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By Robert Parry
There's a cynical old saying that the victors write the history. CBS's "60 Minutes" demonstrated how that process works on Jan. 27 in airing Scott Pelley's interview with the FBI agent who de-briefed former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. In a world of objective reality, a reporter might say that the United States launched an unprovoked invasion of Iraq on March 19, 2003, under the false pretense that Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, even after Iraq had repeatedly - and accurately - announced that its WMD had been destroyed in the 1990s. On Dec. 7, 2002, Iraq even sent to the United Nations a 12,000-page declaration explaining how its WMD stockpiles had been eliminated. In fall 2002, Hussein's government also allowed teams of U.N. inspectors into Iraq and gave them free rein to examine any site of their choosing. Those inspections only ended in March 2003 when President George W. Bush decided to press ahead with war despite the U.N. Security Council's refusal to authorize the invasion and its desire to give the U.N. inspectors time to finish their work. But none of that reality is part of the history that Americans are supposed to know. The officially sanctioned U.S. account, as embraced by Bush in speech after speech, is that Saddam Hussein "chose war" by defying the U.N. over the WMD issue and by misleading the world into believing that he still possessed these weapons. In line with Bush's version of history, "60 Minutes" correspondent Pelley asked FBI interrogator George Piro why Hussein kept pretending that he had WMD even as U.S. troops massed on Iraq's borders, when a simple announcement that the WMD was gone would have prevented the war. "For a man who drew America into two wars and countless military engagements, we never knew what Saddam Hussein was thinking," Pelley said in introducing the segment on the interrogation of Hussein about his WMD stockpiles. "Why did he choose war with the United States?" The segment never mentions the fact that Hussein's government did disclose that it had eliminated its WMD. Instead Pelley presses Piro on the question of why Hussein was hiding that fact. Piro said Hussein explained to him that "most of the WMD had been destroyed by the U.N. inspectors in the '90s, and those that hadn't been destroyed by the inspectors were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq." "So," Pelley asked, "why keep the secret? Why put your nation at risk, why put your own life at risk to maintain this charade?" After Piro mentioned Hussein's lingering fear of neighboring Iran, Pelley felt he was close to an answer to the mystery: "He believed that he couldn't survive without the perception that he had weapons of mass destruction?" Wanting an Invasion? But, still, Pelley puzzled over why Hussein's continued in his miscalculation. Pelley asked: "As the U.S. marched toward war and we began massing troops on his border, why didn't he stop it then? And say, 'Look, I have no weapons of mass destruction,' I mean, how could he have wanted his country to be invaded?" It's Bush World, with Pelley - like other prominent U.S. news correspondents - ignoring the well-established facts of the run-up to war and following the made-up story first presented by Bush four months after he forced the U.N. inspectors out, when he began claiming that Hussein had never let them in. On July 14, 2003, as the U.S.-led WMD search also was coming up empty, Bush began asserting that it was all Hussein's fault because he had never let the U.N. inspectors in. Bush told reporters: "We gave him [Saddam Hussein] a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power." Facing no challenge from the White House press corps, Bush continued repeating this lie in varied forms over the next four years as part of his public litany for defending the invasion. On Jan. 27, 2004, for example, Bush said, "We went to the United Nations, of course, and got an overwhelming resolution - 1441 - unanimous resolution, that said to Saddam, you must disclose and destroy your weapons programs, which obviously meant the world felt he had such programs. He chose defiance. It was his choice to make, and he did not let us in." As the months and years went by, Bush's lie and its constant retelling took on the color of truth. At a March 21, 2006, news conference, Bush again blamed the war on Hussein's defiance of U.N. demands for unfettered inspections. "I was hoping to solve this [Iraq] problem diplomatically," Bush said. "The world said, 'Disarm, disclose or face serious consequences.' ... We worked to make sure that Saddam Hussein heard the message of the world. And when he chose to deny the inspectors, when he chose not to disclose, then I had the difficult decision to make to remove him. And we did." At a press conference on May 24, 2007, Bush offered a short-hand version, even inviting the journalists to remember the invented history. "As you might remember back then, we tried the diplomatic route: [U.N. Resolution] 1441 was a unanimous vote in the Security Council that said disclose, disarm or face serious consequences. So the choice was his [Hussein's] to make. And he made a choice that has subsequently caused him to lose his