't matter. so, do you believe that it is possible that adam and eve were created at the same time Lucifer was? Lucifer was created long while before Adam and Eve. Lucifer was God's arch angel. He was the most beautiful, strongest angel God had. So great, he grew an ego and thought himself greater then God. Thus the reason he was booted from Heaven. on this account, make no mistake. i have been familiar with the bible for years |
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god didn`t want purity, else, he would not have loosed the devil on us, amen. Sure God wanted purity. Reason the world is the way it is, is because Adam/Eve screwed up big time in the beginning. And God plans to not do this same exact mistake over again. Adam/Eve was handed everything on a silver platter moreorless, they were spoiled so to speak. They didn't know what they had, they thought they could have more when Satan told them they could have more. So they obeyed Satan in an attempts to know everything and be as God is. The only one's to blame there are them that ate of the fruit. You can not blame Satan, he only can tempt someone, he does not and can not force someone to do something or not do something. god made adam and eve. let the devil reside in eden. tell me this,,,how could their new/naive brains compete with Lucifers? he was how aged by this time? who can account. no one. one could say, god did this for pure amusement. and later, sorry for it, had to sacrifice his son for it. Who's competing? It's not about who's better or greater, us or Satan. It's about obedience and obeying our Father. No competition with Satan. And God the father sacrificed nothing. Jesus sacrificed himself, he died so we would not have to. no, no, brother, i am not TALKING ABOUT COMPETITION NOW. i say this, adam and eve, they were born innocent, right? and I say this, god let satan chill in the garden of eden to tempt them,,,which is fkkkn unfair fwor the reasons i stated (he`s how many aeons old in comparison???) No it is not unfair. We know not the exact time span between when they were first made to when they were tempted to eat of the tree. God forwarned them not to eat of the tree, so how exactly is it unfair? REGARDLESS if they comprehended what a punishment was or not, the punishment matters not. They were told not to eat of the tree, the why's, howcome's, what will happen if they do's, don't matter. so, do you believe that it is possible that adam and eve were created at the same time Lucifer was? All were brought into life simultaneously???? even if that was so, lucifer was an angel once? given to gifts? yes. adam and eve were not supposedly created to be angels, hence, LACKING SOMETHING ANGELS HAD. Angels and "people" are two different existences, two different types of beings all together. And no we weren't all brought into existence simotaneously. God took steps in his creation. Thus the 6 days it took him to create the world and that which lays thereon. No Adam and Eve were not made to be angels, or they would have been made angels and not man and woman of this planet. And no, not lacking something angels had, just again two different types of beings. so why bring together Satan and adam and eve????? |
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because he is omnipotent and saw this outcome.
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Sat 03/31/12 12:12 AM
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hence, had the lower hand since any beginning
AMEN,,,'GOD WANTED PLAYTHINGS' |
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god didn`t want purity, else, he would not have loosed the devil on us, amen. Sure God wanted purity. Reason the world is the way it is, is because Adam/Eve screwed up big time in the beginning. And God plans to not do this same exact mistake over again. Adam/Eve was handed everything on a silver platter moreorless, they were spoiled so to speak. They didn't know what they had, they thought they could have more when Satan told them they could have more. So they obeyed Satan in an attempts to know everything and be as God is. The only one's to blame there are them that ate of the fruit. You can not blame Satan, he only can tempt someone, he does not and can not force someone to do something or not do something. god made adam and eve. let the devil reside in eden. tell me this,,,how could their new/naive brains compete with Lucifers? he was how aged by this time? who can account. no one. one could say, god did this for pure amusement. and later, sorry for it, had to sacrifice his son for it. Who's competing? It's not about who's better or greater, us or Satan. It's about obedience and obeying our Father. No competition with Satan. And God the father sacrificed nothing. Jesus sacrificed himself, he died so we would not have to. no, no, brother, i am not TALKING ABOUT COMPETITION NOW. i say this, adam and eve, they were born innocent, right? and I say this, god let satan chill in the garden of eden to tempt them,,,which is fkkkn unfair fwor the reasons i stated (he`s how many aeons old in comparison???) No it is not unfair. We know not the exact time span between when they were first made to when they were tempted to eat of the tree. God forwarned them not to eat of the tree, so how exactly is it unfair? REGARDLESS if they comprehended what a punishment was or not, the punishment matters not. They were told not to eat of the tree, the why's, howcome's, what will happen if they do's, don't matter. so, do you believe that it is possible that adam and eve were created at the same time Lucifer was? All were brought into life simultaneously???? even if that was so, lucifer was an angel once? given to gifts? yes. adam and eve were not supposedly created to be angels, hence, LACKING SOMETHING ANGELS HAD. |
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Edited by
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Sat 03/31/12 12:00 AM
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god didn`t want purity, else, he would not have loosed the devil on us, amen. Sure God wanted purity. Reason the world is the way it is, is because Adam/Eve screwed up big time in the beginning. And God plans to not do this same exact mistake over again. Adam/Eve was handed everything on a silver platter moreorless, they were spoiled so to speak. They didn't know what they had, they thought they could have more when Satan told them they could have more. So they obeyed Satan in an attempts to know everything and be as God is. The only one's to blame there are them that ate of the fruit. You can not blame Satan, he only can tempt someone, he does not and can not force someone to do something or not do something. god made adam and eve. let the devil reside in eden. tell me this,,,how could their new/naive brains compete with Lucifers? he was how aged by this time? who can account. no one. one could say, god did this for pure amusement. and later, sorry for it, had to sacrifice his son for it. Who's competing? It's not about who's better or greater, us or Satan. It's about obedience and obeying our Father. No competition with Satan. And God the father sacrificed nothing. Jesus sacrificed himself, he died so we would not have to. no, no, brother, i am not TALKING ABOUT COMPETITION NOW. i say this, adam and eve, they were born innocent, right? and I say this, god let satan chill in the garden of eden to tempt them,,,which is fkkkn unfair fwor the reasons i stated (he`s how many aeons old in comparison???) No it is not unfair. We know not the exact time span between when they were first made to when they were tempted to eat of the tree. God forwarned them not to eat of the tree, so how exactly is it unfair? REGARDLESS if they comprehended what a punishment was or not, the punishment matters not. They were told not to eat of the tree, the why's, howcome's, what will happen if they do's, don't matter. so, do you believe that it is possible that adam and eve were created at the same time Lucifer was? |
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no, they say time lines don`t exist, because it cannot be known
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