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Topic: Was Moses high on Mount Sinai?
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Sat 03/08/08 07:48 PM

Was Moses high on Mount Sinai?

so Moses was high on Mount Sinai? ..so is Mount Sinai the name of the drug that Moses was using to get high or the name of the mountain where Moses was high on

so Moses was "stone on drugs" ..God told Moses to stone adulterers and unruly children to death...that phrase has a whole new meaning now


laugh ROTFLMAO!

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Sun 03/09/08 10:10 PM

When Moses brought the Ten Commandments down from Mount Sinai, he may have been high on a hallucinogenic plant, according to a new study by an Israeli psychology professor.

Writing in the British philosophy journal Time and Mind, Benny Shanon of Jerusalem’s Hebrew University said two plants in the Sinai desert contain the same psychoactive molecules as those found in plants from which the powerful Amazonian hallucinogenic brew ayahuasca is prepared.

The thunder, lightning and blaring of a trumpet which the Book of Exodus says emanated from Mount Sinai could just have been the imaginings of a people in an “altered state of awareness,” Shanon hypothesized.

“In advanced forms of ayahuasca inebriation, the seeing of light is accompanied by profound religious and spiritual feelings,” Shanon wrote.

“On such occasions, one often feels that in seeing the light, one is encountering the ground of all Being ... many identify this power as God.”

Shanon wrote that he was very familiar with the affects of the ayahuasca plant, having “partaken of the ... brew about 160 times in various locales and contexts.”

He said one of the psychoactive plants, harmal, found in the Sinai and elsewhere in the Middle East, has long been regarded by Jews in the region as having magical and curative powers.

Shanon acknowledged that he had "no direct proof of this interpretation" and said such proof cannot be expected.

Biblical scholars scoffed at Shanon's suggestion. Orthodox rabbi Yuval Sherlow told Israel Radio: “The Bible is trying to convey a very profound event. We have to fear not for the fate of the biblical Moses, but for the fate of science.”


This article is beyond silly. What is the point of picking one miracle in the Bible and saying that the people were high at the time. How would he explain all the other miracles in the Bible that was witnessed by all the people? For example the ten plagues in Egypt? Were ALL the Egyptians and ALL the Israelites stoned again?

Was the Bible a history of people who were high and stoned for 3000 years???

This doesn’t even begin to make any sense. If someone does not want to believe the Bible, fine. But to come up with these ridiculous explanations is ludicrous.

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Mon 03/10/08 05:26 AM

Was the Bible a history of people who were high and stoned for 3000 years???


would this be considered as being a miracle?



This doesn’t even begin to make any sense.


so you believe that it doesn't make sense that Moses was stone on drugs when he heard voices but yet you believe that it does make sense that Moses heard voices without being stoned on drugs? ...either way drugs was involved or should have been involved in the form of medication

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Mon 03/10/08 11:31 AM


Was the Bible a history of people who were high and stoned for 3000 years???


would this be considered as being a miracle?


This doesn’t even begin to make any sense.


so you believe that it doesn't make sense that Moses was stone on drugs when he heard voices but yet you believe that it does make sense that Moses heard voices without being stoned on drugs? ...either way drugs was involved or should have been involved in the form of medication


It wasn't just Moses. Between 2 and 3 million people witnessed what happened at Sinai. In addition the many miracles in the Bible happened over an extended period of time so the premise of being drugged on ONE occasion just makes no logical sense.

Not that logic ever stopped the Bible bashers. If you hate something you will use everything at your disposal to discredit it whether its logical or not. That's called intellectual dishonesty. There are legitimate points to make in questioning whether the Bible is true. This one is not one of them - if you are honest.

