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Topic: Religious parenting skills...
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Thu 02/28/08 11:15 AM
I love how this was a topic on how religion views of a Parent can effect a child, and then all of this was then turned around to God as in the Christian god being the right one or blahza blahza we so were talking about religion influence on a child from a parent not about what God produces good children or productive people of society nor what scientific believes in Jesus Christ, How and or like why push the real topic aside and deep throat us all with idea of what God is right, God or a God was not the topic the topic was ( religion parenting skills ) not My god is better then ur god or idea of god or lack of god indifferent

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Thu 02/28/08 11:16 AM

I can name alot of scientist who believe that God and science go hand and hand....would you like me too. I think that because of God that we have science.......I think because of God we have alot......and please show me where God, Jesus or the Bible has ever been called or referred to as a theory......hmmmmmmm not going to happen.


Lol...the bible is not a "theory" is a collection of "myths" there is not an atom of proof about it other than in the mind of you believers...
that is why is called faith.

Same happpens with every religion...all over the world.




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Thu 02/28/08 11:21 AM

glasses I was raised in what most people would consider an extremely religious enviroment and I turned out just fine. glasses Its perfectly natural.glasses Its been going on throughout history.glasses It really doesnt have any impact on the psychological development of the child.glasses It only affects the world view of the child.glasses There are no long term ill effects of being raised in a very religious enviroment.glasses


Me too and I feel glad I was. I hope I have raised my children with some of those same teachings. I have to work on being the better me, so I wasn't as good at teaching it, by example.

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Thu 02/28/08 11:27 AM
i was raised in a christan home...and yeah it took part in what i was taught, but at the same time, my parents never forced it on to me..they taught me through it Yet encourged me to find my own person, or if i even wanted my own religion...and look at me, i turned out GREAT!!!!

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Thu 02/28/08 11:32 AM
Einstein was opposed to atheism. Various sources refer to him as a mostly non-practicing Jew, an agnostic, or simply as a person with an idiosyncratic personal worldview.


Albert Einstein was clearly a pantheist in his later years. It really irks me when people try to use Albert Einstein in support of the Christian picture of God.

In Einstein’s own words:

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.” -Albert Einstein

He’s clearly denouncing the idea of a personal God. That denounces both Christianity and Judaism which are basically both founded on the same local folklore.

In Einstein’s own words:

“A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.” - Albert Einstein

He’s clearly denouncing the need to view religion as a moral guide based on sin and salvation.

In Einstein’s own words:

“I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature.” - Albert Einstein

He’s clearly denouncing the idea of a judgmental human-like Godhead that “save souls”.

In Einstein’s own words:

“I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbour such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.” - Albert Einstein

He clearly felt that to believe in such a judgmental Godhead is a belief of “feeble souls [who] harbour such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms”

I feel very much the same way as Albert Einstein, and I also feel that it is a gross insult to the man to use his name to support a picture of God that he clearly did not advocate.

In Einstein’s own words:

“Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being.” - Albert Einstein

He clearly didn’t believe in the power of prayer.
In Einstein’s own words:

“The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism.” - Albert Einstein

Clearly Einstein supports the pantheistic view and believes that religion of the future should “transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology.

So to use Albert Einstein to support Christianity is utterly absurd, and a serious insult to what the man actually believed.

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Thu 02/28/08 11:35 AM

I love how this was a topic on how religion views of a Parent can effect a child, and then all of this was then turned around to God as in the Christian god being the right one or blahza blahza we so were talking about religion influence on a child from a parent not about what God produces good children or productive people of society nor what scientific believes in Jesus Christ, How and or like why push the real topic aside and deep throat us all with idea of what God is right, God or a God was not the topic the topic was ( religion parenting skills ) not My god is better then ur god or idea of god or lack of god indifferent


Well there can be no doubt about the fact that which religion is taught, and how it is taught, can have a huge affect on the child.

Teaching a child a religion where God's love is unconditional is totally different from teachin a child about a God that has extreme conditions on his love and he is very judgmental and can abandon you for a myriad of reasons.

So I don't see how the religion itself can be left out of the picture.

