thanks but no thanks, i am not into the whole religion or science thing it just gives people more reason to disagree

I fully understand the story Spider.

This is just adds to the contradictions.

The supposedly loving God of the Bible spends more time punishing his followers then loving them.

And beside, if they had decided to stop following him then that very fact would make them heathens just like the people who were supposedly living in the promised land.

It's just one huge contradiction after another in a never-ending stream of contradictions.

Punishment can be done lovingly.

By God punishing those people, the Israelites came out of the desert a stronger people, who trusted God. In other words, the Israelites benefited from being punished.

God loves everyone, even me and you. He loves his people and he uses bad things to grow them closer to him.

If someone did decide to not follow him, hes not going to let them go. He will find a way that will bring them back to him.

Try looking up John 10:28-29. It says it all right there about people giving up on God

Clearly this who story was local folklore about the Israelites. It's not a story about the creator of this universe because too many other people are left out in the cold.

The very Egyptians for example. Where’s their story with this universal God and how they came to abandon God and more importantly how God had came to abandon them!.

Clearly this God of Israeli folklore never abandon them even when they turned against him. So why did this universal God abandon the Egyptians? And when, and why did his universe God abandon the heathens who had settled in the promised land?

Where are their stories of abandonment?

Clearly the Bible is folklore that is focused on a specific group of people, not on a universal creator of this entire universe and all other peoples who are in it!

That’s a contradiction in itself. A universal God who plays favorites!

God doesnt forget about people he loves everyone. Its the Egyptians and all the other religions that forgot about him. Take Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 18 and 19. Those people were wicked. Three men went down to the town to see how wicked the town was. Later two angels came to the town and the people wanted to rape them.

God punishes the wicked and hopes that they learn from their punishments.

But that flies in the face of the fact that he abandon the Egyptians, and the heathens who lived in the promised land, and a myriad of other people.

The stories are simply too focused on the Israelites to be a story about an all-encompassing creator of the universe.

God doesn’t care about heathens! Read the book of Joshua!

It’s ok to slaughter heathens! God doesn’t care about them!

Why do you think Christians burned witches at the stake?

At one point God even told people to stone sinners!

The biblical God abandons those who don't follow him!

It's right there in the book.

And let's not even get into the great flood!

In fact, clearly the Jews were still following this directive in Jesus' day.

They were indeed going to stone a woman to death for her sins and Jesus said, let the man without sin cast the first stone.

Clearly God changed his mind, his personality, his directives to us!

How could that have even been the same deity? To change so drastically?

To me, this is the biggest of all contradictions of the whole story. Jesus is so totally differnet from the God of Abraham that either they are two completely differnet deities, or this supposedly unchanging God underwent a major change in personality.

I feel sorry for the religions that predate Christianity, they're in for it now!.

Tell me something, HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE NEW TESTAMENT?

Everything you are saying is from the Old Testament. You are using what God did in the Old Testament to fuel your argument.
The people of Egypt abandon God. God sent those plagues to punish the Egyptians. He was using them to make the Egyptians realize that their gods dont control everything GOD does.

As for the stoning, God never told the Jews to stone the sinners. It was the 'teachers of the law' or the priests. They had wacked out rules like you couldnt work on the Sabbath that ment you couldnt even cook on the Sabbath. The priests thought it was God's will but it wasnt. It was their ideas.

As for the burning of the witches, the people were Puritans. They thought wearing colors was a sin. God never told the Purtians to burn people it was their religion.


In the New Testament, the stories arent focused on the Isrealites they are focused on the church.

In fact, clearly the Jews were still following this directive in Jesus' day.

They were indeed going to stone a woman to death for her sins and Jesus said, let the man without sin cast the first stone.



God never told the Jews to Stone people, it was the teachers of the law that did.

I know you are going to say what about the martyrs. Yeah God had them die, but it was to show people that they were willing to die for God, because they knew they were going to heaven.

God picked the Israelites for a reason, because Abraham was so loyal to God. God declared that he would be the God of Abraham's decendants. That meant that the Israelites were no longer allowed to pick their own gods. They then had a little less freedom than everyone else. God also told Abraham that all nations could receive salvation through him. The nation of Israel was the birth place of Jesus. Jesus died on the cross and became our savior, thus confirming God's statement to Abraham. The Bible is focused on Israel, but if you read the Bible, you will see that God worked with many nations.

