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| Topic: It's The Heart Versus The Bible. | |
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This is a potentially fatal problem for our civilization. As beautiful as the heart might be, it is neither intellectually nor morally profound. This is the biggest crock of bull I ever heard in my entire life. The Holy Spirit lives within us and guides us from within. You can never do better than trusting your own heart. That is the ultimate surrender to God. If an ancient book written by male chauvinist pigs who had many bigoted ideas doesn’t mesh with our heart there’s probably very good reason for it. I would always place my heart above someone else’s bigotry. I think it’s a problem that people are following their hearts today. I think it used to be a problem that people used to use a book written by ancient bigots to guide them instead of using their own heartfelt wisdom. My biggest objection with the Bible in the first place is that its far too stupid and bigoted to be from a supreme being. It’s time we wised up and realized that that book did not come from any Santa Claus in the sky, but instead is a direct record of the bigotry, superstition and of prejudices of ancient men. They make out God to be a male chauvinistic egotist. And I’m not talking about Jesus either. Everyone who knows me knows that I have posted time and time again that Jesus did a compete about-face from those ancient bigotries. Even though he claimed not to come to change the law, he preached a completely opposite philosophy of life then was taught in the Old Testament. He stopped the stoning of ‘sinners’. He taught us not to be judgmental. He never said anything against same sex relationships. He taught us to turn the other cheek instead of seeking revenge as an eye-for-and-eye and a tooth-for-a-tooth. He never ordered anyone to massacre heathens. Unfortunately because of the way the gospels were written Jesus can’t be separated from the OT whilst simultaneously believing that the gospels are the ‘gospel truth’ so Jesus cannot be saved. But the rest of us can be! Thank God for giving us hearts!  Abra, How about you address the issues in the article rather then your standard rant against religion? How many times can you post the exact same thing? I don't see Jesus mentioned once in the article. What about Peta? What about the idea that people base their values like saving dogs over humans because they love their dog and they never met the drowning homeless guy? |
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"The child should be given up for adoption." And just who are you to decide that?
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So a person who listens to their heart, cannot have a mind?
I find that a little narrow... And the appearance of a reference to non religious people rely on heart...whereas religious people utilise mind.... Hhhhmmm? A little skewed wouldn't one say? 
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"The child should be given up for adoption." And just who are you to decide that? Thankyou Peccy.... I was thinking the same thing... I see the word 'should' and hear a judgement call... not a compassion call, in the circumstances... |
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"The child should be given up for adoption." And just who are you to decide that? Ask that child in 15 years if thats what s/he would have wanted. |
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"The child should be given up for adoption." And just who are you to decide that? Thankyou Peccy.... I was thinking the same thing... I see the word 'should' and hear a judgement call... not a compassion call, in the circumstances... You believe it’s more compassionate to kill that child then to give it a chance at life? Wow! We really are addressing the heart of Pragers point. |
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But at the time it's the mother's decision
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"The child should be given up for adoption." And just who are you to decide that? Thankyou Peccy.... I was thinking the same thing... I see the word 'should' and hear a judgement call... not a compassion call, in the circumstances... You believe it’s more compassionate to kill that child then to give it a chance at life? Wow! We really are addressing the heart of Pragers point. No.... actually I am adopted...imagine that!!! I have also been raped...imagine that!! I have also had an unplanned pregnancy!! I magine that??? Have you been raped, and found yourself pregnant?? If not... take your 'shoulds,' and place them back in the little box they came from.. |
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So a person who listens to their heart, cannot have a mind? I find that a little narrow... And the appearance of a reference to non religious people rely on heart...whereas religious people utilise mind.... Hhhhmmm? A little skewed wouldn't one say? The heart of ALL people guides us in the wrong direction. That’s why we need to have the Bible to tell us not to follow our hearts blindly. The Bible sets down values and morals. Once we have established those, then we can act in the most compassionate way that still upholds those crucial values. |
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Edited by
Peccy
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Mon 03/10/08 12:08 AM
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No I don't want to live my life the way King James sees fit. You really think that it is the absolute word of some supreme being?
