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How to remove
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I do not just want my profile de-activated, I would like it removed from the database. How do I make that happen?
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Hmmm... do I look over 45?
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so what ya think?
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am i cute or what? lol, i need a tan huh? 
You are cute... as to the tan, natural sunlight causes the skin to make vitamin D which is a powerful anti-cancer agent. So... get plenty of sun but don't try to get a heavy tan... it just aint healthy! |
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Did God create evil?
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I think there have been Christians who have disagreed with my methods, but not with my views. I would be interested in meeting some of these Christians who believe that God created evil. I would love for them to explain that from a scriptural perspective. If you will go back and read my posts (about pg.15 or before) you will see that I said God created all, including that which is now evil. There is no question that I can support that in the Bible, and yes, I am very much a Christian. What you need to realize is that evil is a matter of definition. It just so happens that if you believe a literal interpretation of the Bible (which I do), then the God revealed there gets to set those definitions by the fact that He is Creator. HOWEVER, if you are talking with someone who does not accept that same premise, then good and evil both become subject to their own belief system. In that case, you will not likely be able to convince those people of your point of view by using the Bible as the authority on which you base your assertions, because they believe it to be foolishness or at best fairy tales. There is a Proverb that says - You cannot argue with a fool for he either laughs or rages and there is no peace. Be careful in your discussions... Peace to you my friend |
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Did God create evil?
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Follow the reasoning you proposed and replace 'evil' with 'good'. God then couldn't have created anything 'good' either; 'NO-THING' 'IS' 'GOOD', anymore than 'NO-THING' 'IS' 'EVIL', according to your logic. This is true. If no thingis evil, then no thing can be good either. Yet, when God created the world he saw that it was good. So evidently God uses words differently than we do. 
Abra, You and Voile seem to be qualifying the idea of evil and good with "can be evil/good" or "does evil/good". These idea's are not in question. Actually, the question is a simple one. Jeannie has posted it and asked it rather simplistically so that we can all comprehend it. What does evil look like, and where can we find it? Since God created it we should be able to look all around and see it. So how about a concrete example instead of word games or logic problems with shifting middles as Creative is so want to do. Name something that was created evil. Not with the ability to be evil, or that is subjectively evil so we can get to the answer to the OP before it hits 50 pages. Eljay, Abra and I are not at all suggesting the "can be evil/good" or "does evil/good". You are suggesting such. You seem to be asking others to refrain from 'word games' and 'approximate logic', when it is you Eljay, whom offers arguments based on such. Your lastest request is no different: "... Name something that was created evil. Not with the ability to be evil, or that is subjectively evil..." That Eljay, is playing 'approximate logic' and 'conveniently assembled' word games. The premise you propose is false. Insisting on an answer, which is founded on an erroneous premise, will never make the premise right. To claim that 'god' didn't create 'evil' because 'evil' isn't a thing, would suggest that 'god' didn't create 'good', nor 'love', because neither 'good' nor 'love' are things either, as you insist in your claim. Pointing out the most approximate merit of the premise you propose, by substituting 'evil' with 'good', is an invitation to put an end to the word game, and get back on track. Nothing in creation is neither fundamentally 'evil', nor 'good'. Nothing is either fundamentally 'love' or 'hate', 'generous' or 'greedy'. You could just as easily asked: "... Name something that was created 'GOOD'. Not with the ability to be 'GOOD', or that is subjectively 'GOOD'...". It's a strawman, as apologetics often like to point out. The real object of these types of automatic 'sophisms', is for people, whom share the same belief, to 'defend' their shared dogma, and biblical 'god' from any form of association with the notion of 'evil'. Given that the same group of people insists on promoting that the biblical god has everything to do with the correlate notion of 'good', completely invalidates the 'no evil', disassociation claim. Did god create 'evil'? I don't know! But IF 'god' didn't create 'evil', he sure as 'no hell' didn't create 'good'!!! On the other hand, IF god created 'good', he then sure as 'no hell' created 'evil'!!! If we allow that the Bible is God's revelation to mankind, then it plainly tells us that God IS good, that He Himself is the source of every attribute that is listed as good. Just as plainly, it spells out that sin or evil is that which is against His character or rules. And once again, if we allow that God is the creator (as in the Bible) then that gives Him the authority to set definitions. |
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Did God create evil?
