Topic: WHY CANT THE WORLDS RELIGION BE LOVE?
feralcatlady's photo
Thu 01/03/08 04:00 PM
THE WORLD RELIGION IS NOW LOVE




THE END

noway noway

s1owhand's photo
Thu 01/03/08 04:14 PM
the essential problem is that what Ted Bundy "loves" is not exactly what George W. Bush "loves" or what John Lennon "loves" or what Mahatma Ghandi "loves". this is a central religious issue and it can only be resolved once standards are set and how do we set standards? by consensus? that can and does sometimes lead to the Lord of the Flies. by scripture? whose scripture? which interpretation of the scripture? these issues are at the heart of any serious discussion of moral and ethical behavior, religious practice and legal standards. So love is a start but standards need to be set also. religion can be a valuable guide but accomodation must be made for everyone's sincere religious beliefs without placing any single religion above the others. this is why separation of church and state is such a valuable and successful method of reconciliation.

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Sat 01/05/08 07:48 AM

illusion = excuse = love?

Rather simple problem with one of these words in the above equation. Interesting how all the simple problems get really complex or is that the true illusion?


love is not an emotion it's a committment... so you don't fall into love you sign up for love ...so those that want to believe the illusion that love is this uncontrollable emotion is actually mistaking lust for love

Differentkindofwench's photo
Sat 01/05/08 07:58 AM
lust can be controlled.

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Sat 01/05/08 08:21 AM

lust can be controlled.


then let me give you a more accurate defintion of love

love is the degree of stupidity one is willing to endure for a person place or cold beer

Differentkindofwench's photo
Sat 01/05/08 08:31 AM
Again, you describe lust/want not love.

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Sat 01/05/08 08:43 AM

Again, you describe lust/want not love.


isn't love "want"?... or why would one choose to do it ..even if love is this uncontrollable subconscious emotion it only means your subconscious "want" for something ...and since sin is "want" that makes love a sin

feralcatlady's photo
Sat 01/05/08 09:11 AM
I Love you Funches

Differentkindofwench's photo
Sat 01/05/08 09:19 AM
We can dance around this one just as much as the others. Quite frankly, I enjoyed being on your side of that fence for a brief moment. Thank you. Now I have to loudly admit, I honestly don't friggin know. I only know the concept I bought into previously was definitely not love.

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Sat 01/05/08 09:22 AM

I Love you Funches


it takes time to love but not to lust

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Sat 01/05/08 09:28 AM

We can dance around this one just as much as the others. Quite frankly, I enjoyed being on your side of that fence for a brief moment. Thank you. Now I have to loudly admit, I honestly don't friggin know. I only know the concept I bought into previously was definitely not love.


people want to define love as being an uncontrollable emotion so they have an excuse to use when they do something stupid in the name of love

FOR EXAMPLE:

maryjean but he took your wooden leg and pawned it for drug money so why do you stay with him? ......because I love him

feralcatlady's photo
Sat 01/05/08 09:34 AM


I Love you Funches


it takes time to love but not to lust


I don't lust you.......I just Love you......heheheh

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Sat 01/05/08 09:45 AM



I Love you Funches


it takes time to love but not to lust


I don't lust you.......I just Love you......heheheh


that's my point ...you use the word "Love" recklessly

Dragoness's photo
Sat 01/05/08 09:54 AM

Is it really what we do with it or what we expect of it that causes the problems? I've seen love blamed for a lot of stuff that had nothing to do with love, but a lot to do with greed and power over others. Have you ever tried loving another unconditionally? It's an interesting experiment. I found conditions were rampant. The other thing I found interesting is both sides are more than willing to receive unconditional love; it was the giving that threw in the monkey wrench. Granted though, in all fairness, I did not try this experiment with a like-minded person.


You hit the nail on the head here. Unconditional love is almost non-existant. Everyone has perimeters set for who is deserving of their love. Mothers cannot give unconditional love to the children who choose a lifestyle considered a sin in their religion. Fathers too. Unconditional love should be the easiest with a child but even in this arena it cannot be done. Unconditional love, if this is the love related in this topic, is the problem. I have given unconditional love to one man in my life. We are not together now so I feel it was not meant to be but I will say it was the hardest love I ever endured. It also gets more complex with unconditional love being given to a person who will harm you. One sided unconditional love.

In unconditional love you set the person you love free. No stipulations or rules. They are free to do what they please with no guidance from you but full and utter support of their choices. No manipulation, utter acceptance, complete freedom. It doesn't matter what they do, you are there for them. No judgements, no requirements, assuming respect and fidelity are a given, no checking on them, etc.........

If you allow the person you are with this form of freedom they sometimes feel unloved, strangely without specifications or guidance or judgements, they feel you do not care. This has been a problem in my experience with unconditional love.

Differentkindofwench's photo
Sat 01/05/08 10:04 AM
"One-sided unconditional love" is why I gave up on that unconditional. Sorry, tried it. Can't do it.

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Sat 01/05/08 10:14 AM

"One-sided unconditional love" is why I gave up on that unconditional. Sorry, tried it. Can't do it.


this no such thing as unconditional love ...for the fact that someone expect the love to be unconditional means they just applied a condition to it

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Sat 01/05/08 10:26 AM
There is such a thing as unconditional love because it runs thru my family.

But thats all I'm going to say about it because I know people will say 'no they are just using you!" or "no they just hate you!" and I'd rather not have to defend my family from idiots today.

Differentkindofwench's photo
Sat 01/05/08 10:26 AM
grumble grumble grumble thank you funches.

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Sat 01/05/08 11:01 AM

There is such a thing as unconditional love because it runs thru my family.

But thats all I'm going to say about it because I know people will say 'no they are just using you!" or "no they just hate you!" and I'd rather not have to defend my family from idiots today.


for your families "unconditional love" one has to be part of or included into the family... that makes the love "conditional" not unconditional

Differentkindofwench's photo
Sat 01/05/08 11:06 AM

There is such a thing as unconditional love because it runs thru my family.

But thats all I'm going to say about it because I know people will say 'no they are just using you!" or "no they just hate you!" and I'd rather not have to defend my family from idiots today.

No defense needed, Cloudy. I'm actually happy to hear your family exists.