Just because it's in red? You are really sad and weak minded. |
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For 25 years I have been asking high school seniors across America if they would save their dog or a stranger first if both were drowning. The majority has nearly always voted against the person. Why? Because, they say with no self-doubt, they love their dog, not the stranger. This is a absolutely totally meaningless survey. You can’t ask people that kind of question and give any value to their response because it isn’t a real situation. It’s easy to say that they will save their dog when asked that question. But put them in the real situation and WATCH what they ACTUALLY DO!!! I’m willing to bet that you will be shocked to learn that people who answer survey questions one way, act entirely differently under real conditions. Moreover, no human being is under and moral obligation to save any other human being. Even the Bible doesn’t suggest that, or if it does, it only does it in-between all the times when God is telling men like Joshua to go out and murder entire civilizations. Give me break. The Bible doesn’t instill good morals. The Bible instills more bigotry than morals. And PreciousLife, there is no animosity in my posts. I’m just giving my honest feelings. The Bible has been used to do more harm than good through out history in more ways that people imagine!!! The people who came to North America and ran off the Indian Pantheists were Christians! The people who went to Africa to bring over the black man to enslave were Christians! I’m not saying that the Bible told these people to do these things, but it certainly didn’t TEACH them any better manners!!! And that’s the only point that needs to be made. How about you address the issues in the article rather then your standard rant against religion? How many times can you post the exact same thing? I don't see Jesus mentioned once in the article. As far as I'm concerned its all the same religion. It’s all based on the same original Old Testament. In fact, most of the prejudice and bigotry that Christians spew comes from the OT not the NT. Like God being against same-sex relationships. That’s OT stuff, not found in the NT. Or at least not from Jesus anyway. They are intimately tied together. It all the same as far as I’m concerned. |
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"The child should be given up for adoption." And just who are you to decide that? Thankyou Peccy.... I was thinking the same thing... I see the word 'should' and hear a judgement call... not a compassion call, in the circumstances... You believe it’s more compassionate to kill that child then to give it a chance at life? Wow! We really are addressing the heart of Pragers point. No.... actually I am adopted...imagine that!!! I have also been raped...imagine that!! I have also had an unplanned pregnancy!! I magine that??? Have you been raped, and found yourself pregnant?? If not... take your 'shoulds,' and place them back in the little box they came from.. Everything you are describing is an emotional issue. The problem is that we can’t make wise decisions when we are in an emotional state. You have suffered through great tragedy, which does not mean that you will make the wisest decisions. We do need morals and values to guide us – particularly when we suffer through horrific situations. |
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So a person who listens to their heart, cannot have a mind? I find that a little narrow... And the appearance of a reference to non religious people rely on heart...whereas religious people utilise mind.... Hhhhmmm? A little skewed wouldn't one say? Yes and how come we are always told not to think about the Bible 'intellectually'? Just believe on FAITH and don't ask questions.  As soon as you start asking questions you'll quickly discover that the book doesn't make any sense! Again, no animosity or emotion here. Just pointing out the facts. |
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No I don't want to live my life the way King James sees fit. You really think that it is the absolute word of some supreme being? Just because it's in red? You are really sad and weak minded. You are the one who belives that its better for a child to be killed then to have a chance at life. I wouldnt be calling me any names. Kettle black and all that. |
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Yes and how come we are always told not to think about the Bible 'intellectually'? Just believe on FAITH and don't ask questions. As soon as you start asking questions you'll quickly discover that the book doesn't make any sense! Again, no animosity or emotion here. Just pointing out the facts. I know!!! How weird is that??? And this moral high ground of adopting out a baby from a woman already traumatised by having conceived in rape...skewed compassion there too... |