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Mon 03/10/08 11:57 AM

It wasn't just Moses. Between 2 and 3 million people witnessed what happened at Sinai.


and more than 3 million people watched David Copperfield perform miracles ..but David Copperfeild wasn't on stage claiming that he heard voices


In addition the many miracles in the Bible happened over an extended period of time so the premise of being drugged on ONE occasion just makes no logical sense.


again just because someone heard a voice doesn't make it a miracle ..those mountains can throw an echo pretty good ..it could have been a prankster that said "I AM" and the mountains made it sound like a Godly voice and with a little drug inducment Moses became a believer that it was God


Not that logic ever stopped the Bible bashers.


is a bible basher someone that ask questions because they want to know or is the believer a logic basher because they rely on "faith" not to know


If you hate something you will use everything at your disposal to discredit it whether its logical or not. That's called intellectual dishonesty. There are legitimate points to make in questioning whether the Bible is true. This one is not one of them - if you are honest.


and if you were honest you wouldn't be preaching that this type of debate rely on hate to take place, unless you are the one that is doing the hating

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Mon 03/10/08 12:56 PM


It wasn't just Moses. Between 2 and 3 million people witnessed what happened at Sinai.


and more than 3 million people watched David Copperfield perform miracles ..but David Copperfeild wasn't on stage claiming that he heard voices


In addition the many miracles in the Bible happened over an extended period of time so the premise of being drugged on ONE occasion just makes no logical sense.


again just because someone heard a voice doesn't make it a miracle ..those mountains can throw an echo pretty good ..it could have been a prankster that said "I AM" and the mountains made it sound like a Godly voice and with a little drug inducment Moses became a believer that it was God


This wasn't an isolated incident where they might have mistaken an "echo" for the voice of G-d. This was a continuing journey of the miraculous. They had manna (food) falling from the sky for forty years. G-d split the sea and rescued them from the Egyptians who were the strongest nation on earth. They were surrounded and guided by clouds that protected them. The voice at Sinai was so powerful and overwhelming that the Israelites begged Moses to ask G-d to stop because they couldn't bear it because of its power.

Dozens of nations came out to attack them in the desert and they defeated each one. A nation that was slaves for 210years who were wandering in the desert defeated many mighty nations who attacked them.

There could be no mistake. The evidence for the Israelites was overwhelming.

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Mon 03/10/08 01:00 PM


Not that logic ever stopped the Bible bashers.


is a bible basher someone that ask questions because they want to know or is the believer a logic basher because they rely on "faith" not to know


If you hate something you will use everything at your disposal to discredit it whether its logical or not. That's called intellectual dishonesty. There are legitimate points to make in questioning whether the Bible is true. This one is not one of them - if you are honest.


and if you were honest you wouldn't be preaching that this type of debate rely on hate to take place, unless you are the one that is doing the hating


Questions are perfectly fine. Saying that the people were smoking pot or something borders on the ridiculous.

There is a big distinction between an honest seeker who has genuine questions about the Bible and someone who is out to destroy at any cost and has no intellectual integrity and honesty.

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Mon 03/10/08 03:45 PM

Questions are perfectly fine. Saying that the people were smoking pot or something borders on the ridiculous.


well the same thing happen to explain the salem witch trials. it was said that they were under the imfluence of ergot..or was blaming ergot posioning a way to disclaim responsiblity for what took place which means that it's not ridiculous to say that Moses may have been under the influence of a control substance



There is a big distinction between an honest seeker who has genuine questions about the Bible and someone who is out to destroy at any cost and has no intellectual integrity and honesty.


well it appears "PreciousLife" that you are big on honesty so let me ask you an question ...if you heard the word of God telling you to "stone adulterers and unruly children to death" would you do it today without question?

..er..by stone I mean stone with bricks not drugs ...ok not a brick of cocaine I mean like a rock...ok not a rock of crack..you know hit somebody...no not give someone a hit off a crack pipe ...ok forget it..let's rephase it... would you kill if God told you to kill people like he told Moses

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Mon 03/10/08 09:10 PM


There is a big distinction between an honest seeker who has genuine questions about the Bible and someone who is out to destroy at any cost and has no intellectual integrity and honesty.


well it appears "PreciousLife" that you are big on honesty so let me ask you an question ...if you heard the word of God telling you to "stone adulterers and unruly children to death" would you do it today without question?