life." In the frequent repetition of this claim, Bush never acknowledges the fact that Hussein did comply with Resolution 1441 by declaring accurately that he had disposed of his WMD stockpiles and by permitting U.N. inspectors to examine any site of their choosing. Journalistic Group Think Prominent Washington journalists have even repeated Bush's lie as their own. For instance, in a July 2004 interview, ABC's veteran newsman Ted Koppel used it to explain why he - Koppel - thought the invasion of Iraq was justified. "It did not make logical sense that Saddam Hussein, whose armies had been defeated once before by the United States and the Coalition, would be prepared to lose control over his country if all he had to do was say, 'All right, U.N., come on in, check it out," Koppel told Amy Goodman, host of "Democracy Now." Of course, Hussein did tell the U.N. to "come on in, check it out." But he did so in the real history, not in the faux reality that now governs Washington and pervades America's top news programs, including "60 Minutes." In Pelley's historical formulation, the question is not why did Bush invade Iraq in violation of international law, causing the deaths of nearly 4,000 American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, but rather "How could [Hussein] have wanted his country to be invaded?" This strategy of repeating a "big lie" often enough to make it sound true was famously described in the writings of Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels during World War II. However, given the relatively free U.S. press, many Americans feel they are protected from "big lie" techniques, counting on journalists to call lying politicians to account. But that clearly is no longer the case - and hasn't been for some time. Facing career pressure from well-organized right-wing attack groups, American journalists act more like triangulating politicians, fearful of accusations of "liberal bias" or unpatriotic behavior or softness on terrorism. To have challenged George W. Bush in July 2003 - when he was near the height of his popularity - or even now with his approval ratings at historic lows would carry career dangers that few American reporters want to risk. So, discretion - or in this case the acceptance of a lie as truth - is the better part of valor. (c) 2008 Robert Parry, broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His new book written with two of his sons, Sam and Nat is Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush. http://www.issuesandalibis.org/ |
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I love vanilla flavored coffee too !
Opps wrong topic ..... 
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By Robert Parry There's a cynical old saying that the victors write the history. CBS's "60 Minutes" demonstrated how that process works on Jan. 27 in airing Scott Pelley's interview with the FBI agent who de-briefed former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. In a world of objective reality, a reporter might say that the United States launched an unprovoked invasion of Iraq on March 19, 2003, under the false pretense that Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, even after Iraq had repeatedly - and accurately - announced that its WMD had been destroyed in the 1990s. On Dec. 7, 2002, Iraq even sent to the United Nations a 12,000-page declaration explaining how its WMD stockpiles had been eliminated. In fall 2002, Hussein's government also allowed teams of U.N. inspectors into Iraq and gave them free rein to examine any site of their choosing. Those inspections only ended in March 2003 when President George W. Bush decided to press ahead with war despite the U.N. Security Council's refusal to authorize the invasion and its desire to give the U.N. inspectors time to finish their work. But none of that reality is part of the history that Americans are supposed to know. The officially sanctioned U.S. account, as embraced by Bush in speech after speech, is that Saddam Hussein "chose war" by defying the U.N. over the WMD issue and by misleading the world into believing that he still possessed these weapons. In line with Bush's version of history, "60 Minutes" correspondent Pelley asked FBI interrogator George Piro why Hussein kept pretending that he had WMD even as U.S. troops massed on Iraq's borders, when a simple announcement that the WMD was gone would have prevented the war. "For a man who drew America into two wars and countless military engagements, we never knew what Saddam Hussein was thinking," Pelley said in introducing the segment on the interrogation of Hussein about his WMD stockpiles. "Why did he choose war with the United States?" The segment never mentions the fact that Hussein's government did disclose that it had eliminated its WMD. Instead Pelley presses Piro on the question of why Hussein was hiding that fact. Piro said Hussein explained to him that "most of the WMD had been destroyed by the U.N. inspectors in the '90s, and those that hadn't been destroyed by the inspectors were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq." "So," Pelley asked, "why keep the secret? Why put your nation at risk, why put your own life at risk to maintain this charade?" After Piro mentioned Hussein's lingering fear of neighboring