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No I don't want to live my life the way King James sees fit. You really think that it is the absolute word of some supreme being? Just because it's in red? You are really sad and weak minded. You are the one who belives that its better for a child to be killed then to have a chance at life. I wouldnt be calling me any names. Kettle black and all that. "Judge not, that yeh not be judged"....funny I remember reading that somewhere....... |
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For 25 years I have been asking high school seniors across America if they would save their dog or a stranger first if both were drowning. The majority has nearly always voted against the person. Why? Because, they say with no self-doubt, they love their dog, not the stranger. This is a absolutely totally meaningless survey. You can’t ask people that kind of question and give any value to their response because it isn’t a real situation. It’s easy to say that they will save their dog when asked that question. But put them in the real situation and WATCH what they ACTUALLY DO!!! I’m willing to bet that you will be shocked to learn that people who answer survey questions one way, act entirely differently under real conditions. The Bible doesn’t instill good morals. The Bible instills more bigotry than morals. If they have the gumption to publicly admit it, I fully believe them. Usually it would be the opposite. They would say they would rescue the man but when it comes down to it they would save their dogs because it’s too painful for them to watch their dog drown. But I never expected them to not even be embarrassed by it and openly admit they would save their dog over a stranger. If you think the Bible installs more bigotry then morals then obviously you have not read the Bible. You hear some poster yell about Joshua and you ignore the whole point of the Bible. I have explained in detail why Joshua was justified in all his actions. Read the Old Testament and you will see love and kindness in every action commanded by G-d. If you are not sure where the love is, feel free to ask me. |
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Were you looking at my profile to see what religion I am PreciousLife? is that why the 'compassion' jibe?
You show yourself Mister...glean anything interesting from my profile??? Other than I listed Buddhism/Taoism? Ha!! |
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For 25 years I have been asking high school seniors across America if they would save their dog or a stranger first if both were drowning. The majority has nearly always voted against the person. Why? Because, they say with no self-doubt, they love their dog, not the stranger. Moreover, no human being is under and moral obligation to save any other human being. Even the Bible doesn’t suggest that, or if it does, it only does it in-between all the times when God is telling men like Joshua to go out and murder entire civilizations. Give me break. Abra, You just made my point for me louder then I ever could. In fact every time you say that you are as moral as any religious person I will quote this quote of yours. There is no moral obligation to save another human??????????????? The Bible states that we can break all the laws in the Bible in order to save a human life. The Bible values human life above all else. This is exactly Prager’s point. Your “heart” decides what is and isn’t an obligation and you decided that you don’t have an obligation to save a human life. Wow! |
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"The child should be given up for adoption." And just who are you to decide that? Thankyou Peccy.... I was thinking the same thing... I see the word 'should' and hear a judgement call... not a compassion call, in the circumstances... You believe it’s more compassionate to kill that child then to give it a chance at life? Wow! We really are addressing the heart of Pragers point. No.... actually I am adopted...imagine that!!! I have also been raped...imagine that!! I have also had an unplanned pregnancy!! I magine that??? Have you been raped, and found yourself pregnant?? If not... take your 'shoulds,' and place them back in the little box they came from.. Everything you are describing is an emotional issue. The problem is that we can’t make wise decisions when we are in an emotional state. You have suffered through great tragedy, which does not mean that you will make the wisest decisions. We do need morals and values to guide us – particularly when we suffer through horrific situations. That is utterly ridiculous! You are not the one who will have to carry an unwanted child in your belly for 9 months. What you need to do is get off your high religious and woefully archaic horse and put yourself in her shoes. And why are you so positive this is the right thing to do? Because a book of parables that has been changed throughout the course of history tells you it's right? Sir I am a writer, and I know full well what happens in the editing process. Do you think that the tales in the bible have not been embellished upon? Those tales weren't even written until 500 years after the fact. If there was a god, don't you think that paper would have been invented sooner and by a Christian for record keeping purposes? |
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