..er..by stone I mean stone with bricks not drugs ...ok not a brick of cocaine I mean like a rock...ok not a rock of crack..you know hit somebody...no not give someone a hit off a crack pipe ...ok forget it..let's rephase it... would you kill if God told you to kill people like he told Moses


That's why funches its important to study the Bible rather then just judge based on a quick read. No "unruly" children were ever stoned. It was meant as a warning against extreme behavior by children. There is a very complex formula before ANYONE is ever stoned to death.

For example an adulterer (or any crime with a biblical death penalty) needs to be warned right before s/he commits adultery that his or her action will result in the death penalty. It also has to be witnessed by two witnesses. I don't know about you but nobody in their right mind would commit adultery under such circumstances. The point is to teach us that adultery rips the very fabric from our marriage and destroys our sense of trust. Its a horrible thing to do to another human being and its so sad what a joke it has become today.

Speak to anyone who has been cheated on. Its a devastating thing that destroys people. Heck, ask half the people on here about how painful it is.

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Tue 03/11/08 05:46 AM

For example an adulterer (or any crime with a biblical death penalty) needs to be warned right before s/he commits adultery that his or her action will result in the death penalty.


so how would they know the exact time someone was about to commit adultery ..would the two adulterers hold up a red flag or something...see "PreciousLife" now you are not being honest by trying to be evasive because doesn't those death penalty warning comes with the religious teachings so that is why when someone gets caught committing adultry they automatically gets stone to death ..

and you also have avoided the question which was if you heard the voice of God telling you to kill would you do it without question ....and your relutance to answer the question is probably because you realize that someone would have to be either derange or under the influence of a control substance in order to do the things that Moses are credited for so that is why it is possible that Moses was under the influences of drugs or just plain crazy when he claim that he heard the voice of God

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Tue 03/11/08 07:12 AM
Now I have seen it all.....Do you realize how old that Moses was when he came off the mountain....so your saying he was just up their getting high and talking to burning bushes and then came down all stoned to deliver what God (a myth) wanted for our lives. Tell me was God also getting high with Moses......I think this takes the cake for the most hysterical religion thread to date.

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Tue 03/11/08 08:30 AM

Now I have seen it all.....


you haven't seen God yet


Do you realize how old that Moses was when he came off the mountain....


drug usage may cause some people to age prematurely besides running out of drugs is a pretty good reason to come off the mountain


so your saying he was just up their getting high and talking to burning bushes


well isn't that what people do when that are high on drugs


and then came down all stoned to deliver what God (a myth) wanted for our lives.


it's called sharing the experience ...or the hallucination


Tell me was God also getting high with Moses......


well God was up there burning a bush ...today thats slang for smoking weed


I think this takes the cake for the most hysterical religion thread to date.


nah that would be the Jesus is God thread



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Tue 03/11/08 09:19 AM


Now I have seen it all.....


you haven't seen God yet


Do you realize how old that Moses was when he came off the mountain....


drug usage may cause some people to age prematurely besides running out of drugs is a pretty good reason to come off the mountain


so your saying he was just up their getting high and talking to burning bushes


well isn't that what people do when that are high on drugs


and then came down all stoned to deliver what God (a myth) wanted for our lives.


it's called sharing the experience ...or the hallucination


Tell me was God also getting high with Moses......


well God was up there burning a bush ...today thats slang for smoking weed


I think this takes the cake for the most hysterical religion thread to date.


nah that would be the Jesus is God thread








Ahhh my sweet sweet funch......kisses......You know I have spoke to the Lord God Almighty......whether you believe or not...well thats your gig.....lol

I highly think even you can't believe the crap of this thread......I honestly don't.....you just trying to rile the feral....admit...cmon well I won't be riled...because not work for how lame this thread is imo.

No I think they fry eggs in a pan and stand around and say "This is my brain, this is my brain on drugs." laugh laugh laugh

I think God is so hysterical with laughter and anyone that would by the crap of this tread....may they need to take a long look at their life and give up the drugs......God had a hand in my recovery....drug and drink free for 18 years....