Iran, Pelley felt he was close to an answer to the mystery: "He believed that he couldn't survive without the perception that he had weapons of mass destruction?" Wanting an Invasion? But, still, Pelley puzzled over why Hussein's continued in his miscalculation. Pelley asked: "As the U.S. marched toward war and we began massing troops on his border, why didn't he stop it then? And say, 'Look, I have no weapons of mass destruction,' I mean, how could he have wanted his country to be invaded?" It's Bush World, with Pelley - like other prominent U.S. news correspondents - ignoring the well-established facts of the run-up to war and following the made-up story first presented by Bush four months after he forced the U.N. inspectors out, when he began claiming that Hussein had never let them in. On July 14, 2003, as the U.S.-led WMD search also was coming up empty, Bush began asserting that it was all Hussein's fault because he had never let the U.N. inspectors in. Bush told reporters: "We gave him [Saddam Hussein] a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power." Facing no challenge from the White House press corps, Bush continued repeating this lie in varied forms over the next four years as part of his public litany for defending the invasion. On Jan. 27, 2004, for example, Bush said, "We went to the United Nations, of course, and got an overwhelming resolution - 1441 - unanimous resolution, that said to Saddam, you must disclose and destroy your weapons programs, which obviously meant the world felt he had such programs. He chose defiance. It was his choice to make, and he did not let us in." As the months and years went by, Bush's lie and its constant retelling took on the color of truth. At a March 21, 2006, news conference, Bush again blamed the war on Hussein's defiance of U.N. demands for unfettered inspections. "I was hoping to solve this [Iraq] problem diplomatically," Bush said. "The world said, 'Disarm, disclose or face serious consequences.' ... We worked to make sure that Saddam Hussein heard the message of the world. And when he chose to deny the inspectors, when he chose not to disclose, then I had the difficult decision to make to remove him. And we did." At a press conference on May 24, 2007, Bush offered a short-hand version, even inviting the journalists to remember the invented history. "As you might remember back then, we tried the diplomatic route: [U.N. Resolution] 1441 was a unanimous vote in the Security Council that said disclose, disarm or face serious consequences. So the choice was his [Hussein's] to make. And he made a choice that has subsequently caused him to lose his life." In the frequent repetition of this claim, Bush never acknowledges the fact that Hussein did comply with Resolution 1441 by declaring accurately that he had disposed of his WMD stockpiles and by permitting U.N. inspectors to examine any site of their choosing. Journalistic Group Think Prominent Washington journalists have even repeated Bush's lie as their own. For instance, in a July 2004 interview, ABC's veteran newsman Ted Koppel used it to explain why he - Koppel - thought the invasion of Iraq was justified. "It did not make logical sense that Saddam Hussein, whose armies had been defeated once before by the United States and the Coalition, would be prepared to lose control over his country if all he had to do was say, 'All right, U.N., come on in, check it out," Koppel told Amy Goodman, host of "Democracy Now." Of course, Hussein did tell the U.N. to "come on in, check it out." But he did so in the real history, not in the faux reality that now governs Washington and pervades America's top news programs, including "60 Minutes." In Pelley's historical formulation, the question is not why did Bush invade Iraq in violation of international law, causing the deaths of nearly 4,000 American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, but rather "How could [Hussein] have wanted his country to be invaded?" This strategy of repeating a "big lie" often enough to make it sound true was famously described in the writings of Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels during World War II. However, given the relatively free U.S. press, many Americans feel they are protected from "big lie" techniques, counting on journalists to call lying politicians to account. But that clearly is no longer the case - and hasn't been for some time. Facing career pressure from well-organized right-wing attack groups, American journalists act more like triangulating politicians, fearful of accusations of "liberal bias" or unpatriotic behavior or softness on terrorism. To have challenged George W. Bush in July 2003 - when he was near the height of his popularity - or even now with his approval ratings at historic lows would carry career dangers that few American reporters want to risk. So, discretion - or in this case the acceptance of a lie as truth - is the better part of valor. (c) 2008 Robert Parry, broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His new book written with two of his sons, Sam and Nat is Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush. http://www.issuesandalibis.org/ [/quote I love Bush, I wish he could run for another term |
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uh huh.
