You go on believing that if you're good you will get a reward in heaven at the end of your life on this planet. I'm sure it will keep you being a good boy because of the sheer terror of what will happen to you if you're a bad boy.

I respect your thoughts.
I definitely know what I think to and don't have to revert to putting others down because they don't think or believe what others do.

Religion has been the cause of billions of people dying because they don't believe the other person's story!

It's like telling a kid the boogie man will take him away if he doesn't go to sleep or eat his dinner.
The art of scaring people to make them follow or get the results you want is old school.

It's a free world and everyone is entitled to their opinions even though some are put down doing so.

the only mistranslated word you should be focusing on is the word "God" ...you're suppose to refer to him as Yahweh ...and you have to practically crucify a Christian to get them to do that ...but until you're willing to do the Yahweh thing....it's proof that your posts on that particular subject are deceptive and dishonest

Religion is for poor people to follow and have hope just like communism.
The people at the top and those dictating it don't give a they've got what they want! Power and money!
Keep the little people little and wanting and they will follow!

God does not irritate me, because it is impossible for a non-existent entity to irritate me. Even the people who post here about their belief don't irritate me. They do however made me sad that people in 2019 can believe that the bible was 'mistranslated' by all the experts who spend all their time trying to understand what the original words actually meant. And then being so arrogant that they feel they can dismiss all this scholarly work and say they know better. You might as well say that the earth is flat. Many people claim that and it is a source of great amusement to read all the things they come up with trying to 'prove' that the majority of people in the world are either deluding themselves or suffering from some great conspiracy be people who know the world is really flat but for some (unexplained) reason want us all to think it is round. The parallels with this thread are part of my amusement.

Please keep them coming, especially the detailed arguments about who said what and what they meant. It has my falling off my chair everytime one of these is posted.

I am waiting for more of this entertainment!

I find it hard to accept that the official translations of the bible are 'wrong' according to one poster here online. The truth is that these translations are all done very carefully by scholars who research their work very carefully. For one person just to dismiss it because it doesn't agree with his own view is arrogant.

The thread asks the question, "Does God exist?" it doesn't ask for self-important people to try to describe bible translations and explain why they might be 'wrong' or 'mistranslations'.

The simple answer to the simple question, is 'NO God does NOT exist, there is quite simply no such thing'. Therefore all the discussions about what the bible says and what it really means are totally irrelevant!

Of course there are people who that God does exist, but I am not at all surprised that the believers can't even agree on what it is that they believe in!

No wonder the world is in the mess it is, with fights between Muslims and Christians and even between Christians who have slightly different beliefs and also Muslims, Shia and Sunny. If there really was a God, everyone in the world would believe in the same God and there would be no arguments. Only people who believe and people who don't.

The priest who has impressed me most in my life was the one who wasn't certain in his beliefs. Those who are totally certain, to the point where they will argue with other believers are the most arrogant people.

My posts are not intended to be part of the arguments going on here, the only discussion is a simple yes or no and my thoughts are well known.

Interestingly, only Tom has replied to my question asking what it is you actually DO believe in. Who among you are Baptists? Methodists? Catholics? Hindu? Muslim? I suspect the truth is that like Tom you have your own belief which are connected with one or other of the mainstream religions, but you know better and therefore don't admit that your own beliefs are in truth just homemade beliefs in which you discard as 'mistranslation' anything you don't like.

Thank you Tom for being the only poster who has answered my question.

sorry but it's not me but the bible that states that God made man in his own image...perhaps to insure the faithful that God is like them and not an alien freak like the flying spaghetti Monster ...that God is like a man a humanoid under the jurisdiction of the laws of physics with arms and legs but no vagina (because the bible apparently hates women)

whatttttt?????? ...but you still haven't answered the snake/serpent question ...

THE SNAKE/SERPENT QUESTION
if it wasn't the descendants of a snake that were cursed by The Lord Almighty to crawl on their bellies...then supply the name of the creature that was in the garden whom cursed descendents today belly crawl .....but if you can't name anything ...then accept the enlightenment that it was nothing else but a snake ....er.. that talked

"to believe is to doubt" ... funches 3:16

right...God made man in the same image as he appeared to himself ...that's why God sees himself and man with having arms and legs which places God as being a product of evolution

going to a Doctor is a lack of Faith

Science is used to explain a given reality .. God is use to explain a given fantasy ... funches 3;16

don't you mean scientology?

to speak requires that the laws of physics had to first exist before God could have spoke

to crawl afterwards was a curse that was also place on it's descendants ...so can you name one of those descendants and let's see if it's a snake or whatever

oh so now it wasn't even a serpent ....see how your posts contradicts itself ...stop being scare and reveal what it is ....but before you reveal make sure it's descendants are following the curse and crawling on their bellies

that implies that you're being used as a "test subject" ...

the fact that is was called 'The Tree of Knowledge" sort of make your opinion moot ...and apparently it was a source of knowledge not connected to nor controlled by God ..

that fact that God himself proclaimed that he has an image means he's of the physical and have arms and legs and whatever else required to get mary pregnant.. having an image with arms and legs is further proof that God is under the jurisdiction of the laws of physics

