I use to be a lurker on that site, good stuff. I'm entrenched in reddit.com/r/atheism now.

Not suggesting agree with everyone else on something that's improbable, but we both know the agnosticism which deals with knowledge and atheism deals with disbelief. to say that because you don't never know doesn't mean a person have to believe or shouldn't believe, hence where theism and atheism comes in. For instance, if someone asked me if i like to play football and i never played, i can say "i don't know if i would like football or not, but i think i might like it", this is why i say they're not mutually exclusive, i get your point on the misnomer part, but you can't negate the fact that they generally can be attached.

My question more so is this, there are people who wholeheartedly believe in God, but don't know for certain one exist. Then there are people who will blow themselves up because they're convinced with a shadow of doubt that there God told them to do so and that it's factually he/she/it exists, whether that is true or not needs to bear some distinction and that is where Gnosticism come in and agnosticism come in.

This is why i sometimes get itchy with agnosticism, because if everybody went by the agnostic route nothing can be proven/disprove, so anyone can propose that all the other million Gods exists and i'm sure a lot of people are not agnostic about those Gods, whether you agree with what i said, i think that narrows my view on the topic and i guess we can go back to the OP.

I find it interesting you're the only person that disagree with this, but to each his own.

Agnosticism is purely about knowledge, if you want to go into semantics this is the breakdown of agnosticism:

Agnosticism (from the Greek - a (without) gnosis (knowledge)) is a claim concerning itself with knowledge, or rather, the lack of knowledge. Someone who claims that they are agnostic when it comes to gods is simply stating that they don't know or cannot possibly know.

Atheism, as in the prefix a(without) and the suffix theist(Gods) is just as the name implies, someone who doesn't believe in any deities, you can be atheist and still be "spiritual", that's why Buddhism is considered to be atheist. The thing is, most atheists are skeptics, this is what lead to their atheism, so it's kind of ironic to be a skeptic, but say believe in astrology.

Also, this is why atheism and agnosticism is not mutually exclusive. You can be agnostic atheist, meaning you don't have knowledge to that Gods exists or not, but because there is no evidence you don't have to "believe" one exist. If you refer to Dawkins scale, i would consider myself a strong 6:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability

My cousin is a deist and says the same thing. Derp.

Wow horrible retort as usual. let me go step by step, bare with me computer broke. God created Adam and Eve, as Genesis portray, meaning he created man as we are today which evolution objects to. I find it baffling when someone says micro evolution happens all the time, but macro cannot. When did I even reply to your chicken, or duck crap? please cite me. fossils, DNA, etc is evidence for the latter. wow irrefutable proof, wish you had that same logic with whatever God you believe in. So to sum this all up, you would have to witness with your eyes an animal evolving for you to accept it? You ignore all the other evidence? why? Also this circle jerk didn't start until you accused me of deliberately targetting you and again you made accusations I never said, i notice in your earlier response you didn't acknowledge that. You keep saying the "atheist way" is baffling because you want some divine dictator in your life is fine and dandy, but don't sit here saying it like God is the only answer, lets stray away from the arguement of ignorance here. Regardless the central point of the sub forum, the question relates to faith and we're in a religious, so I can ask whatever the hell I want in regards to that, if you want to close your ears and scream lalala that's fine too. I didn't come in here to argue with anyone, if you notice I even said thanks for the responses and seriously thought my post would have just died off. Also if you notice I said from a Deistic stand point evolution could have been invoked by a God, so again you're putting words into my statements, I emphasized Christians because of what Genesis says and what I was told to believe, it was a simple question and I got some answers, was suppose to be as simple as that not all this circle jerk you propose I'm causing.

My brain is just bleeding now.

Again, what does god verbally say to you?

wtf, so um what does God tell you?

Atheist position?

Mass check this out, what i found very interesting is the guy who is catholic i believe, accepts evolution wholeheartedly, but i warn you, your ears may bleed of such nonsense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2f_CZsXbyk

when people say it is "just a theory" that alone tells me they don't know about evolution or a scientific theory. I find it even more ironic considering these are the same people who believe a man in the sky is intervening everything and have zero evidence. I feel if you're going to be a skeptic about evolution, be a skeptic about everything.

