can we discuss the topic on hand and not my military record?

can we discuss the topic on hand and not my military record?

sure so how about showing some proof those pictures were actually used at the trial...like you claim..

just follow the link provided

Disturbing New Photos From Abu Ghraib
By Wired.com Staff
See related story: How Good People Turn Evil, From Stanford to Abu Ghraib
02.28.08 | 12:00 AM
NSFW: VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED. As an expert witness in the defense of an Abu Ghraib guard who was court-martialed, psychologist Philip Zimbardo had access to many of the images of abuse that were taken by the guards themselves. For a presentation at the TED conference in Monterey, California, Zimbardo assembled some of these pictures into a short video. Wired.com obtained the video from Zimbardo's talk, and is publishing some of the stills from that video here. Many of the images are explicit and gruesome, depicting nudity, degradation, simulated sex acts and guards posing with decaying corpses. Viewer discretion is advised.

Scott Higham and Joe Stephens, "Punishment and Amusement. Documents Indicate 3 Photos Were Not Staged for Interrogation," Washington Post, May 22, 2004: Documents, which include "statements by four of the seven MPs now charged in the abuse scandal ... provide new insights into the unfolding case [and] contain tantalizing hints about the role of military intelligence officers who operated in the shadows of Tier 1A at the prison." Also see Leonard Downie, Jr., Iraq: New Abuse Details (Transcript), Washington Post, May 21, 2004.
Josh White, Christian Davenport and Scott Higham, "Videos Amplify Picture of Violence," Washington Post, May 21, 2004:
"In a collection of hundreds of so-far-unreleased photographs and short digital videos obtained by The Washington Post, U.S. soldiers are shown physically and emotionally abusing detainees last fall in the Abu Ghraib prison on the outskirts of Baghdad.
"The new pictures and videos go beyond the photos previously released to the public in several ways, amplifying the overt violence against detainees and displaying a variety of abusive techniques previously unseen. They show a group of apparently cavalier soldiers assaulting prisoners, forcing detainees to masturbate, and standing over a naked prisoner while holding a shotgun. Some of the videos echo scenes in previously released still photographs -- such as the stacking of naked detainees -- but the video images render the incidents more vividly."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Abu_Ghraib:_Photographic_Evidence_of_Brutality

They showed many of those photos on the news repeatedly and said they were used in the trial.

NSFW: VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED. As an expert witness in the defense of an Abu Ghraib guard who was court-martialed, psychologist Philip Zimbardo had access to many of the images of abuse that were taken by the guards themselves. For a presentation at the TED conference in Monterey, California, Zimbardo assembled some of these pictures into a short video. Wired.com obtained the video from Zimbardo's talk, and is publishing some of the stills from that video here. Many of the images are explicit and gruesome, depicting nudity, degradation, simulated sex acts and guards posing with decaying corpses. Viewer discretion is advised.

We are certainly winning friends and influencing people now, aren't we?
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/news/13112

Philip Kennicott, "A Wretched New Picture Of America. Photos From Iraq Prison Show We Are Our Own Worst Enemy," Washington Post, May 6, 2004:
"But now we have photos that have gone to the ends of the Earth, and painted brilliantly and indelibly, an image of America that could remain with us for years, perhaps decades. An Army investigative report reveals that we have stripped young men (whom we purported to liberate) of their clothing and their dignity; we have forced them to make pyramids of flesh, as if they were children; we have made them masturbate in front of their captors and cameras; forced them to simulate sexual acts; threatened prisoners with rape and sodomized at least one; beaten them; and turned dogs upon them.
"There are now images of men in the Muslim world looking at these images. On the streets of Cairo, men pore over a newspaper. An icon appears on the front page: a hooded man, in a rug-like poncho, standing with his arms out like Christ, wires attached to the hands. He is faceless. This is now the image of the war. In this country, perhaps it will have some competition from the statue of Saddam Hussein being toppled. Everywhere else, everywhere America is hated (and that's a very large part of this globe), the hooded, wired, faceless man of Abu Ghraib is this war's new mascot."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Abu_Ghraib:_Photographic_Evidence_of_Brutality

In reference to the topic... ...The great liberal and sexual harrasser William Jefferson Clinton shot a bunch of missiles and hit three donkeys, six empty tents, an afghan families laundry, and two camels in the butt and said "Boy, I taught them a lesson." At least Bush did something that got their attention; even if it did turn the stomachs of the weak-kneed liberals. Bush at least has balls, Clinton's were just sucked dry by his female employees.

so because Wire.com says it's so you think we have believe them..that's your infallible proof...

I disagree, only fools rush in, wise men choose their battles. Baby shrub is an idiot and he has attempted to make us all idiots with him. I for one will not follow down the idiotic path of a fool.

Prove it wrong but we all know you cannot. If I wre in your position, that being never winning an argument logicly I would jump at the chance to prove me and the article to be inacurate. I will wait all weekend for a responce

My grandad used to say " Don't believe anything you hear or read, and only half of what you see." Surfing the net and believing what you read is a formula to be led off into the world of the insane And the National Enquirer publishes nothing but the truth.

FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) — Army Pfc. Lynndie England, whose smiling poses in photos of detainee abuse at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison made her the face of the scandal, was convicted Monday by a military jury on six of seven counts.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-09-26-england_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

In the latest Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse court martial, former Army Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick has pled guilty under a pretrial agreement to conspiracy, dereliction of duty, maltreatment of detainees, assault, and indecent acts. Military Judge Col. James Pohl, U.S. Army, sentenced Frederick to 10 years confinement, reduced to eight years under Frederick’s pretrial agreement, along with reduction in rank to private, loss of pay and allowances, and dishonorable discharge. While previous convictions of Jeremy Sivits and Armin Cruz were before special courts martial for which the maximum possible confinement was one year, Frederick was tried before a general court martial without such a restriction.

http://www.cdi.org/news/law/abu-ghraib-courts-martial-frederick.cfm

You mean we will not have to read this garbage all weekend because you will be constantly hitting the refresh button on this thread? I appreciate your promise of a focus on this thread to the exclusion of all others.

moral high ground...



then why post?



reality tells a different tale