I understand... I do.

And, I did think I was supportive at first?

I no how scary and hard it is, and feeling like there is nowhere to
turn.
I also know there are far to many folks whom don't see that this type of
thing takes many years to develope...

I'm not trying to be mean... nor blame, or finger pointing...Hell, I've
made mistakes, too... still do.

I come from the experience that sometimes being blunt, and to the point
is called for. Especially when the mind does circles...
And, it becomes to easy to think with from a place emotion, instead of
remembering we are adults...

Not sure how else to put it? hmmm...

I know not everyone reacts the same. And, I did see someone mention boot
camp?
Having experience, at least in my state, there is no free boot camp, and
if someone does opt for that route they make a boot camp for the
parents, too. And, I can guarentee it's a wake up call...

She also has other children,yes? This effects the whole family.

I am sorry if it seemed that I was inappropriate. I don't think I am.
Sometime folks have to be tough... I think there is room for both
honesty and care...

I do care. And, I also come from a women and children's advocate
background.

I could be coming from a harsher point of view.

for those whom find what I said offensive... ok...

I've been there. And, my questions are valid. I have also seen many
parents whom come to singles sites asking for help while the problems
are home based and can not be dealt with online.
I don't know that what she says is true. The first post was to blame her
ex... and, no history behind it at all.

In reality folks, it's damned hard when kids lose thier way, and the
system has to be fought. That take alot of energy and time. I have been
there...
differences being she is not hidden at home with her ex violent... he is
not even there.
So, there ARE avenues available.

If folks wanna jump at me... go for it.

I am being honest with her, and ask very valid questions based on what I
see... and, chatting in forums while in crisis is a concern for her, and
her daughter...

btw?

too any parents today wait too long, then want an easy answer, and take
no responsibility. I have answered her based on my concern for her, and
her daughter.

I don't *****foot around when it comes to kids.

If she's gonna fight the system, and for her daughter, she better be
able to answer some small questions.

yeah so turns out I still am breaking stuff...lol. so, gonna go for the
night

hope everyone's night is good one them, and those waking sleepy heads
ease into a new day...

I don't do chatrooms... woops

LMAO! robin too true!

eileena, I would suggest you spend alot more time involved in taking
care of the problems.

I mean the cops were there tonight, for...? what happened before?

Seriuosly, handle it at the time...

sorry you are going through this, but I have to ask why you are online
still...?

I think it's been addressed in the feedback thread, and emails...

woohoo!

and, glad you guys came, too

I just said that, LOL!

voodoo

I know how hard it is.

My son went through that.
When he became violent, I had to be tough but loving all at once, and
still try to make time for my daughter...
When he did become that way, I called the police. His Dad did nothing
with them unless it was for show for the benefit of his family...And,
then it was more he was the victim needing understanding...
What a mess.

And, still today my son continues to battle the feelings of abandonment,
and feelings of worthlessness. It breaks my heart,because I know how
that feels. And, for a boy to grow up knowing the most important male
figure in his life never cared, and told him he was a mistake...?

It will take time. The one thing I did learn was to not wait until
things become so bad...

Also, taking responsibility for my part in it all. She has two parents.
As my kids did, even if it was terrible, I still was there and messed
up...

luck to you...

clarity...

Abra!!!

thanks, you...

and, I am happy to see you write.

omg!!! the donut tease!

i am bound to fumble whereever I type...lol

joanie, your' gonna get it.

I invited close loves... I also explained about the gold part as folks
were asking about smilies and other stuff...

the house
the ship
all these wonders
lifetime cracked
yet, in hand
mixtures healing mortar
one seam at a time
a patch here
daub there


and, wonder no more...

Thank you...

And, a true thing, eh?

LMAO!

ohhhh, that oops was soooo not genuine!

Sometimes I click a profile if someone has replied to me, or mails me...

other than that, I don't bother.lol

I click the option of no married men...

and, truthfully, I will pass right by any profile that says "someone to
complete me""my princess","Looking for miss right"...

I'm a realist. So, just take my time to get to know folks from forums.

ummm... you do know anyone can get her email,yes? Even foks not freinds.

thoughts go out. but might want to email folks instead.

not that it matters now, lol.