Agreed, from a deistic stand point they have all right to say God/Supreme consciousness/whatever started the big bang and everything else came into place, that i will give moderate lead way.

I don't care what nobody say, God of the Bible is a G. Not only did he take Joseph shorty, he smashed before he smashed and she was a virgin. What female get to say she cheated on her man with God, if i was Mary i would have said the same thing too, Joseph probably would have beat that a**.

For one i did not say you yourself do not accept evolution, i said people who reject it and don't even research it is being dishonest, so don't put words into my statements. My point in the OP was if evolution by natural selection occurred and we're a common ancestor that evolved from a decedent of great apes, that would cancel out Adam and Eve, and that's the purpose of my OP. It's not about competition on science end, but on a religious end, i only wanted to ask honest Christians how can they reconcile with what i stated above. My link above is referring to your "what if i don't care" mentality. Furthermore if "what if i don't care" is what religious people spew, yet be the same ones fighting to get evolution out of classes is my problem, which seems to flew over your head and also seems you think my statements are a direct attack to you, for what reason i cannot fathom. I never said anything about a belief in God and evolution even in my OP, i stated evolution and scripture, how would they coincide with Christians, so again you're putting words into my statements. Also, curious question, what makes you think evolution is not complete? Have you researched and read up anything that made you feel it is not complete? If you did i would love to see citation, you can even PM me and if you did not, then everything i talked about is my point.

Firstly your use of theories and beliefs is conforming it into some kind of religious principle. I will respond like this, education makes everything better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nxbd4cTgQ0

Not a compeition, really? What world are you living in? Like i said, it takes nothing read up on it fine, it's to the people WHO DON'T read up on it and reject it is my overall point.

Wow at these responses. I'm not going to quote people because i'd be quoting multiple people. I think jrbogie and i forgot who else have it right. Evolution is stated to be factual. It's synonymous with the theory of gravity and the round earth theory. There are array of scientific data that shows evolution, there is countless research papers and books anyone can read. I mean we got a friggin' tail bone for crying out loud. I just find it very interesting that evolution is the only topic some people refuse to research thorough and accept, but everything else they don't care about that doesn't conflict with their religion. If the universe was static, i could see that being a problem, but once scientist propose the big bang was the start of "creation" for the observable universe, religious people was ecstatic.

The funny part is this very topic years ago would have got me beheaded, we as a species came a long way, i think that's why i sometimes get mad, because people don't even take the common courtesy to read what scientist put out. To me it's like this, I've read your Bible, now can you pick up a good book on evolution and consider it, or if you don't fine. You would never see a priest preaching about evolution in church, but creationism needs to find itself in science classrooms. OKAY DEEP BREATH. (this not to the people of this forum to be honest, just venting).

TL;DR People really need to educate themselves on evolution, church would never teach evolution so science classes shouldn't teach creationism.

@Abracadabra Well to be honest i think there is to many paradoxes with a God intervene universe. Also, i think the problem is a lot of people make the word God very ambiguous. One person will say he is the Christian God, someone else will say it is energy and someone else will say it is a supreme consciousness. Everybody want to feel a purpose in life, i mean that's just common human instinct, because we evolved to be very self aware. I mean, you was born into a world you have absolutely no knowledge of, i would want some meaning in my life too. The reason why i reject the Christian God is because the Bible is a horrid depiction of truth and rationalization, among other things and this is why i love this quote (this is not at you just saying):

“I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” —Stephen F Roberts

Ha, this thread is hilarious. Sucks being up this early.

Interesting responses in this thread. I find it very interesting with all the evidence of Dinosaurs, evolution, among other natural phenomena why people don't even for one split second say in their head "maybe i should consider this" (basing this mostly on religious people i encounter), even i use to be a super Christian, but when it came to science and the Bible, i just couldn't believe a lot of the stories which led to my atheism. Appreciate the responses nonetheless.