Yanno funch of all the player at least I gave you credit for having the brain God gave ya.....now very seriously re-thinking that.....Cuz if your buying this crap at all........whewwwwww

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Tue 03/11/08 11:39 AM

Ahhh my sweet sweet funch......kisses......


yes baby give me some of that sweet loving mama


You know I have spoke to the Lord God Almighty


so are you saying that you also hear voices and God spoke back


whether you believe or not...well thats your gig.....lol


well you know my motto..."to believe is to doubt"...funches 3:16


I highly think even you can't believe the crap of this thread......


but yet you believe the crap in the bible


I honestly don't.....you just trying to rile the feral....admit...cmon well I won't be riled...because not work for how lame this thread is imo.


not trying to rile you.... we are discussing


No I think they fry eggs in a pan and stand around and say "This is my brain, this is my brain on drugs." laugh laugh laugh


"this is my brain on drugs" is probably what someone would say if they heard a burning bush talking


I think God is so hysterical with laughter and anyone that would by the crap of this tread....


yes smoking a burning bush does tend to make one laugh hysterically


may they need to take a long look at their life and give up the drugs......


you mean even those that take medication for illness


God had a hand in my recovery....drug and drink free for 18 years....


if you were under the influence when you meet God then why is it impossible for Moses to have been under the influence of a control substance when he heard God


Yanno funch of all the player at least I gave you credit for having the brain God gave ya.....now very seriously re-thinking that.....Cuz if your buying this crap at all........whewwwwww


the point is that all belief is crap ...and why none of it should be claimed as being truth

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Tue 03/11/08 11:56 AM


Ahhh my sweet sweet funch......kisses......


yes baby give me some of that sweet loving mama


You know I have spoke to the Lord God Almighty


so are you saying that you also hear voices and God spoke back


whether you believe or not...well thats your gig.....lol


well you know my motto..."to believe is to doubt"...funches 3:16


I highly think even you can't believe the crap of this thread......


but yet you believe the crap in the bible


I honestly don't.....you just trying to rile the feral....admit...cmon well I won't be riled...because not work for how lame this thread is imo.


not trying to rile you.... we are discussing


No I think they fry eggs in a pan and stand around and say "This is my brain, this is my brain on drugs." laugh laugh laugh


"this is my brain on drugs" is probably what someone would say if they heard a burning bush talking


I think God is so hysterical with laughter and anyone that would by the crap of this tread....


yes smoking a burning bush does tend to make one laugh hysterically


may they need to take a long look at their life and give up the drugs......


you mean even those that take medication for illness


God had a hand in my recovery....drug and drink free for 18 years....


if you were under the influence when you meet God then why is it impossible for Moses to have been under the influence of a control substance when he heard God


Yanno funch of all the player at least I gave you credit for having the brain God gave ya.....now very seriously re-thinking that.....Cuz if your buying this crap at all........whewwwwww


the point is that all belief is crap ...and why none of it should be claimed as being truth




Ahh funch this is truly a game you don't tire of do you? Know God speaks to me constantly and leads me...like we have not already talked about this....but have your fun....lol

As my belief is devine.



Well I would not ever call the Bible or anything in it crap.....but this thread...hmmmmmmm crap

What is there to discuss I think its crap and funches was on top of the mountain getting high with God and Mosses....pleazzeeeee

And as much as you know I adore you funch


Debbie 1 funch 0

Because there is absolutely not validity to this thread at all.....And funch there is a difference between drugs and meds....and by all means I would not want you to go off yours......It could be detremental to your health.

I did not see God on drugs......God helped me through his Love and guidance quit drugs.....And please Mosses was no more doing drugs then I would now........crap at all........whewwwwww

Wheewwww them is fighting words...My belief is not crap and just because you don't......give no credence to me doing so....so neener neener....

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Tue 03/11/08 12:26 PM

Because there is absolutely not validity to this thread at all.....And funch there is a difference between drugs and meds....


and "feralcatlady" what's the difference between drugs and medication when medication is drugs ..you mention Moses age so he could have been using drugs for his aches and pains or other ailments ..imagine someone his age thinking they could scale up to the top of a Mountain ..what was he on drugs or something

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Wed 03/12/08 05:32 AM
the burning bush of Moses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPQR-OsH0RQ

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