When I read your post here it makes perfect sense to me as a story made up by men who are writing about their own people.

Even when you talk about God working with ‘many nations’, they were all extremely regional to that area.

When I think about humanity and a possible creator of this universe I’m thinking in terms of the whole planet. I’m thinking about the Incas, the Mayans, the American Indians, the Australian Aborigines, the Japanese, the Chinese, the Norsemen and Vikings, the various tribes of Africa etc, etc, etc,.

The biblical picture is just far too narrow to take into account all of these diverse civilations. To believe in the Bible a person would need to believe that all of these other nations purposefully and willing chose to reject the God of this universe in favor of worshiping wickedness.

If you can buy into that more power to you. There’s no way I’m going to buy into that kind of lop-sided picture of the creator of this entire universes. It’s simply far too simplistic. The very nature of that picture suggest that God is extremely limited and can only deal with one group of people at a time.

I’m with Carl Sagan all they way, “The stage is far too big for the plot.”

Dr. Sagan was referring to the entire universe, but even planet earth is too big for this petty plot! It makes God out to be extremely feeble in his power, He can only deal with one group of people?

I have stated this many times. I would be impressed by this religion if God had inspired all people of earth to write the stories of their interactions with this God. The fact that these stories are extremely local to the Middle East is a dead give-away that they are nothing more than local folklore.

There’s no way anyone is going to convince me that all the other people on planet earth rejected this God (and there aren't even any stories in their cultures concerning those rejections). That’s just beyond absurd.

You know what I say, Believe what you want. If you'd rather not believe that God created the universe and sent his son to die on the cross, I am sorry. I know I'm not perfect and I have struggled with my faith, but I know God loves me no matter what. I'd rather be in heaven than be here on Earth when Jesus returns. If you dont choose to accept Christ then, I'M SORRY TO SAY I WONT BE SEEING YOU IN PARAIDSE.


God Bless You Through Out Your Life

No problem. I hope it doesn’t ruin your paradise to know that there are so many decent people suffering in eternal damnation whilst you’re there. Maybe the idea that out-of-sight out-of-mind might help. But overall it won’t be any different than what you already have here on earth. You just won’t have to watch the suffering is the only difference. You’ll be able to ignore it.



I’d would absolutely prefer not believe that. If Jesus died on a cross for my sins he overpaid.

Moreover, to accept that God was nailed to a cross for my sake is to accept picking up the hammer and nailing him there myself. I absolutely decline the offer.

I’ll gladly pay for my own sins. If death is the penalty I’ll gladly die. It’s not a problem. I wouldn’t want anyone else paying for my actions. Not even my very own creator. If he designed me defectively then I’ll gladly just perish and he can try again from scratch with a brand new soul. I wish him the very best of luck in creating a decent world someday.

Tell him that I forgive him. And that if this was his first go at creation I understand. We all make mistakes the first time out.

Tell him also that I thought he was perfect. I thought that the pantheistic picture was a correct picture of the creator of this universe. That may not mean much to you, but I’m sure he’ll be very pleased with the compliment. Overall I think he did an outstanding job. Tell him I'm genuinely sorry that things didn’t work out the way he had planned.

Oh yeah, tell him also that if he ever goes to write any more books he’s always free to resurrect me and I’ll be glad to give him some great tips on how to write effectively.

It might save him from all these headaches the next time around.

Im sorry dude not one Christian is willing to point out that these are not contradictions. So I guess you have finally proven the contradictory nature of the Bible. Nice work.

I did, there is a refutation for all 101 of the "contradictions". I posted a link earlier.

I went to your sight and read about the first one here was it Satan or God and your sight answer to that was.......

yes

Sounds like a contradiction to me.

I choose not to believe in God, but at the same time, should I find that I am wrong, according to the bible, I should be able to ask for forgiveness and be forgiven, or am I reading about a false god that doesn't stick to his word?

The bible is ambiguous and contradictory, no refuting that. People should read it for the story book it is and then there would not be the difficulties in there understanding or comprehension.

It is funny cause I can read the same scriptures that are quoted and I get something completely different then the christians claim is the meaning so is my reasoning wrong? No, I am getting my interpretation from a story book just as all will get their interpretations from the story book.

It is just a book people, not well written either, difficult to decipher. Take it for what it is a manmade book of old stories and move on.