I hate to break this to you but....

I strongly suspect that Mae West was the first female impersonator.

I strongly suspect that Mae West was a man.

1. You never heard much about her personal life
2. She dressed like a man in drag... always.
3. She was very tall and very large...for a woman.
4. She refused any job in Hollywood where she had to were a bathing suit or more revealing clothes.

5. Look at her face. Without makeup, she is totally a man.

"I like restraint.... if it doesn't go too far."

- Mae West

OH MY GOD
YOU DATED MAGNUS???
like... THE Magnus?? or some guy that just took Magnus's name???

ahem... anyways, back to this thread topic. as excited as i am to actually have a chance to talk to someone who actually dated a PUA celebrity, you guys have brought up a very important point that relates Peacock Theory.

Don't be fooled. Learn the tricks. I encourage everyone to keep themselves from being fooled by anything that isn't genuine.

However, the definition of a "PUA" is in question here. Is a PUA someone who tricks women into bed by conveying attractive qualities that he doesn't actually possess, or is he someone who takes time to mature and develop his personality and lifestyle into something genuine and attractive?

There are both kinds of PUAs out there, and I for one most certainly promote the latter type of PUA lifestyle. Mystery and I may have some slight disagreements about this. I don't know for sure - I've never met the guy.

Here's where the peacock comes in. A peacock spreads its large, colorful plumage to attract a female mate. His feathers convey good health and the genuine bravery to make himself vulnerable to predators. The fact that he's alive also demonstrates that he has good enough survival value to not have already been eaten by a lion or something. This is analogous to a "natural" man who is an alpha male.

Let's say a peacock has a tiny tail and dull-colored feathers. He never actually went through the experiences peacock number 1 went through, so he is actually less of an alpha male. He is a beta male. Let's say that this peacock somehow found a way to attach a very large and colorful velcro tail to his butt so that he can attract female attention. When the female gets close enough to see that it's a fake tail, she'll get pissed because he's just a faker. Sure, this little peacock may get laid more from this velcro tail, but the females are going to feel ripped off in some way. This is analogous to the PUAs who just use outer game without regard and commitment to real, long-term change and shifts in inner game.

Let's say there's a third peacock who happens to have human intelligence. This peacock realizes that he will be most happy if he could genuinely become an alpha male. So, over time, he commits to a process of CHANGE where he exercises, learns and adopts the demeanor of a confident male, and teaches himself to adopt the actual mindset of an alpha. I personally have no idea what's going to happen to his tailfeathers because I'm no biologist, but this little peacock is going to be a lot happier in the end... and he's going to get a lot of peacock chicks. This is the true PUA.

As Jeanniebean mentioned, a man must be good in the sack if he's going to demonstrate sexual confidence. If he charms you all the way to bed and you find out he's a minuteman... yeaaahhhhh that ain't good.

Here's an article on sex I wrote a while back (exclusively on JSH):
http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/55077


I challenge your implied claim to enlightenment of what "love" is...and of what "game" is. I bet you amusingly missed the boat on both of them. I know I'm sounding incredibly cocky here, but what do you know? You're just a cat with large, adorable eyes who happens to know how to type on a computer.

Currently I do not have a relationship. But I want to mention that my attitude when I was younger was this:

It does not matter how rich or good looking or how smooth a man is.

If, bottom line, he does not know how to please her in the sexual department, or even if he has very small equipment, or other problems, he will be a one-timer. He may not get another shot at the woman of his dreams even if he gets her laid once.

Also, if he is horrible in the sack, he has to move around a lot where people(women) do not know him. You can bet they will talk about it. Everyone will know.

So while you do want to learn how to approach women, you should, at the same time be learning all about good sexual technique.

Jeannie

I challenge your implied claim to enlightenment of what "love" is...and of what "game" is. I bet you amusingly missed the boat on both of them. I know I'm sounding incredibly cocky here, but what do you know? You're just a cat with large, adorable eyes who happens to know how to type on a computer.

Yeah. To me, pickup is an all-encompassing discipline that covers all the bases so that true transformation can be the ultimate goal.

Tower -> Death -> Judgement

Tarot, anyone?

I read Tarot. In fact I and a friend of mine are currently designing our second deck of cards. They are awesome. We plan to market them next year.

Jeannie

awesome
i bought my first deck a couple months ago and im a tarot newbie

and i had my first reading during mardi gras on the streets of new orleans

I got into the Tarot as an experiment. It is totally amazing to me. I love to do readings.

Jeannie

At the end of the day, while they make a lot of valid points, pick-up artists just annoy me. I can be, admittedly, a somewhat shy and awkward guy. Surprisingly enough, I'm fine with that, and it hasn't ever been a major hindrance to me. I'm bright, I'm sweet, I'm not hard to look at, and I know what I have to offer.

Frankly, the most use any of these "dating manuals" was to me was in helping me avoid the women I didn't want to be dating. Yes, I can do "smooth". Perhaps not quite as convincingly as a guy twice my height with good cheekbones and deep soulfull eyes, but I'm a damn good public speaker, and you'd be surprised how easily many women can be swept off their feet by words alone. I have tried it, and I'm not bad at it.

I also don't do it. Every time I've played the game, I've regretted it. Why? Because I ended up with game-players. Bollocks to that. I prefer to just date the women who want to be around me when I'm acting like myself. Go figure.

Me too. My sister got me this antique Tarot card set... and its addicting.
I love do sit down with friends and do readings. We dont look into it TOO much, but its interesting and insightful for each of us to read our cards, and share what we think it means.