id rather have the fight there than here. You? Ever been shot at? Blown up? it aint fun. |
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uh huh. id rather have the fight there than here. You? Ever been shot at? Blown up? it aint fun. I doubt it ....  From the history of the posts' this guy constantly regurgitates on here he looks like he spends a lot of his time surfing the net for conspiracy theories dressed up as one of the Village People ~
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uh huh. id rather have the fight there than here. You? Ever been shot at? Blown up? it aint fun. I doubt it .... From the history of the posts' this guy constantly regurgitates on here he looks like he spends a lot of his time surfing the net for conspiracy theories dressed up as one of the Village People ~
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uh huh. id rather have the fight there than here. You? Ever been shot at? Blown up? it aint fun. I doubt it .... From the history of the posts' this guy constantly regurgitates on here he looks like he spends a lot of his time surfing the net for conspiracy theories dressed up as one of the Village People ~
You need to get out more ... and dance !
Young man, there's no need to feel down. I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground. I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town There's no need to be unhappy. Young man, there's a place you can go. I said, young man, when you're short on your dough. You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find Many ways to have a good time. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. They have everything that you need to enjoy, You can hang out with all the boys ... It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal, You can do whatever you feel ... Young man, are you listening to me? I said, young man, what do you want to be? I said, young man, you can make real your dreams. But you've got to know this one thing! No man does it all by himself. I said, young man, put your pride on the shelf, And just go there, to the Y.M.C.A. I'm sure they can help you today. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. They have everything that you need to enjoy, You can hang out with all the boys ... It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal, You can do whatever you feel ... Young man, I was once in your shoes. I said, I was down and out with the blues. I felt no man cared if I were alive. I felt the whole world was so jive ... That's when someone came up to me, And said, young man, take a walk up the street. It's a place there called the Y.M.C.A. They can start you back on your way. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. They have everything that you need to enjoy, You can hang out with all the boys ... YMCA It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A Young man, young man there's no need to feel down Young man, young man pick yourself off the ground YMCA It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A Young man, young man are you listening to me? Young man, young man what do you wanna be? Y-M-C-A you'll find it at the Y-M-C-A no man, young man does it all by himself young man, young man put your pride on the shelf Y-M-C-A then just go to the Y-M-C-A young man, young man I was once in your shoes young man, young man I said, I was down and out with the blues. Y-M-C-A |
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would it be hard for you to address the topic that has got you so twisted up? can I conclude by your rantings that you approve of the way things are going for america? your happy that each year is worse than the last and the middle class is being decimated by gas prices? Our country bankrupted by a pack of lies?
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British Respect Party MP
George Galloway / "I told the world that Iraq, contrary to your claims, did not have weapons of mass destruction. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to al-Qaeda. told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to the atrocity on 9/11 2001. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that the Iraqi people would resist a British and American invasion of their country and that the fall of Baghdad would not be the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning. / Senator, in everything I said about Iraq, I turned out to be right and you turned out to be wrong, and 100,000 people paid with their lives; 1600 of them American soldiers sent to their deaths on a pack of lies; 15,000 of them wounded, many of them disabled forever on a pack of lies." so its a little old we now have almost 4,000 dead americans and many more cripled for life, gas prices over 3 bucks a gallon toss in the patriot act, Illegal spying on americans, the violations of the Geneva conventions, torture and all the stinnking lies that led to this disaster and you in all your wisdom quote songs........Its no wonder the country is in such a stinking mes |
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MISSIONS ACCOMPLISHED:
3500-plus Americans killed, more than 25,000 seriously wounded / Caused the deaths of more than 600,000 Iraqi civilians, mostly children; many thousands more wounded Increased cancers and birth defects tenfold from depleted uranium exposure (both for Iraqis and coalition forces) // Destroyed Iraqi's infrastructure; museums and hospitals looted, water supplies polluted, electricity and medical care diminished // Destroyed Iraq's economy, causing job loss, hunger, crime, anarchy and more death // htnDestroyed Iraq's security apparatus, opening the floodgates to anarchy and civil war //// Created millions of Iraqi refiugees / Allowed systematic looting of munitions stockpiles after the war, which were later employed against our troops / Drastically diminished Emergency Preparedness at home by depleting National Guard forces \ Increased opium production in Afghanistan from near non-existence to record crop yields / Increased recruitment tenfold for alQaeda and other terrorist groups / Diverted energy and funds from the battle with alQaeda .// Engendered the hatred of most of the world /// Destroyed US credibility / "Lost" $9 billion / Squandered more than $2 trillion /// Turned a record surplus into a record deficit /// Enriched Halliburton, Exxon, Bechtel, the Carlisle Group, etc. /// Fired desperately needed Arab translators because they were gayn htshsnndnnd////fgndgfgndgh Established a precedent for 'pre-emptive' wars for other countries to follow htshsnndnndfgndgfgndgh Made US exempt from the International Criminal Court and the Geneva convention //// Removed fundamental American liberties, including Habeus Corpus and the Bill of Rights /dgsh Destroyed an entire covert CIA network protecting us from weapons of mass destruction htshsnndfgndgh / Made the entire world far, far less safe. |
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uh huh. id rather have the fight there than here. You? Ever been shot at? Blown up? it aint fun. I doubt it .... From the history of the posts' this guy constantly regurgitates on here he looks like he spends a lot of his time surfing the net for conspiracy theories dressed up as one of the Village People ~
You need to get out more ... and dance !
