There are important and fundamental differences between socialism and liberalism. When critics attempt to slander liberals by calling them "socialists," liberals should immediately challenge them to define the difference between liberalism and socialism. If they cannot, or continue to claim that they are the same, liberals should then chide them for being novices in political science, unable to define even the most basic terms of the debate.

Socialism means that workers, not private owners, would own and control the means of production: factories, farmland, machinery, and so on. In democratic elections, workers would vote for 1) their supervisors, 2) their representatives to a local and national council of their industry or service, and 3) their representatives to a central congress representing all the industries and services. Socialism has been proposed in many forms, ranging from republics to direct democracies, from centralized state bureaucracies to free market anarchy. Political scientists do not view the "socialism" nominally practiced by the Soviet Union as true socialism -- this was, essentially, a dictatorship over workers by a ruling elite.

By comparison, liberals believe that private owners should own and control the means of production, formulate company policy, and have the right to select their own management team. Liberals would prevent them from abusing their powers through checks and balances like strong labor unions and democratic government http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/ShortFAQ.htm#socialism

Our liberals think the government should control everything, that is socialism. The socialists have hijacked the term liberal to make their program more paletable. But that's not the subject of this thread. This thread was about Bush being a fascist he's not, you loose

There are important and fundamental differences between socialism and liberalism. When critics attempt to slander liberals by calling them "socialists," liberals should immediately challenge them to define the difference between liberalism and socialism. If they cannot, or continue to claim that they are the same, liberals should then chide them for being novices in political science, unable to define even the most basic terms of the debate.

Socialism means that workers, not private owners, would own and control the means of production: factories, farmland, machinery, and so on. In democratic elections, workers would vote for 1) their supervisors, 2) their representatives to a local and national council of their industry or service, and 3) their representatives to a central congress representing all the industries and services. Socialism has been proposed in many forms, ranging from republics to direct democracies, from centralized state bureaucracies to free market anarchy. Political scientists do not view the "socialism" nominally practiced by the Soviet Union as true socialism -- this was, essentially, a dictatorship over workers by a ruling elite.

By comparison, liberals believe that private owners should own and control the means of production, formulate company policy, and have the right to select their own management team. Liberals would prevent them from abusing their powers through checks and balances like strong labor unions and democratic government http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/ShortFAQ.htm#socialism

Regardless of his tin foil usage, for the most part, SMO is right! Just had to throw that in there! Sorry to interupt! Nan

as for hiroshima and nagasaki, do you have a clue as to how many lives, american and japaneese were SAVED BY THE BOMBINGS? WE WERE DESTROYING WHOLE CITIES NIGHTLY BY FIREBOMBING, with as much loss of life as the two atomic targets, the only diff was that now we could do it with one plane instead of thousands. revisionist history dont count. again i say talk to the vets of ww2 for thier opinion. most of them would have died on the invasion beaches of japan without the atom bomb.

liberalism = socialism= communism. thats a cold fact. i dont mind if your a commie, but you better know who your in bed with. look at the communist manifesto for proof. the the ten planks of the communist manifesto are a dead ringer for the liberal platform used today. im not making this up, im just the messanger.