Does anybody in the year 2019 truly believe that a snake, sorry 'serpent', was able to walk before some 'miracle' removed its legs? There is absolutely NO evidence to suggest that even *might* be true. None whatsoever!

you're confusing subconscious reflex with conscious reaction

you're attempting to turn a Jewish Einstein into something other than Human and that's exactly what the nazis tried to do

isn't that the same guy that retired from ASU due to an array of sexual misconduct allegations ..perhaps he was trying to prove to the women that he had a big bang ...but anyway ...can you just use your own original thoughts (if any) for the debate and stop hiding behind scientologist pervs as your source

Man, the Nephilim, God and the teletubbies are all be under the same laws of physics ...

ok what if i said that snakes can talk and speak Hebrew although I've yet to see one on national geography or animal planet do that.. would I then be your brand of open mindedness?

I'm pretty sure you didn't place on your job application that your thoughts and ideas are not your own but are being implanted into your brain by an external consciousness ...if you did and still got the job ...then your boss is either delusional or a psychiatrist

cool...so are you stating that Einstein would be incapable of this?

nope the sciences would be knowledge handed down to Adam and Eve and their descendents due to the serpent ..

if God made man in his own image that mean that God evolved limbs to survive .. further proof that God is under the jurisdiction of the laws of physics

you lost the debate when you claim that your consciousness was connected to an external cause...that's Zombieism and in fact cancels out 'Free Will"

consciousness and awareness being secondary makes you a Zombie ...

Einstein with all his genius couldn't survive Nazi Germany with his clothes on which is why he wouldn't have been genius enough to survive in the jungle with his clothes off .. simple logic

it was the laws of physics that caused The Big to go Bang...do you think that a leprechaun was in the singularity and lit a stick of dynamite,... nothing can take place without the laws of physics

I'm going by your theory that biblical men were around 4 feet tall therefore the women were between three and one foot tall ..so a giant is not pooping out of that womb .. a 6 foot child would have easily qualified as being a Nephilim ..you still didn't say how tall you were ....is it because you are a Nephilim?

the only Adversary of Adam Eve was God after he kicked them out of eden

it would be fruitless of me to try and convince you that your delusion aren't real

how would you have the knowledge to create knowledge if knowledge didn't exist ..and that's why the laws of physics had to exist before God did .... funches 3;16

when someone get into trouble during a debate ..they magically become an expert in the Hebrew language and start claiming that the bible was mistranslated .. funches 3;16

Correct. I have never met anyone who claims to have experienced a 'true' miracle. If I had met someone like that we could have discussed what the real cause was and probably come to the conclusion that it was another as yet unexplained phenomenon. Nobody I have ever met in my life would tell me about something that happened which they believe was a miracle. I just don't move in circles of people like that, I prefer to avoid them.

Please don't apologise. You've done nothing to offend me, I am just mildly amused at your statements, as well as those from other posters. It's amazing how strong the beliefs are of those so gullible.

It's great that you survived a car accident. Nothing whatsoever to do with some kind of supreme being. Why did he allow you to suffer all that pain in the first place? Some religious people would argue that the pain was punishment for something you did that was wrong. Then again, others would argue that the tsuanmi a number of years ago that killed around ten thousand people was created because each of those people had done some wrong that needed to be punished. If anyone truly believes this, or truly believes in the Old testament myths, then they are gullible people who believe with all their heart because someone else told them it was all true!

Coincidences happen all the time and people survive amazing accidents all the time. Nothing special in that. There are many stories of soldiers in wartime who survive the most incredible situations and live to tell the tale. That's just life. It's what happens. Sometimes we say the opposite, s*** happens. That's when against all expectations, something bad happens. You need to read some good math books about statistics, clearly not your strong point.

Please don't accuse me of denying god. That grammar means that of course I know there is such a being but I prefer to hide my head in the sand and pretend not to know. I don't deny god, I deny the very EXISTENCE of such a mythical being. I state that there is no such thing, never has been and never will be. That's different. It means there is no such thing. All this stuff about what god is or what she did, is simply nonsense. Get it straight, there is no such thing. Got it now?

Physics Rules OK!

Everything follows the laws of physics. What we think of as miracles are no more than events we cannot descibe with our current understanding. Think what Shakespeare would make of a cell phone (mobile phone). He would claim it as a miracle, because that technology not only didn't exist in his time, but it couldn't even have been imagined. Nobody in those days ever thought, "I wish I could talk with someone the other side of the world, just holding a small box in my hand". Today that is called techology and not a miracle. In the future, we will understand more of those things we do not currently understand, as and when science does the research. In the meantime, religion is on the decline in most countries. It's on the increase in some Third World countries, but of course I would not wish to generalise and say that's because they are all gullible. On the other hand it would be reasonable to say that in a country desperate for better living conditions, almost anyone who comes along and promises a better life, is likely to be believed!