Young man, there's no need to feel down. I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground. I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town There's no need to be unhappy. Young man, there's a place you can go. I said, young man, when you're short on your dough. You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find Many ways to have a good time. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. They have everything that you need to enjoy, You can hang out with all the boys ... It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal, You can do whatever you feel ... Young man, are you listening to me? I said, young man, what do you want to be? I said, young man, you can make real your dreams. But you've got to know this one thing! No man does it all by himself. I said, young man, put your pride on the shelf, And just go there, to the Y.M.C.A. I'm sure they can help you today. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. They have everything that you need to enjoy, You can hang out with all the boys ... It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal, You can do whatever you feel ... Young man, I was once in your shoes. I said, I was down and out with the blues. I felt no man cared if I were alive. I felt the whole world was so jive ... That's when someone came up to me, And said, young man, take a walk up the street. It's a place there called the Y.M.C.A. They can start you back on your way. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. They have everything that you need to enjoy, You can hang out with all the boys ... YMCA It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A Young man, young man there's no need to feel down Young man, young man pick yourself off the ground YMCA It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A Young man, young man are you listening to me? Young man, young man what do you wanna be? Y-M-C-A you'll find it at the Y-M-C-A no man, young man does it all by himself young man, young man put your pride on the shelf Y-M-C-A then just go to the Y-M-C-A young man, young man I was once in your shoes young man, young man I said, I was down and out with the blues. Y-M-C-A Village People! AAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA! God that was funny!!!
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Don't trust mainstream media, check out independant news sources.
I never doubted Iraq had no WMD's. Let me break the war down, when it started in 2002 we engaged Iraq because they wouldn't allow UN inspectors into their bases to see if they had WMD's so we went to war. Let's travel a year or so down the road to about 2003 when the WMD's were still to be located, this is where the war shifted from WMD's to "we need to free Iraq" why? Because the United States is more than happy to be a hero, and because more and more were questioning the motive for the war. Fast forward to current, the nation doesn't agree with the war (if polls are anything near precise which they aren't) but for the viewers of your major news corporations apparently they don't like the war. Next move? Who cares Bush leaves office and puts it behind him and into the hands of the unfortunate soul that takes his place. Politics are heresay, the facts of this sham war is not. |
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"We're told that they didn't find weapons of mass destruction. Well, that's not exactly correct. They did find weapons of mass destruction, namely, the ones that had been sent to Saddam by the United States, Britain, and others through the 1980s. A lot of them were still there. They were under control of U.N. inspectors and were being dismantled. But many were still there. When the U.S. invaded, the inspectors were kicked out, and Rumsfeld and Cheney didn't tell their troops to guard the sites. So the sites were left unguarded, and they were systematically looted. The U.N. inspectors did continue their work by satellite and they identified over 100 sites that were systematically looted, like, not somebody going in and stealing something, but carefully, systematically looted."
- Proffesor Noam Chomsky interview, "Chomsky:'There Is No War on Terror", by Geov Parrish, AlterNet, 14 January 2006 http://www.alternet.org/story/30487 |
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"We have a deranged president. We have despotism. We have no due process."