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There is clearly a difference between a thought, a thing and an action. There is also a difference between inherent genetic predisposition and instict. So, can an ACT, carried out by INSTINCT be evil? If genetics creates an intellectually flawed human, is that man's mistake? Or Gods? If an intellectually flawed human is not capable, say a sociopath, is not capable of "RIGHT" thinking is that "EVIL"? Or is it only the ACTS they committ that are evil? Again, we have the problem of determining where evil exists and HOW it got there? If a "good" creation has flawed evolutionary constructs, how can one deny the lack of forthought on the part of a creator? Hense, the creation was flawed from the beginning. This begs the question, why would a 'perfect' creator, embark on creating anything, which would be harmful to the beloved creations? Obviously such a god 'intended' evil to be a factor in its creation. Since god alone is given the only means of creation, then god, alone, is responsible for all that exists. There is much insight in what you have said here! Again though, if we are talking about the God of the Bible, then we have to understand that long before the creation of humans, evil already existed in God's creation (Satan). And if we are to use the Bible as God's revelation of Himself to mankind, then we see that evil did have a role in God's creation of mankind. He knew from the time He created our reality that we would choose to place ourselves above Him (as happened in Genesis 3). But He created mankind to have a relationship with that was personal and comfortable (as can be inferred from His interaction with Adam in chapters 2&3), so he made a plan that would satisfy His need for justice. The Bible is the story of that plan, which was God taking on himself the responsibility for the rebellion (disobedience) so that individuals (once again)had the opportunity to have a choice other than the one that Adam made for them. (see Paul's apologetic on this in Romans chapter 5.) |
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Did God create evil?
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Hey GuideHenry, I am reminded by your avatar of a stately king, who sits at the end of a huge banquet table, with all of his servants working and a jester soon to please... There have been several clear answers from different people, myself included, after the issue at hand became convoluted... The topic as addressed in the OP was did 'God' create evil? If 'God' created all things the question is answered.
OleJeb even quoted scripture, which Christians claim is the word of 'God'... Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace AND CREATE EVIL; I the Lord do all these things.
Again... taken in context, the Isaiah quote must be seen as God certifying to His people that He is indeed the source of all (creator). However, the Bible also makes it clear that God does not create that which is other than good, but it has the potential to be evil or to be used for evil, depending on whether it is a thing or a thinking being. So this passage is plainly saying that that which is (now) evil, was also created God, even though it has become anti-god (evil by god's definition). So, God did not create evil, but rather (by the option of free will) the potential to become evil (anti-god). |
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Did God create evil?
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There are lots of great thoughts being bandied around here and I have not read every one, but it seems to me that the first question one must answer is "who is God?".
I am assuming that we are talking about God as revealed in the hebrew/christian bible. If we are not talking about that God, then there is no way to have a meaningful discussion. For example two individuals who are trying to agree about what someone looks like, will never agree if one is talking about John and the other about Susie. The "god" of Buddism is not ever going to look like the god of islam, who is never going to look like the God of "The Bible". That being said, I see people here talking about the yin and the yang, the ebb and flow, and relating it to God. They are by definition talking about someone other than the Creator God as revealed in the Bible. As is anyone who describes God in any way other than what is revealed in the Bible. This is not surprising, because we are told in the Bible that there are many "gods". That is, ones who claim to be worthy of worship and adoration. Satan did this, and many humans have imitated him (i.e. all the god-kings, pharaohs, Caesar, etc.). So within the context of the Christian Bible, anyone who is NOT the creator and is claiming the right to be worshiped and lifted above all others, or claiming any other prerogative that belongs to Him, is practicing evil. In addition anyone who is doing things that God would not do, or worshiping something/someone other than Him, is practicing evil. So as other have stated here, a rock cannot be evil, but a thinking being can be. And if you take the Bible as truth, God created all thinking beings at which point they (or at least some of them) have the option to be anti-God (evil). This is a topic that one can go a long ways with... but we have to be discussing the same God in order to make any sense. |
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Did God create evil?
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I really shouldn't, but... ROFL
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Great People!
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What a great place this is! I have not been here long but have already met so many nice people! What a refreshing change this site is! Thank you all for your hospitality and great attitudes!
Looking forward to meeting LOTS of new friends! VJ |
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