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Thu 02/28/08 03:38 PM


I can name alot of scientist who believe that God and science go hand and hand....would you like me too. I think that because of God that we have science.......I think because of God we have alot......and please show me where God, Jesus or the Bible has ever been called or referred to as a theory......hmmmmmmm not going to happen.


Lol...the bible is not a "theory" is a collection of "myths" there is not an atom of proof about it other than in the mind of you believers...
that is why is called faith.

Same happpens with every religion...all over the world.







For you maybe.....but for me it's the inspired word of God.........so neener neener..laugh laugh :heart:

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Thu 02/28/08 03:39 PM

i was raised in a christan home...and yeah it took part in what i was taught, but at the same time, my parents never forced it on to me..they taught me through it Yet encourged me to find my own person, or if i even wanted my own religion...and look at me, i turned out GREAT!!!!



You look like it Brenda

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Thu 02/28/08 03:45 PM


Famous Scientists Who Believed in God


Is belief in the existence of God irrational? These days, many famous scientists are also strong proponents of atheism. However, in the past, and even today, many scientists believe that God exists and is responsible for what we see in nature. This is a small sampling of scientists who contributed to the development of modern science while believing in God. Although many people believe in a "God of the gaps", these scientists, and still others alive today, believe because of the evidence.

Rich Deem

1. Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible.

2. Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
acon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity." (Of Atheism)

3. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled!

4. Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts.

5. Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous "I think therefore I am". Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching. Rene Descartes and Francis Bacon (1561-1626) are generally regarded as the key figures in the development of scientific methodology. Both had systems in which God was important, and both seem more devout than the average for their era.

6. Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God is essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion on an intelligent and powerful Being."

7. Robert Boyle (1791-1867)
One of the founders and key early members of the Royal Society, Boyle gave his name to "Boyle's Law" for gases, and also wrote an important work on chemistry. Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "By his will he endowed a series of Boyle lectures, or sermons, which still continue, 'for proving the Christian religion against notorious infidels...' As a devout Protestant, Boyle took a special interest in promoting the Christian religion abroad, giving money to translate and publish the New Testament into Irish and Turkish. In 1690 he developed his theological views in The Christian Virtuoso, which he wrote to show that the study of nature was a central religious duty." Boyle wrote against atheists in his day (the notion that atheism is a modern invention is a myth), and was clearly much more devoutly Christian than the average in his era.

8. Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who became one of the greatest scientists of the 19th century. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics, but led to much of our lifestyles today, which depends on them (including computers and telephone lines and, so, web sites). Faraday was a devoutly Christian member of the Sandemanians, which significantly influenced him and strongly affected the way in which he approached and interpreted nature. Originating from Presbyterians, the Sandemanians rejected the idea of state churches, and tried to go back to a New Testament type of Christianity.

9. Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
Mendel was the first to lay the mathematical foundations of genetics, in what came to be called "Mendelianism". He began his research in 1856 (three years before Darwin published his Origin of Species) in the garden of the Monastery in which he was a monk. Mendel was elected Abbot of his Monastery in 1868. His work remained comparatively unknown until the turn of the century, when a new generation of botanists began finding similar results and "rediscovered" him (though their ideas were not identical to his). An interesting point is that the 1860's was notable for formation of the X-Club, which was dedicated to lessening religious influences and propagating an image of "conflict" between science and religion. One sympathizer was Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, whose scientific interest was in genetics (a proponent of eugenics - selective breeding among humans to "improve" the stock). He was writing how the "priestly mind" was not conducive to science while, at around the same time, an Austrian monk was making the breakthrough in genetics. The rediscovery of the work of Mendel came too late to affect Galton's contribution.

10. William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Encyclopedia Britannica says "Maxwell is regarded by most modern physicists as the scientist of the 19th century who had the greatest influence on 20th century physics; he is ranked with Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein for the fundamental nature of his contributions." Lord Kelvin was an Old Earth creationist, who estimated the Earth's age to be somewhere between 20 million and 100 million years, with an upper limit at 500 million years based on cooling rates (a low estimate due to his lack of knowledge about radiogenic heating).