Physics Rules OK!

if your consciousness and awareness has nothing to do with it then you wouldn't be able to see within nature" because that would require consciousness and awareness ....see how your posts are a menagerie of contradictions

actually it would be Einstein's way of acknowledging that when it comes to surviving naked in the jungle..Einstein ain't no Einstein

the laws of physics created The Universe and God

nope sorry...remember you claim that in the biblical days everything were 2/3 smaller...that would also include the giants ...which is why any person 6' or more would be a giant and a nephilim ...so...er..how tall are you?

so you don't consider a flood that damn near wiped out The Human Race as damaging ..what if noah and his family also drown and there would be no more humans alive .. ....then would it be damaging enough

it was the Christians that start referring to Satan and Lucifer as an angel and as morningstar to make him one of the bad boys of the bible

I should be getting paid for what I'm teaching you ...without me here to decipher your constant encryption contradictions you wouldn't even knew you were part of a Spinozian mind controlled zombie collective

the fact that you failed to explain how God came before knowledge is the proof that you know he didn't ....but it's still free for you to try and explain it..

so when God commands you to kill is it via text message or a facebook notification

I have a lot views I'm not typically Christian ordained but this is my story my reason for hope me essense for life...

Was driving along the road midnight around there and the next thing I know it hits dark and all goes black I hear a sound of rumbling and the scraping of steel... i'm blacked out... I wake up my window is smashed in I had hit a bridge just a near oversight. The tire wheels are spinning into the floorboards... on my side... I let go of the gas if I had not been broken I would have plunged in the river... it's a deep night I feel my head to feel inside and put two finger tips inside my own head... this scar remains and still hurts a tad if pressed I also have a thing that looks like a permanent hickey from that wreck... I walk down the road flag down help maybe knock on some doors... middle of the night no one's coming around... it had been awhile I was knocked out and given the situation dead of night this old couple drop by country road my own residential neighborhood do not know such said people they have a phone being old timers or not and call police and ambulance... I was able to walk to flag down help and when in the gurney the crew is telling jokes just another day for them worst day in my life for me... at the hospital I am on the bed examined I had 79 liaisons and needed 150 stitches still came within an inch of severing my aiorta… something saved me that night because the car insurance adjuster tells me he's seen a lot of accidents and some of them in less damage that he was actually stunned and in awe I was alive and well and not missing body parts I didn't even use Vicodin they gave me... the people in less accidents had safer vehicles than my 95' Ranger and given the situation of is any of us not meant to exist... I couldn't answer that some people die some live only things that truly matter is how much time we actually have left to tell people how much they mean to us new or old friends relatives...

that would require you to stop claiming that your consciousness is hooked to an external source...

a naked Einstein in the jungle could play like he's MacGyver but probably wouldn't last the night

the ice age took place on the first day of Creation because there were no Sun ...so the Dinosaurs did exist during Noah's Time ...that is why people stop living after 100 years because they were too old to outrun the Dinosaurs and were eaten

that would mean that anyone 6' or more is a Nephilim

no there was a specification since the angelic host (good and evil) were made same height range, which is around 12 foot. their offspring were around 8-18 feet




i believe the majority of Species and secondary lineages did 1 of 2 things:

(1) the flood of noah was not the damaging flood at all. it killed the majority of the fallen sons and their offspring. there is goliath later and few others, but nowhere prevalent as they were before the flood.

(2) and newer, bigger, sub Species within Species, not just 1 form of Rodent but we have 30 types of Sub Species. all animal forms we have on this side of noah are better hunters, bigger, have less predators, and there are thousands to one newer Species than before the flood. So the animals noah had access to would be less like their Species of today.



the Latin term "Lucifer," added to the Hebrew Isaiah, meant Morning Star.
Even Yeshua calls Himself, in Revelation, "the Bright and Morning Star.
I've let you skip past a couple assumption you obviously view towards the Bible. But you are not as educated on the Scriptures as you realize.



God!!



you do not and cannot literally hear the still voice.

It's nice to know that for this imaginary fiction nothing is impossible, even peace it seems. Try telling that to the families of people killed in wars.

It's weird that with so many gods past and present, not one has made their presence known to a 'normal' person or group, only to 'special' people.

And funny that so many godliness loving people proudly display a model of an ancient torture and murder device. Very strange.

And why on Earth do so many gods dislike the tops of peoples heads ? If gods made it, then maybe they should do something about it. Clown wigs.

Actioning morally is better than praying for forgiveness for being dishonest; no belief in god or a devilish hell is needed, to not be an A-hole.

Seeing directly is believing, seeing nothing ever is just wasting my time.

actually that's not how your mind works....remember according to you and Spinoza you're part of "the collective" in which all your ideas come not from you but from an external cause such as a puppet master

toss Einstein naked into the jungle and most likely he would be outwitted and eaten by something with an I.Q. that of a tadpole

all I'm asking is it you believe that two of every animals that existed could have fit on Noah's Ark ...and let's not forget room for all those big old naughty dinosaurs

actually they were referring to the planet Venus ...

actually you got it backwards ...Jesus was telling how the wind was undetectable and had free will ...comparing it to the spirit or the spirit of God ...under the laws of physics there is no Free Will... not even for God which is why there are no Miracles and no Gods (any real ones)