/ "We are talking about despotism. The USA PATRIOT Act is as despotic as anything Hitler came up with-- --even using much of the same language. The Founding Fathers would have found this to be despotism in spades. And they would have hanged anybody who tried to get this through the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. Hanged." / - Excerpts from "Gore Vidal Delivers Chilling Predictions of Despotism", by Arthur Jones, National Catholic Reporter, 8-2-03 |
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"We have a deranged president. We have despotism. We have no due process." / "We are talking about despotism. The USA PATRIOT Act is as despotic as anything Hitler came up with-- --even using much of the same language. The Founding Fathers would have found this to be despotism in spades. And they would have hanged anybody who tried to get this through the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. Hanged." / - Excerpts from "Gore Vidal Delivers Chilling Predictions of Despotism", by Arthur Jones, National Catholic Reporter, 8-2-03 He's not deranged, he just is not a coward. He does what he thinks is right and for the good of all people, wether he thinks it is going to cost him votes or not. The others wether it is good for the majority, will only do what will get more favor with the majority. Anything to get a vote. That's why the Clin***s are so wishy washy. They are for something one day, and if they find that the majority of the people don't like it (even if it would be better for them)then all of a sudden they are against it. They only say what they think you want to hear. Mr. G.w. Bush is not like that. He is either for it or against it...and the majority is not going to sway his vote. Yeah for George
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uh huh. id rather have the fight there than here. You? Ever been shot at? Blown up? it aint fun. I doubt it .... From the history of the posts' this guy constantly regurgitates on here he looks like he spends a lot of his time surfing the net for conspiracy theories dressed up as one of the Village People ~
You need to get out more ... and dance !
Young man, there's no need to feel down. I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground. I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town There's no need to be unhappy. Young man, there's a place you can go. I said, young man, when you're short on your dough. You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find Many ways to have a good time. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. They have everything that you need to enjoy, You can hang out with all the boys ... It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal, You can do whatever you feel ... Young man, are you listening to me? I said, young man, what do you want to be? I said, young man, you can make real your dreams. But you've got to know this one thing! No man does it all by himself. I said, young man, put your pride on the shelf, And just go there, to the Y.M.C.A. I'm sure they can help you today. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. They have everything that you need to enjoy, You can hang out with all the boys ... It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal, You can do whatever you feel ... Young man, I was once in your shoes. I said, I was down and out with the blues. I felt no man cared if I were alive. I felt the whole world was so jive ... That's when someone came up to me, And said, young man, take a walk up the street. It's a place there called the Y.M.C.A. They can start you back on your way. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. They have everything that you need to enjoy, You can hang out with all the boys ... YMCA It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A Young man, young man there's no need to feel down Young man, young man pick yourself off the ground YMCA It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A Young man, young man are you listening to me? Young man, young man what do you wanna be? Y-M-C-A you'll find it at the Y-M-C-A no man, young man does it all by himself young man, young man put your pride on the shelf Y-M-C-A then just go to the Y-M-C-A young man, young man I was once in your shoes young man, young man I said, I was down and out with the blues. Y-M-C-A Now that is funny...Ha..Ha ..Ha..
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"We have a deranged president. We have despotism. We have no due process." / "We are talking about despotism. The USA PATRIOT Act is as despotic as anything Hitler came up with-- --even using much of the same language. The Founding Fathers would have found this to be despotism in spades. And they would have hanged anybody who tried to get this through the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. Hanged." / - Excerpts from "Gore Vidal Delivers Chilling Predictions of Despotism", by Arthur Jones, National Catholic Reporter, 8-2-03 He's not deranged, he just is not a coward. He does what he thinks is right and for the good of all people, wether he thinks it is going to cost him votes or not. The others wether it is good for the majority, will only do what will get more favor with the majority. Anything to get a vote. That's why the Clin***s are so wishy washy. They are for something one day, and if they find that the majority of the people don't like it (even if it would be better for them)then all of a sudden they are against it. They only say what they think you want to hear. Mr. G.w. Bush is not like that. He is either for it or against it...and the majority is not going to sway his vote. Yeah for George
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But I supose to get back on topic one must discuss the outright lies that have been told to the american people. So are you all saying its ok to lie to achieve an end as long as the end is percieved to be noble? but in our case the end appears to be criminal
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Yeah for Bush
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Yeah for Bush
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