Oh, what a neat thread ... and too much to read all at once ... and lots of tangents

But may I suggest there is no truth here in this world of perception ... only concepts not in conflict with truth

If something had truth inherent ... it couldn't change ... and we would all see it the same

But there is nothing that fits that criteria

So everything ... like beauty ... is in the eye of the beholder

And as far as perceiving ... I took Sally D once ... a legal ethnobotanical ... and it was like in Matrix when that silver liquid slips over neo ...

One 'universe' was totally replaced with an equally real other 'universe' ... a delightful one

Did the universe change? What was I 'seeing'? Was it all a projection of my mind with nothing out there at all?

Eventually I came to understand I can't know anything ... can't explain it ... don't need to ... all explanation is theory or what I call theology

Sorta what skyhook said ... so you believe there is one reality ... that is OK cause it can't be proven ... or dis-proven ... and consensus doesn't make something more true

So I just enjoy the ride ... if I want to 'hallucinate' ... which I haven't for a while ... I just ask for it for old times sake ... and get a wee ride ... or not

I do know my experience is one of I get what I ask for ... and spend most of my time being grateful

Zed