It happened about a year and a half ago. There was a natural progression, for barflys, who left the smokey low-lighted confines of the meat markets, dives, and hole in the walls, to have found their way into cyberspace. I think it very funny when I hear a women say "Where are all the nice guys?", when it was those same women who distroyed the nice guys, beat the goodness right out of them. Go to any cemetery and you can see the rows of nice guys. Or they're the guys who found a nice women, had kids, and are always home on time, don't have the wandering eye, that really mean it when they ask you how your day was.

Kirin beer is made by Mosen now.