11. Max Planck (1858-1947)
Planck made many contributions to physics, but is best known for quantum theory, which revolutionized our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds. In his 1937 lecture "Religion and Naturwissenschaft," Planck expressed the view that God is everywhere present, and held that "the holiness of the unintelligible Godhead is conveyed by the holiness of symbols." Atheists, he thought, attach too much importance to what are merely symbols. Planck was a churchwarden from 1920 until his death, and believed in an almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God (though not necessarily a personal one). Both science and religion wage a "tireless battle against skepticism and dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition" with the goal "toward God!"

12. Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."




Sweetheart...what the hell are you talking about? Where did you get that (crap) ???
I respect you..but your sources are biased...to say the least...check better, maybe outside of a christian web site,
Geez.

Galileo's championing of Copernicanism was controversial within his lifetime.

The geocentric view had been dominant since the time of Aristotle, and the controversy engendered by Galileo's opposition to this view resulted in the Catholic Church's prohibiting the advocacy of heliocentrism as potentially factual, because that theory had no decisive proof and was contrary to the literal meaning of Scripture.[7]

__because that theory had no decisive proof and was contrary to the literal meaning of Scripture.[7]__





Galileo was eventually forced to recant his heliocentrism and spent the last years of his life under house arrest on orders of the Inquisition.

---forced to recant his heliocentrism and spent the last years of his life under house arrest on orders of the Inquisition.
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Nicolaus Copernicus (February 19, 1473 – May 24, 1543) was a Polish astronomer and the first person to formulate a scientifically based heliocentric cosmology that displaced the Earth from the center of the universe. His epochal book, De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres), is often regarded as the starting point of modern astronomy and the defining epiphany that began the Scientific Revolution.


Francis Bacon, 1st Viscount St Alban (22 January 1561 – 9 April 1626) was an English philosopher, statesman, and essayist. He is also known as a proponent of the scientific revolution. Indeed, according to John Aubrey, his dedication may have brought him into a rare historical group of scientists who were killed by their own experiments.

His works established and popularized an inductive methodology for scientific inquiry, often called the Baconian method or simply, the scientific method. In the context of his time such methods were connected with the occult trends of hermeticism and alchemy[citation needed]. Nevertheless, his demand for a planned procedure of investigating all things natural marked a new turn in the rhetorical and theoretical framework for science, much of which still informs conceptions of proper methodology today.

Albert Einstein & Spinoza's God:
Harmony in the Universe
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.

- Albert Einstein, responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein's question "Do you believe in God?" quoted in: Has Science Found God?, by Victor J Stenger

Albert Einstein was born into a Jewish family and had a lifelong respect for his Jewish heritage. Around the time Einstein was eleven years old he went through an intense religious phase, during which time he followed Jewish religious precepts in detail, including abstaining from eating pork. During this time he composed several songs in honor of God. But during most of his life Einstein was not a practicing Jew.
Einstein was opposed to atheism. Various sources refer to him as a mostly non-practicing Jew, an agnostic, or simply as a person with an idiosyncratic personal worldview.


mostly from Wikipedia.org



My point to it all with the scientist is that they did believe in a Higher power whether you call it God or not. Including the ones you seem to think not.....and just for your info mine was not found on a Christian site as you presumed........

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Thu 02/28/08 03:48 PM

I love how this was a topic on how religion views of a Parent can effect a child, and then all of this was then turned around to God as in the Christian god being the right one or blahza blahza we so were talking about religion influence on a child from a parent not about what God produces good children or productive people of society nor what scientific believes in Jesus Christ, How and or like why push the real topic aside and deep throat us all with idea of what God is right, God or a God was not the topic the topic was ( religion parenting skills ) not My god is better then ur god or idea of god or lack of god indifferent



Well can I not speak of God for me when answering any questions in religion. I can't speak of the pantiest God or any other....only the God I know. And my sweet I don't know how you can ever speak of religion and not have some kind of God to speak of. And for me I never say my God is the only way....It's just the only way for me. You can believe whatever gets you through the day as I have that same right.

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Thu 02/28/08 04:40 PM
Edited by creativesoul on Thu 02/28/08 04:49 PM
Well, this has been quite the interesting read.

Now that I am all caught up, as it were, there are a few people here who have taken it upon themselves to define my intentions and/or implications.

We all speak of that which lives within us. In some way or another, what lives within us is spoken in volumes. Those aforementioned definitions belong to those who defined, not me.

By no means did my OP imply negativity. It clearly spoke of religious beliefs' affects on children. I did not imply that should a child be raised under strict religious conditions, that the child would be at a loss.

I just wondered how religious teachings affect children.

I think I have my answers...

flowerforyou

EDIT:

P.S.

Thank you all...

May we each find peace within ourselves...


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Thu 02/28/08 04:42 PM

Well, this has been quite the interesting read.

Now that I am all caught up, as it were, there are a few people here who have taken it upon themselves to define my intentions and/or implications.

We all speak of that which lives within us. In some way or another, what lives within us is spoken in volumes. Those aforementioned definitions belong to those who defined, not me.

By no means did my OP imply negativity. It clearly spoke of religious beliefs' affects on children. I did not imply that should a child be raised under strict religious conditions, that the child would be at a loss.

I just wondered how religious teachings affect children.

I think I have my answers...

flowerforyou


well golly ding dang I am glad creative.....

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Thu 02/28/08 05:01 PM
Edited by creativesoul on Thu 02/28/08 05:01 PM
After re-thinking my last post, I feel it is a little unfair not to give my own personal opinion on the topic, especially when so many of those who I respect and/or admire have joined in this conversation, as well as some newer faces...

flowerforyou


I believe that parenting skills affect children. Irrespective of choice, all parenting skills affect children. No matter which variety, the reflections are quite apparent.

Children learn what they live, early on, without a choice in the matter.

Let us all be wise enough in order to teach our children how to be wise enough to teach us.

Allow us the knowledge to be not only teachers, but also to be students of our children. I am of the belief, that should a parent be only the teacher, then a teacher we will only be, thereby reducing the measure of that which teaches the ones whom we love, and ourselves.

Live Learn Laugh Love

Peace...

flowerforyou


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Thu 02/28/08 05:04 PM
i say "god Damn IT" a lot when parenting..

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Thu 02/28/08 05:49 PM
Edited by shelltress on Thu 02/28/08 06:19 PM


I love how this was a topic on how religion views of a Parent can effect a child, and then all of this was then turned around to God as in the Christian god being the right one or blahza blahza we so were talking about religion influence on a child from a parent not about what God produces good children or productive people of society nor what scientific believes in Jesus Christ, How and or like why push the real topic aside and deep throat us all with idea of what God is right, God or a God was not the topic the topic was ( religion parenting skills ) not My god is better then ur god or idea of god or lack of god indifferent
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Well can I not speak of God for me when answering any questions in religion. I can't speak of the pantiest God or any other....only the God I know. And my sweet I don't know how you can ever speak of religion and not have some kind of God to speak of. And for me I never say my God is the only way....It's just the only way for me. You can believe whatever gets you through the day as I have that same right.
flowerforyou sweet

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Thu 02/28/08 06:08 PM
Edited by shelltress on Thu 02/28/08 06:18 PM



I love how this was a topic on how religion views of a Parent can effect a child, and then all of this was then turned around to God as in the Christian god being the right one or blahza blahza we so were talking about religion influence on a child from a parent not about what God produces good children or productive people of society nor what scientific believes in Jesus Christ, How and or like why push the real topic aside and deep throat us all with idea of what God is right, God or a God was not the topic the topic was ( religion parenting skills ) not My god is better then ur god or idea of god or lack of god indifferent
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Well can I not speak of God for me when answering any questions in religion. I can't speak of the pantiest God or any other....only the God I know. And my sweet I don't know how you can ever speak of religion and not have some kind of God to speak of. And for me I never say my God is the only way....It's just the only way for me. You can believe whatever gets you through the day as I have that same right.

hummmmm really im not sweet flowerforyou

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Fri 02/29/08 10:27 AM
Take a break and come play the Matchmaking Game #25

http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/87751?page=35

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